Next-Gen: PS4 and XB1 Coming to a Store Near You!

The actual conference in many ways was not bad not on that was particularly 'bad' it did its job. What was bad was the side note stuff released after the conference, that was their worst news, that was universally covered as bad stuff, the 24 hours online, extra charge for pre owned, the watching Kinect and so on. However most industry predictors were not that surprised by these decision, it was always a possibility that to tackle sales from pre owned games, hackers and pirated game copies meant Microsoft making plans. What was the worst part is that affected consumers. There should've been an agreement, long ago, by Microsoft and distributors into tackling this problem, paying vendors to mark up pre owned games, and numerous other economic stratagems, not alter the system to the point of Big Brother monitoring, and being over bearing parents.

Microsoft won't die from this, hell, after E3, their stocks WILL go up i can guarantee, when games that will make people want to buy the system are revealed. The strategy isn't actually that bad, start off mediocre, focusing on features that will sell the console to the masses, reveal the bad stuff first off. then a month later, show off the big franchises, exclusivities, announcements and so on that will result in their interest rising. Hardware is rarely what sells a console, even so more now these two systems are the same as each other, pretty much. So it's the battle of the games, the software, and what's your flavour. You like Halo and Fable, you're going to buy the XBOXO. Eventually.

So there you have it, E3 is indeed the make or break for these companies, how exciting.

 

I Know Wii sold more consoles, but I am not sure which one made more money.. one Ps3 is way more expensive than one Wii so I don't know.

As far as the current gen goes, Playstation finaly surpassed Xbox this year at selling so, I don't think they "won" this gen... Hell doing games for Playstation just "feels better" as sony already has an good heritage from PS2, everyone wanted to make games for Playstation (they would like to do to nintendo as well if they supported third parties) ... even with all the problems of the begining the Xbox was way behind Ps3 until the Kinect kick in and gave the Xbox a refresh.. specially comparing to Ps move that is just to expensive for casuals and too boring for hardcore gamers.. Xbox was doing well specially because they always felt like the "noob at gaming industry", they didn't had a big name like sony or nintendo, or their history in gaming, titles (like who cared about the original xbox? They had nothing to begin with) , nor they got a portable console.

So Xbox did well with the few things they got on their side, maybe they got cocky.. at the same time maybe they thought that Sony would put DRM on their game as well (they even did a patent on that matter) , when they end up being the only "bad guys" they were not prepared for it.

 

The problem is Peace...

The majority of the players don't have that much space in a room. The Kinect requires a certain amount of space for them to detect you, from what I heard last, 10 feet. I don't have ten feet of space in my room, I lived in a dorm room for two years and the most you get is ten feet of space in your room. the people who are in wheelchairs can't interact with the Kinect. I have read comments about this already, I have read gamers and huge fans of games from Halo and other series refusing to buy the One because of all the restrictions placed on it. Angry Joe who refused to buy any other system than the 360 is already saying he might not buy the system along with other gaming reviewers/LP'ers saying they might not buy the system because of these changes.

There might be enough people to support the system, but even before One comes out if they don't change anything crosses out a lot of players due to their requirements and standards. Okay, they want to stop piracy and used games, wonderful. This has been around since the first system came out, the dark side of used games thread I already went into depth about why so many people don't like this idea: Microsoft wants people to dance to their tune and suck it up. Gamers don't want to do that, and with the new requirements, forget the Kinect even for a moment, many can't dance that tune because of what Microsoft is doing.

I live in Maine, the Southern edge of it, my mom just called me 30 minutes away from our home on her cell and can barely get any connection with me on her cell, the connection is terrible. Go an hour or two away from where I live, you have no service at all, period. My mom tried to call someone from a rural town and they said the only connection is two feet of space in the middle of a bridge across a river. And they were dead serious, we tried it.

The Internet isn't reliable up here, I lived in a college area northern Maine and during storms I had a terrible time with the Internet. There's times when the power goes out for weeks to months. I know a storm here that knocked out the power for 25 million people and it took two months with six states helping us to recover. It's a part of life, how are you supposed to check in every 24 hours when your power and Internet goes out days at a time? Or are you supposed to just suck it up? And this is in the United States, what about Canada? I know someone who lives in Northern Canada who has the same problems I do if not worse with his Internet, what are they supposed to do?

