Kingdom Hearts II Nobody Theory

I had a thought about Nobodies.

What if a human-form Nobody can only be born if someone willingly gives up their heart to the darkness? So far, we only know about the creation of the first 6 Org members, Roxas, and Namine, and that applies to all of them. Ansem/Xehanort, Braig, Dilan, Even, Aeleus, and Ienzo all gave up their hearts to use the power of darkness for science and their personal gain, but did so willingly. Roxas and Namine were created at the same time when Sora willingly gave up his heart to darkness to save Kairi and seal the Door to Darkness.

So, if someone with a strong heart purposely gives up their heart to the darkness, they create a human-form Nobody, and if someone with a strong heart loses their heart from Heartless attacks or corruption, they become a "Lesser" Nobody.

What'cha think?

 

I think losing a heart just makes a nobody and a heartless. Plain and simple.

 

Well, the more darkness the heart has the powerful the heartless and the weaker the nobody. The more light the heart, the more weak the heartless and the more stronger the nobody. See the chain?

More Light
^
Lessel Heartless<--Heart--> Powerful Nobody
!
Powerful Heartless<-- More Darkness--> Lessel Nobody​

 

The light or darkness in your heart only affects your heartless. The strength of your heart is what determines your Nobody. Or, at least, that's what we've been told thus far.

 

Wrong. If that was true, Xenmas would have been the weakest nobody, not the strongest.

Lord Knight Xiron is right about how that works.

Notice Sora, who has a strong heart, but little darkness, has a shadow for a heartless, and Roxas for a nobody.



I also think Xiron is on to something about how a volenteer to darkness becomes a human formed nobody, wheras everyone else becomes a wierd nobody looking nobody. Sorcerers, berzerkers, and samurai are supposed to be extraordinarily powerful. But they still dont appear in thier natural form.

I want to believe you, but the wrench in your whole theory is a line Axel gave to Roxas in Twilight Town. "I'm not going to be turned into a dusk for you."

I think this means the organization has a say in what form the nobody takes. Also, Yen Sid said that the Organization was made of the most powerful nobodies. Most likely if they could choose what form a nobody takes, they would choose the strongest to keep thier true form.

 

True, that. My ideas always have a big pothole in them. This could, though, be a power that only the highest Nobodies have. After all, Xemnas has to have something over the others, or else they could easily turn on him. Hence why Marluxia needed to bring in Sora.

 

I wonder if only the Original members of the organization figured out how to keep thier true forms. Meaning it isnt something that occurs naturally.

The are mentioned as being scientist who studied the heartless. No doubt they also studied nobodies.

Also, side note... who are Ansem's, Braig's, Dilan's, Even's, Aeleus', and Ienzo's respective nobodies.

I know its the first six in the organization, but which ones go to which?

 

Just add an X to find out!

Braig+X= XIGBAR
Dilan+X= XALDIN
Even+X=VEXEN
Aeleus+X=LEXAEUS
Ienzo+X=ZEXION

Ansem does not have a heartless, meaningt that having a nobody. Hes heart was never devoured by darkness...

 

Remember though, Xehanort used Ansem's name, so Ansem+X=Xemnas.

 

*Slaps himself in forhead* Its so simple I missed it. I should have figured it out when I saw the video of Sora's name being changed to Roxas.

How did Axel get his name. Ale? Ela? Lea?

Try to decode the rest of the organizations names. Its harder than you would think.

 

There are a lot of threads about the other Org. members' names...

Ok to the topic... I think that's a good enough theory. After all, as far as we know, the ones who gave up their hearts were strong...

 

It's been stated that to obtain human form as a Nobody, your heart must be strong or have a strong will. Those who are weaker turn into Dusks, so to speak, the weaker their strong will or heart is, the lower they'll be on the Nobody scale. That's why the Organization is also noted to be special, elements and weapons.

That's how Sora and Kairi could create Nobodies of their own too, though special borned, they were still part of them. We know by how many times it is mentioned that Sora has a strong heart, and even if Kairi isn't great in physical strength, she has that within. It doesn't matter whether you have more darkness or light than others, whether you are evil or good, what matters is the strength or strong will of the heart you have that decides whether you keep human form.

And if you see the new FM+ cutscene with Axel and the others in the Throne Room, is not that they can choose what Nobody to be, is that Xemnas has the power (his element is Nothing, and a Nobody is nothing) to turn his own league into Dusks. That's why even Axel said in translation as he became alarmed, with Xemnas' hand glowing as a threat of disobedience, "...a Dusk, huh?", and he agreed to bring down Roxas (which he never could, of course, and he was marked a traitor).

 

Good point.

