Old vs. New: Spam Zone

and death note

but at least it was anime

 

TRUTH BOMB by mish

 

Except I don't actually remember a ton of people trying to make everything into a discussion about Naruto or Death Note or anything else. Yes, they wore the stupid avatars and sigs. Yes, they posted in short moronic roleplays at times. Yes, they were scum just the same. No, I didn't actually think they had an impact on the forum at large. The obnoxiousness was not of the same nature at all. I also only spent summers and winters here post 2008 and pre 2012 but my point remains.

 

If this is what people liked about old Spamzone then I'm 100% glad they hate the place now

Death Note's so bad though ughhhh

 

honestly I don't see many people pushing their fandoms into posts/threads. I think it's pretty much the same as it's always been. there are threads about the particular ones sometimes (I know I've started a Doctor Who thread or two in here) but I'm pretty sure that happened back whenever too

but whatever, imo it doesn't really matter, don't like the post just scroll on by

hey I like death note :C

 

But wouldn't you much rather watch Boondock Saints-*brick'd*

 

You must not have been in the same spamzone as I was this past year. I've seen a fair number of threads that have had someone pop in make an unnecessary pony/who reference and when it's bad it takes and ruins the thread and when it's good they get shouted down/ignored.

That's one way to look at it. But I think that there should be checks on bad behavior from the community. When someone does something right they need a reward and when they do something wrong they need to be punished. Society degenerates when people can do whatever they want so while it's okay to just roll on by it doesn't help the site improve or grow.

 

actually my attention span for television show tends to be pretty short (I'm not good with the whole multi-season thing UNLESS I AM SUPER INTO THE SHOW), which is why I can't really do anime. I read the Death Note manga.

 

...Question stands

 

IT'S QUICKER TO WATCH A MOVIE THAN READ A MANGA :<

 

I LIKE READING :<

 

I'm willing to argue being ignored is a punishment in itself of sorts. You're getting no attention; no one is taking part in your threads, no one replies to your fandom posts aside from your one friend that is equally as deep in it as you. You will not have earned the admiration of other people you do want to make friends with, and the motive to change and be more well rounded is up to you. It's your choice, the ball is in your court.

This is my take on it, though. I agree that actual punishment is needed in keeping society afloat and things improving, but in regards the the society of KHV, the way people tend to go about this causes far more trouble than it's worth.

There are a few members I could name off the top of my head that were pretty nooby in the past year, but after being confronted by other members ended up being cynical and, to be frank, whiny.

The problem is with the confrontation. People tend to get a bit hostile in their trying to reform other people, whether its calling their taste ****, going through and derailing their threads with memes or just making the person out as a big ole joke. It does inspire change, but the change is to someone who's overly cynical about the Spam Zone and tries to prove that they're just as good, if not better, than the people who tried to rear them in by "outwitting" them in posts that end up being some nonsensical attempt at being intellectual or by being a "hero" and calling everyone out on everything and making smart aleck, passive aggressive posts to said people.

Change should be a natural progression. I think that if you do have a problem with how much someone posts something, you should be free to tell them it's too much or it's a bit annoying or whatever. What some KHV members do in trying to force change by being confrontational about it and mocking the person, coincidentally older ones, only backfires into creating someone who is honestly much more annoying than how they were initially.

tl;dr Ignoring is good, Reward/Punishment is good, the methods Spam Zone uses is not so much

 

You can negatively punish if you want, but you need to be consistent for it to count. If you slip up and respond to any one of them once you have trashed the entire training. There's also that you personally aren't the only one responding/not responding so if someone else responds even once, training goes boom again. So being passive like that would work better in a one on one situation but you need to control group dynamics more. So it's actually going to be horribly ineffective to just ignore them unless they already have some form of respect for you and the people who need changing respect no one worthwhile.

I feel like you're using cynical incorrectly here, because cynical just means that they don't trust people's intentions are pure and doubtful as to how worthwhile activities might be. Call me crazy, but, that's a good thing for someone online. You don't want to trust in people you don't know and you don't want to be so wide eyed and naive as to believe that gushing and being in general a twit is worthwhile. So maybe you mean something else, but I never associate cynicism with whining or bad behavior in general.

The problem is people's reactions to the punishment. If you become entrenched rather than rethinking your own position you're just disagreeing with criticism because you're too mentally weak and incompetent to take people's words, sift through them and understand what they're saying and why they're saying it. Yes, criticism should be detailed and constructive. No, it doesn't have to be to have a good point. So I put the blame on whoever is getting told their taste is shit since it's their job to at least understand that they are not infallible and other people's opinions can be worth more than theirs. It's an ego problem. If you have too much ego you fight. If you don't have too much ego you think it out rationally.

Changing won't happen without cause. If you just wait for someone to change, they'll never change. You have to inspire change for it to happen because people think they're right. People think that whatever they do is in their best interests/is is best, that's why they do it. So they need reinforcement/punishment to actually get anywhere.

I'd also like to point out that positive reinforcement doesn't work if they have no good behaviors at all to begin with, which is actually quite relevant here.

Summarily, people need to respond to criticism better and be more concerned with self improvement.

 

I only say it like its a good thing because we had people post all the time. Half the time is was people not wanting to miss what was happening. I agree it wasn't always the best cause "the interwebs is totes real and what happens here is muh life", but it was good to see threads blow up for hours and hours.

I miss the activity...not necessarily the drama.

 

You must not have been on the forum when Naruto had it's own subsection under Anime and Manga.

Dark times indeed

 

Now that you mention it I do remember. I still can't get bothered over it since I never had to deal with it.

 

Hell at least if the pones and whovians had sections they wouldn't be ruining all my jokes