What about the people who don't have much money? Or the people who are uncertain about a game? We should buy the game new and just realize if we don't like the game we have to keep it? Is that really fair? Or a friend who wants to loan a game to a friend who can't afford one right now? Should he say: "Too bad, you can't pay the fee for the game, suck it up?"

This affects a lot of people. The media thinks it's wonderful, great... They can keep their systems. The gamers who love Halo and Fable and whatever other games come out for the system who meets Microsoft's requirements, great, they can have it.

But what about the rest? What about the ones who can't meet the requirements? I know some people will buy the system, even if I wanted to play Halo, even if I wanted to play Fable, I can't simply because Microsoft has made it impossible with this system. the only thing that will make it possible is if Microsoft changes it themselves to more of the consumer demands. If they do this, even after E3, and they come out with great games...

They have a lot of their fans back. Right now there's a lot of fans upset and angry about this because Microsoft is making their system, just from the reveal and what is said afterwards, completely inaccessible to them because of their standards.[DOUBLEPOST=1370560310][/DOUBLEPOST]I should also mention: If we take this laying down, and I've heard this A TON of times since the conference:

This will continue. It will become the new standard of gaming as much as the Wii Mote and motion sensors. There will be no more lending games to friends, no more used games that we can get/sell, none of this. It will be used on each and every system and the reaction and thought of this is angering a lot of people.

Hell, even STEAM where you can get a game for 40 bucks brand new and can't sell used is changing their policy from what I heard. They're trying to go into the used game market and they have been booming from the start. That alone says something about the used games market.

EDIT: Another interesting note, when the games were bought and people spent a lot of money on games for Atari. I don't know if this was before used games became a seller, it crashed the industry. People no longer bought games because they had no idea if the games were good and when they sucked, they stopped buying.

I'm not saying this will happen now, the market is MUCH more stable than it was back then. But it's an example of what can happen with stuff like this.

 

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Thanks for proving my point about the Internet and used games, Libre.

That still REALLY hurts the market for a lot of "small" retailers. This means I can't sell the games online and get my own profit for it which there's a huge market at Amazon, and the smaller stores most likely can't participate either, and I get MUCH more money and a deal with them than I do with gamestop. I won't go back into the whole: "What I get for a deal" because I'm tired of typing it. :P But it's a thousand times better than gamestop ever will be.

I'm glad they're not doing the account sharing. That's suicide for anyone, the stories I can tell you about people sharing accounts...

Anyway, it looks like Microsoft is loosening up and changing their tune. I keep on hoping their tune changes more and more so it becomes a REAL competitor for the other systems. Right now, it seems out because of how many groups are affected by the restrictions.

 

First Sara: I agree with you that Microsoft polices are abusive, and I probably won't buy their system, however...

There are somethings that you are being misled... "Ok Kinect needs some space, and some disable people can't use it" , I know that the new Kinect needs less space than the previous, but yes space is a good thing when you're jumping around... the internet thing is also b******s** , BUT! That's Ok, it is a choice of the microsoft to afford losing some clients in the light of this new features...

It's like all the evil that Steve Jobs did to cellphones (that most people don't care), first we don't have numbers anymore .. hell we don't have real buttons... what does that mean? **** all people that are blind or has low sight because they can't feel what they're tipping... all cellphones are doing this also so they got no other option but to buy 5+ year old cellphone or expensive blackberries to cover this... Also how about people with big fingers that can't type properly in touchscreen? All them are not the target of the "Steve Job campain" no one complains about it though... why? It's their choice and they can have their way around it... if you buy their system you are saying OK to their rules and limitations. THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM!

The real problem in Xbox one, is that it steals our right of property ... let me explain everything that you buy In Xbox, all the years that you spend paying Xbox live, won't make the games you purchased YOURS, they'll never be yours! Not truely... this may be only a hindrance for starters It is like "Ok.. like Steve Jobs didn't want any blind people messing with his Iphone, Microsoft doesn't want anyone without internet access". That would be OK, because when you bought the Xbox one you agree about that ridiculous thing... but the thing people don't see is that... You have to keep your side of the bargain , Microsoft doesnt.

So what about if someday Xbox Live was off? No single playing for you? Your console will brick.

