NOTE FROM IENZO: After speaking to Ienzo, (and yes, I see Plums down there.) I got permission, but if there's more details on what happened, ESPECIALLY the victim, please post a warning and also post in a spoiler tag on what fully happened. Due to not only the disturbing content of what happened, but also for the sake of the victim which is a personal one from me. Thank you. Alright, peeps... I just saw very severely disturbing news, which I won't mention here due to the content. But apparently a teenager on his friends 360 found porn. The results were... Bad. I do blame the parents for lack of supervision, but I also wonder because there's so many parental controls on computers and at least on the Wii, don't know about XBox, and with the Kinect picking things up and mostly misinterpreting what you say, should there be more precautions for online to make sure these things don't happen? EDITED for more accurate info. Found a video commenting about it. Apologies.
Personally, I say it's up to the individual parents, which is why computers don't come with parental controls and you have to buy the software. It should be the same for video game consoles. However, at the end of the day, it was only porn, which, in the grand scheme of things, isn't a big deal. Eventually, the boy will be looking for that stuff because he'll grow a liking to it, anyway. There was a similar case with a Need for Speed game a long time ago.
I also agree it's up to the individual parents, this also depends on the age of the teenager because it's commonly known for teeangers to seek out porn actively for pleasure and to be honest, I don't think that always has to be a bad thing (addiction is when it gets bad or when it severely cheapens their view of women) but you said the consequences here were bad- what sort of bad? I think there should be controls to a certain extent but the problem there is children/teens, when given a limit, will take pleasure from trying to get past it i.e. they will seek out stuff they aren't meant to just because of the barrier when they wouldn't normally. Of course this isn't true for all cases but I definitely don't think the restrictions should be overly strict as there will come a time when the child comes across all of this stuff and has to grow into the world to understand it and there is nothing any parent can do to stop it and they shouldn't. So ultimately, I think it depends on the age of the child and the discretion of the parent.
I would say pretty much: The worst case scenario you can imagine with a case like this and kids. Something that shouldn't be mentioned on a kids site worse-case scenario that I don't even feel comfortable asking the staff about it. If you really want to know, Ienzo, PM me and I'll tell you. I will not do this for a non-staff, especially since the person was a teen. But it was severely disturbing, even the people who are huge gamers were shook about what happened. The kid was at a friends house, to be sure... But the fact the kid got access to it at all and it caused the incident makes you think twice about it. And I know out of a lot of people that kids will get their hands on stuff, hell a friend of mine downloaded 60 gigs of anime porn on his school computer because his parents banned him at home. Then he got banned from school for doing the same thing.
I'd definitely wait for a staff member's response, but I would imagine it'd be fine to post the details publicly in this thread. It can't be any worse than what is discussed in my Sexual Preference and Puberty Discussion Thread threads. I've also got quite a number of other threads in Discussion and Current Events relating to sex or sexual stuff. It's nothing over the top, though, of course, and is within the rules.
I think I know what you're referring to? Because what you said of it sounded familiar and if it is, damn that kid needs to get his head checked out. While parental supervision and control would help curb some of these incidents, like Ienzo said, porn generally isn't a bad thing unless it gets out of hand or if it greatly demeans/skews views on women and/or sex in general for the person. And honestly, even if there were airtight restrictions and precautions online for age restricted material in general, kids and especially teenagers will go find a ways around them if they can't be directly dealt with (how far and active they'll go to do so depends on the person, of course, and that is if they even do so). So basically, porn accessibility at home on computers/consoles is ultimately up to the parents and is also how responsible/smart the kid is about it. Obviously it's harder on consoles, but it doesn't have to be connected to the internet (though most probably are nowadays). But for that case specifically if it is the correct one? Watching porn was just a trigger for something and he knew that what he was doing was wrong. His stated reasons for why he chose that person specifically makes it a bit clear. Some would counter that because he's young and still a kid, his brain isn't fully developed and he didn't completely comprehend what he was watching and so he was just carelessly mimicking it (which I do partly agree with). But then I would argue that, unless his parents did a terrible job at instilling it onto him, people at that age usually have grown a general sense of morality and know what's socially right and wrong especially if that 'what' happens to be, well, you know, and obviously this kid didn't have that. Yes, it was experimentation, but like in science, if you're going to use a human subject you better make damn sure they know what you're going to do and you have their willing consent at the very least. Also left details vague for reason being that I don't know if I should even though I am personally okay with it. Basically out of respect for Sara.
Yeah, it sounds like the same one from the way you're wording it. And I respect that, I also am worried about some kid finding it, I know there's a lot of adults, but I always go in with the mentality: "This is a kids site also." I dunno, I also bring in the line of doubt that the Kinect picks up every single word, and 90% of the time mistranslates it. (watch VGA One launch, that's the DEFINITION of Kinect's microphone.) And yes, the parents were partly at fault with not making sure the kid doesn't have access, but I still feel slightly that in a way, the Internet is getting so big and huge out there and has so many access points now, there should be some safeguards for the kids to not find this stuff. But that's just my opinion.
It is something bad, but it something that might happen.. people do not acknowledge that child are capable of sex, and are sexual beings since they are babies they have curiosity about sex, my little cousin was discovered doing the old "you show me yours, I show you mine" with a little friend of hers.. the problem isn't the porno per se.. the child might as well see his parents doing sex and be curious about it. The thing is: 1) We need more sexual education classes earlier.. it is amazing how much we tolarete violence , but not "love" 2) We need to teach our BOYS, not to rape, and not only our GIRLS not to be raped (don't wear this, do not use make up,don't go out at night etc..). We live in one society that values men using women, and the objectification makes boys thinks that they are intitled to use women as they want... what is wrong. --- And yet, I think a 13 year boy should know somethings about sex , he should know better by now... i've seen porn before that age and never did I rape anybody.
