Namine an angel?

When gameplay and story work together, it's great, but there's plenty of gameplay story segregation in KH.
At the end of the day the Genie SUMMON only serves as a way for Sora to have another set of abilities to dmagae enemies. because if they took Genie's powers at face value Sora would face no challenges whatsoever.
Imagine if gameplay applied to cutscenes. Whenever the situation got dicey Sora could just whip out Genie and stop time

 

Yes, and that cheapens the story. Let us not choose to cheapen it further, hm?

Exactly. But the form in which they manifest is now canon, so we have to deal with that. We have to figure out how it slots into the story. You can't just ignore what doesn't fit your hypothesis.

Maybe he doesn't because Genie's spells are random? Hel, he can do it himself, so let's just start with that. For one, it costs MP, which is finite; for two, he's got to have the smarts and the reaction time to think of it. And beyond that, the writers probably just aren't clever enough to use it that way. There's an inconsistency, but that doesn't mean there's no connection. It's just poorly written. You consent to the rules of this poorly written universe in assuming it's worth talking about, as do I; and that means we have to look at everything. Not just what we find convenient.

 

In KH2 Genie can stop time whenever Sora chooses. Additionally, the summons don't come from MP, but rather the drive gauge. Since forms come from the drive gauge, and forms appear in cutscenes, that argument doesn't seem valid.

I just want to point out that I don't have a hypothesis. You replied to me replying to a person who said there were no angels in KH.
Which there are

 

Drive gauge is finite, too. And a form can only appear for so long in that way, and is immediately exhausted afterwards, thus indicating that enough time has passed for it to no longer be available. Those resources don't go on forever.

...There... aren't. Unless I'm missing something?

 

The Drive gauge will never run out during a cutscene, but a summon will never appear if it's being used.
It's clear that KH has a canonical image of stuff like keyblades and summons though. Mushu remembers Sora, even though you never have to unlock or use him, and Sora is shown to be using Oathkeeper in DDD's opening

And yes, Joshua is an angel. Who appears in KH

 

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean there are angels in the KH universe. Joshua and them are cameos, with the excuse that their universe was destroyed so he used his angel powers to take them the are.

He doesn't belong to the KH Universe, he's just there

 

I'm tracing this back over and over and I don't even see what point you're making anymore. At this point I think you're just saying words :v

If he wasn't able to undo what was done to them in their own world except by transmigrating to Traverse Town, then clearly the power of KH exceeds that of their original 'verse, in which case Joshua is far from a typical angel. Unless we are suddenly assuming angels are weak and ineffectual, in which case KH has taken a very dark turn. He is like an angel, up to and including some very overt imagery, but if that's all it takes for there to be angels in KH then there's a form of Heartless that's technically an angel, too. There are clearly other criteria.

 

Yes. I'm saying words. And you are saying words.

Not getting where your rationale is coming from at all though
"There is an angel in KH"
"Well because Joshua can't revive the dead this proves that KH is stronger than him which proves he's not an angel"

Here's the thing. Unlike Leon, Cloud and the rest, this is very much A Joshua from TWEWY. TWEWY deals with alternate universes, but Joshua is still an angel in them. This is still a form of that Joshua, not an original character who shares a design and concept

 

What? Whoa whoa whoa, time out. TWEWY doesn't deal in alternate universes, it deals in alternate dimensions. Big dif. Also, the reason I bring up his powers is because, other than those, there's nothing that says he's an angel that something else in the universe doesn't already have. And those powers aren't enough to differentiate him from others. He is less powerful in KH than he is in TWEWY, where he's essentially a god. He could definitely reverse an erasure. And even there he's never been explicitly stated to be an angel, only Hanekoma has if anyone.

 

uh... tidus can't exist at the same time as shuyan, and shuyan escapes from the den of woe when yuna sended sin, tidus, jecht, and auron, so basicaly the gullwings are in a Drive Form/Dressphere, Tidus went to destiny island instead of traverse town, but his body is distorse along the way (juat like Sora when he goes to pride lands), as for auron, he wasn't affected by anything, has for, there is nothing to chance him

 

I don't think they know each other in the KH world. I mainly said that because just because a character is one thing in the game he comes from doesn't mean he has to be the same in KH

 

YES THEY DO, if you didn't notice, the Gullwings only appears in Hollow Bastian (not in Radian Garden, NOT in Olympus Coliseum/Underworld, in Hollow Bastian) and that changes A WHOLE LOT, i can't eplain to you, unlees you got a IQ of 165 Like me

PS: i mainly said that to make clear for the lost travellers wandering through Kingdom Hearts world, and make perfect sense if you stop by a minute or two

 

Cameo doesn't mean same character. I can put Crono from Chrono trigger in KH and make him older and give him a voice. That doesn't make him the same Crono, that makes him either someone named Crono, or an alternate version of Crono.

And calling someone out and saying you can't explain unless they have a high HQ is rude.

 

Naminé is no angel untill the part i know, she got that powers and stuff, because Kairi got a keyblade and a Pure Heart Fill with Light, and the spell aqua cast on her prevent her to turn become a Heartless, so Naminé got 6x to 8x the power of a Nobody. Nothing too special

 

First off Hollow Bastian IS Radian Garden and second just because you have a IQ of 165 doesn't mean you can't explain something. It's like an adult saying to a kid 'Oh I won't explain because I'm smarter then you because I know more stuff' you just come off as an ass. Besides IQ levels don't go that high?

Also this ^

 

She's just Kairi's nobody right?

 

Well, 'just' might be pushing it. She's the Nobody of Kairi created when her heart was in Sora, whil also sharing space with Ventus' heart, AND Kairi had an ambiguous spell put on her by Aqua.
But fundamentally, she's a Nobody, and Kairi's. So yeah.

Aqua's spell saved Kairi when Radiant Garden fell to darkness. It's the alck of darkness in her heart that caused her to not have a Nobody. Those multipliers were pulled directly out of your ass.

A cameo is still a character. Just a different character, unless stated in the medium itself.
Crono and talking old Crono are still characters in their own right.

They appear in both Radiant Garden and Hollow Bastion, if you really want to pretend those are seperate places.
Not sure what IQ has to do with your comprehension, however, considering IQ is balanced on a scale directed towards academic skills, mostly mathematics.

Tidus and Shuyin are separate people. Tidus was created in the image of Shuyin, but beyond that they aren't linked. Tidus and Jechy were never sent by Yuna, they aren't unsent in the first place and as such cannot be sent. Drive Forms are a separate thing from Dress Spheres, and Dress Spheres only cause clothing to change, they have no effect on the physical form.
People go to Traverse Town when their world is lost to darkness, which is not what you're suggesting happens with Tidus.
And Sora's body changes because of his clothes, the drive form magic, specifically. People's bodies don't just randomly change when they enter a world.
Auron exists on a completely separate plane. He wasn't sent to Olympus Colosseum, Hades summoned him after he died. It can actually be inferred that THIS Auron is the same one from FFX