So if this generation ends, and a new Xbox arises.... what is next? They'll continue to support the servers forever? Like they did with Halo 2? No they won't.. so that means that the second they turn off the servers you got 24 hours to play with your Xbox one than kiss it good buy... you will never be able to replay your games (that you bought) and virtually all the games will be dead (no new game, not possible to trade or sell without live).

People compares this with STEAM polices the diference is however, that STEAM let's you play the games you have without internet conection so even if steam dies out tomorrow all things you have are yours even if it's softwere IT IS YOURS(though you can't sell it), you can't say the same thing about Microsoft.

Basically the Microsoft says "Don't worry, when your internet is down, Xbox will allow you to use the toilet"

 

Joe's going nuts on his Vlog, lolz...

Anyway, he did bring up a good point, the whole system is making you RENT the games out. They even say themselves: "Hey, we can shut down this whole thing at any time and leave you to dry." That's always good to know, you can decided to totally shut down all the games I have and if you don't make it backwards compatible the new system if you even get that far, then people are boned.

Wow, just wow... Microsoft.

I keep on hoping that they keep on getting knocked back and learn. They didn't listen at Windows 8 and it bit them hard with no fixing the OS, (I have it and haven't seen any fixes. Just saying.) And now they're doing the same with the One.

Oh yeah, Microsoft apparently cancelled their post press conference interview. Good way to keep the confidence with the consumers.

I heard a really good point brought up, back a few years ago, Playstation's network was hacked, it hasn't happened with Xbox, but if they do and shut down the servers for a full month, what happens to all the gamers and the One? One person put it as: Now it's just a brick.

EDIT: Oh yeah, you can have ten accounts using the game, but at least ONE family member has to have Gold. So you have to pay sixty dollars a year or maybe even more because now it's REQUIRED for multi-use accounts to play games. I have never used Gold except the month that I got it for free with the system. I liked it, but would I pay sixty dollars a year for it? With the paycheck I get? Hell no.

 

Oh yeah, Sony confirmed PS4 WON'T have the DRM or the used games restriction:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Xb...amers-Raging-Angry-Joe-Fights-Back-55945.html

It's a good article also.

 

I think is funny that people just noticed that sony said since febuary that they would not require DRM, but would left open.. after they said they would do the right thing by the players, but people just noticed this things now...

It however does not change the fact that even though sony will not require DRM, publishers can still aply themselves (like internet activation).. so there is nothing new said by Sony, and we are now as we were before..
The good thing is that sony has many studios so at least their exclusives won't have DRM.

 

**** YES YES YES PS4 OH GOD YES

 

Pretty much what I thought:

Sony: This is our new system, it is totally everything that the Xbox One is forcing you to do. Now watch dancing kittens for two hours and buy our consoles.

And everyone buys their consoles. Yeah, when they go on sale, my wallet is too thin to get it this year. I am getting a 4 and no One.

I saw the trailer for KHIII and the new system.

PS4 won, hands down this round. Probably the war already. I can't wait to get it. Anyone know the price yet?

 

it's not all good news, apparently you need to subscribe to Playstation Plus to play online games on PS4. it's disappointing, but not a deal breaker for me.

 

The price is still too high for me, next year I'm guessing when the deals hit. *sigh* The whole online thing, I really honestly don't do, but if I had to, that's not a huge deal for me to do PS+, though I probably won't do much if any online stuff.

 

Even though i don't play online that much the great thing about PLUS is all the free games you get so it is a great deal..
I would be VERY pleased if ALL GAIKAI was free for Ps plus users. Or maybe most of it.

 

Even before the E3 conference I was leaning more towards PS4. I can't say either of the prices are bad though. From what I remember the PS3 came out originally for at least $500 maybe more. Also, the needing Playstation Plus isn't all that bad. I have it and it's pretty awesome. You get free games, discounts ect. and overall, end up saving money if you get it.

 

Considering you get a free game every month plus discounts its a good deal.

 

It is a good deal for sure, but it's a shame that some people with really tight budgets might not get to play online anymore. Personally, I'm getting PS+, but I still feel for the other peeps.

 

Xbox One will not be available MS is predicting in Asia until late 2014:

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/06/11/microsoft-plots-2014-launch-for-xbox-one-in-asia/

There goes Asia for any sales. Especially since Sony is based there and has the market with Nintendo for a year.