Also, since you do bring up FM + and Axel in the same point, and this is the nobody theory thread. Do you think Axel got his heart back just before he dies? Xenmas said that in an attempt to awaken Roxas, Axel may have succeeded in awakening himself from being close to Sora.

Not only that, but nobodies have no emotions. Axel seemed to have emotions just before he died, and he even said, "The only time I felt the way I used to was when I was around him, I feel the same way when I'm around you."

Just a theory. Tell me what you think.

 

Is hard to say what Xemnas said, as I don't believe Axel had a heart, he's a normal Nobody like the rest, but his friendship with Roxas drove him to feel more emotions. Nomura explained that Axel's death awakened Roxas from within Sora (which is why you face him in The World That Never Was), I'm guessing the shock of it. And I think what awakened in Axel was to feel like he had a heart, or that he got a true friendship compared to all the other Nobodies and he died satisfied, not completely, but obtained something that the rest didn't bother with.

There's no other hint that Axel has one (and I really doubt it), because he's not special or anything of the sort, and if he did, it would've been mentioned by now.

 

Well, all nobodies are slaves to logic. They all seek what would benefit them the most. They only show emotions when it would benefit them.

Case in point Demyx.

He acted timid and afraid in order to get Sora's gaurd down in the Underworld.

Then he acted friendly and stupid when they met in Hallow Basion, but when he realized that Sora wasnt buying it, he immediatly became cold and emotionless.

Also Xenmas, appeared sorrowful and mornful when he realized he failed, when he realized Sora wasnt buying it, he went back to emotionless.


On the otherhand. Axel seemed to care about Roxas and Sora to an illogical degree. He started getting in trouble with Xemnas. Other members of the organization repeatedly get on him for "acting like he has a heart."

Xemnas even went as far to call him "A compationate fool, who follows an illusion of a relationship he cannot feel."

As if that wasnt enough. Axel then does something highly emotional but illogical. He betrays the organization for friendship. He kidnaps Kairi in an attempt to turn Sora into a Heartless, thus interfearing with the organizations plans of manipulating Sora into killing heartless.

In the organizaion betrayal = death.

He was very familiar with this.

 

I didn't think Demyx faked his emotions (when, I mean, his emotions perhaps aren't real, but he didn't use them to his expense, nothing showed that in any case), he's the childish, carefree type, and even tells Sora that they do have hearts, though that's just probably his opinion. I think he was trying to act friendly because he didn't want to fight, but Sora left him no choice (that, and he couldn't fail the Organization, there was no way to escape it. Don't follow orders, then you know what happens), and I'm guessing Sora shouting at him Nobodies don't have hearts kind of made him realize it for a second. If you see Demyx in other scenes, he acts the same in the bumbling fool way. It isn't a act on his part, that's just the way he is.

For Xemnas, is obvious that he faked it, even in the beginning by the sound of his voice I heard a sarcastic tone under it. Yet, I do think he really did want a heart, but he only believed in rage and hatred as surpreme.

Roxas is special, some even speculate he might have a heart, or half of one (of course, everything will be answered in BBS, or 358/2 Days). Axel said it himself that Roxas made him feel like he had a heart, not that he had one. Roxas was Sora, and that was partly a great reason of why Axel helped him, but he also made him feel the same way, whether it be he gives the vibes as Roxas, or shows friendship, or even that Axel gets some type of emotion or aura driven unto to him by a person with a heart, is yet to be concluded. I can't claim something fact or not like that. But I know Axel doesn't have a heart.

However, friendship plays a part on the whole thing, I'm sure.

The others don't matter. They called him a fool, because they obviously don't believe that they have real emotions (and thus, marked Axel's pursuit as pointless, and why should he continue any further with this "charade"), and is perhaps true, but they also never understood because they never bother with forming a relationship with one another like Roxas and Axel did.

 

Your right I was just speculating. But now you got me thinking about Demyx.

In regards to Demyx... it could have actually be an attempt to make an alliance between Sora and the Organization. He seems to have the friendliest "personality." And may have been designated as an ambasitor of the Organization. And prior to him turning the emotion switch off and saying thos terrifing lines "Silence Traitor!" I actually began to doubt what Yen Sid said and believe that nobodies did have hearts.

After all... would it really be so bad that Sora killed heartless?

But when Sora yelled "Nobodies dont have hearts" Demyx may have realized an alliance was impossible.

 

I know *nods*. Everyone speculates ^^, that's the reason why things are left for us to speculate with. At least, to keep us entertained until the next game comes. Though we might get more replies about this, I think.

 

I think that Sora was very mean to the nobodies. Think about it. What exactly did they do that was wrong.

Anyway to the topic. I think it may be plausible that when a strong willed person gives up their heart freely then they get the human form. It makes more sense than:

strong heart = Human nobdy.

 

YES, EXACTLY!