NOTE FROM IENZO: After speaking to Ienzo, (and yes, I see Plums down there.) I got permission, but if there's more details on what happened, ESPECIALLY the victim, please post a warning and also post in a spoiler tag on what fully happened. Due to not only the disturbing content of what happened, but also for the sake of the victim which is a personal one from me. Thank you. It wasn't only that, the teen who did it also said: "Well.... She won't remember it." Kids have to KNOW this **** doesn't go away... No matter what age/circumstance/drug. I have actually seen something like this, but in different circumstances, and no matter what the age, it will affect that person from the rest of their lives. It's not just something to laugh off or blow off. Not everyone is going to do what this kid did later on in life, but it's something to think about. I have actually always been a strong advocate for kids not to play M-rated games, same for online sites. Hence one of the reasons probably a lot of members see me so hesitant mentioning this stuff on the site due to the fact I see this site as one kids can and will come on and stumble on this. (Which is probably going to be another discussion at some point in this forum and irrelevant to this thread.) The reason why is because I don't think kids should see adult stuff until they reach adulthood. I know realistically they would, hell, I got the "talk" at six years old and every time I asked. But it's something that I think kids should not see until they're at the age where they are seen as someone who can make their own choices.
I'm not a parent, but, personally, the sooner children learn (so whether you're a kid or a teenager), the better. I've known about porn since age 14 and, like @Menos Grande, I'm not some wanted rapist.
I agree... I actually learned again at a very young age about sex and what could happen with it. I am the opposite side of the gender for most statistics. (Sorry guys, but seriously, I'm too sick to google it, but most rapes are done by men. MOST.) But I was also never taught it was my fault what happened, except once. It wasn't as big as rape, but I was working at a store by myself when a Chinese guy came over from next door and watched me for three hours outside the window. The store was fairly busy and I didn't fully notice him. He came in when it was empty and practically dragged me into a hug from behind the counter and hung around despite me feeling very uncomfortable. Another customer came in and saw how freaked out I was and refused to leave when he started to come back in the store when she was getting ready to go. Despite all the commotion, he only left when someone called the cops even when I was freaking out. When the cops came, they said he was "misunderstood" and that he was just: "from another country" and: "didn't understand that his romantic advances looking for a wife was wrong." The police report said, despite my full details, it was my fault, he was being friendly and I was "feeling uncomfortable". Apparently they never checked two doors down where girls working at Subway were having the same problem with the man. He was following them home in his car and they called their parents to deal with it. The landlord finally heard about it after my incident and raised hell, but it's an unfortunate thing that happens to a lot of women. It's not fully about the Internet, but also teaching the kids about what's right and wrong.
Hey guys, sorry to interrupt discussion really quick, but if the conversation is steering towards an indepth one about sexual violence, it'd be much appreciated if you could put it in a spoiler with a warning in case some people are triggered by it. Thank ya very much. I read up on this and it was really, really awful. The family and the daughter are recovering from it, and no news about the boy though. While it's probably a pipe dream considering the US, I do hope that they are at the very least guiding him in why his actions were wrong and the effects that can come from them. His relationship with his family, especially his sister, will not be able to be the same. But I at least hope that over time, they'll be able to reconcile if even a little and both come out to a better place in the end. Spoiler: possible trigger warnings for sexual violence I agree with the sentiments, but I disagree on the point with teaching only boys not to rape. In the US, while there is a higher degree of sexual violence initiated against women, in an article exploring the faults of one recent study, the figure is more of a 60/40 split between male initiators and female ones, respectively. Boys are, in general, a bit more susceptible to becoming initiators of sexual violence due to the continued objectification of women in media & such, but people in general should be taught not to rape. But like I said, otherwise agreed. Spoiler: same as above I always take problem with that statistic because the definition of rape used by it is "forced oral/vaginal/**** penetration by a penis, fingers, or an object". In said recent study the article I linked to discussed above, it completely dismisses "being forced to penetrate" as rape, and instead classifies it as an entirely separate form of sexual violence. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf (Page 84) Which is, to be frank, bullshit. Why is forced penetration classified as rape while someone being forced to penetrate not rape? Is rape not taught as unwanted and unconsented sexual activity? Why does government funded surveys into the subject separate forced penetration and being forced to penetrate when they are both unconsented and unwanted sexual activity (literal reversals of each other at that!)? It's no wonder why rape is reported to be overwhelmingly mostly done by men; it's because the means of measuring and forming statistics on the very subject excludes male victims by putting them under the general umbrella of sexual violence when it should be classified as rape. More men do commit acts of sexual violence than women, but not nearly as much as some people, and apparently the US government itself, report.
Spoiler: NSFW I always thought the reason most rape was initiated by males was because they have penises and can not only do more damage, but they physically have more control over their female or male victims because they can penetrate them, while females can't exactly naturally penetrate males or females without the use of a "toy," so how exactly do they gain control? (I realize the answer would most likely border on the rules, so you can just send me a personal conversation or instant message me on Skype.) I'm sure this is probably a bad way to view it, but it's just a theory I've come up with over the years. Spoiler: NSFW Aren't they both the same thing, basically? Or are you talking in the sense of threats, for example? Like, there are three people: Person A (male), Person B (male), and Person C (female). Person B, who would never rape anyone, is in a predicament because he is told by Person A, a criminal, that if he doesn't rape Person C, his friend, he will kill her. Even though the situation would be "understandable" and Person B did not want to do it at all, but had no choice, he would still obviously be charged for rape. Is that what you're saying?
