McCain or Obama?

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Which Candidate do you think will do a better job?

  1. Obama

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  2. McCain

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  1. Repliku Chaser

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    Guys, let's all remember that this is a debate so let's keep out some diggers and jabs at people's integrity or parents etc, okay? It's a hot debate because obviously the country is very divided on the issue of what things are wanted. Also, people in other countries are affected by this too so they voice opinions. Let's keep it nice and if you feel kind of heated, take a breather and come back. I think we should all respect each other regardless of what candidate is the one someone prefers more. We can point out our opinions on the candidates and what it means to us, but let's not point fingers at others in the room etc.

    V Peace dudes.
     
  2. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    Well from the sounds of that story, it seems to me that the man who supported it was one of those really crazy right wings. The views of a supporter don't necessarily reflect the views of the candidate they support.
     
  3. Sanya Orussia’s 586th Fighter Regiment

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    He was born in Conneticut, but he was the Governor of Texas... that's what I meant when I said "from". xD
     
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    Lol. When that draft comes, I'll tell ya, there is gonna be a lot of problems. I can gaurentee that I am not gonna be goin out for that draft. I don't care if it is against the law, but unless we are in the position to go to war, and we have a juste cause, there is no way I'm headen out there.

    Exsactly. There are indeed alternatives to this whole future of war, but, it is highly unlikely, since there are so many people who have no problem with going to war.....

    yes, that is the point of campaigning, but, there is a difference. Obama is going against McCain's polocies, and attacking those, unlike McCain he is going after Obama not only because of polocies, but also, personal issues, and that is where things go to far!

    Well no, you don't, but, that doesn't mean you have to be some old man to run the country the right way either.

    Listen. If someone is voting for him all because of race, then I honostly can rank them the same as those voting with Obama (not to offend, but until this is over, let us face facts. Republicans and democrats will not be getting along, and it will most likely be awhile before we can). But still though. When was the last time you actually saw Obama using his race to get him votes? He is black. Simple as that. That does not mean that he is using to collect votes, or else he would be focusing on that

    That is because those who havn't already switched over aren't stupid enough to buy some cheap trick that McCain was pulling. Besides, I'm happy that people who have switched over to McCains side have switched over now, because all they obviously wanted was to have a woman for president.

    Examples please, because I would love to hear some real good ones right now.

    But we shouldn't have invested those billions in the first dam place. Not only that, but, if their little surplus is goin just as well as you say, then face facts, as soon as that surplus hits max, we'll have just as much money as they do. Gas used to be $1.00 and something cents. Now it is somewhere around $4.00 . Even milk has gone up to prices which are incredibly unreasonable. YOU CAN'T HELP OTHERS UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOURSELF!

    Like I said before. Give me a few examples of how exsactly Obama has been playing dirty.
     
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    That's news to me, lol.

    I'm Catholic anyways so... not much of an issue for me. Though you have to admit, the whole "Not being able to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school" thing is pretty silly just because it says 'One Nation, under God'. The money we use at schools says "In God we Trust", so who the hell cares if the word "God" is in it?

    However if you mean prayer of specific religion... sure, I can see why that's an issue.
     
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    You don't seem to have examples of McCain doing it, therefore I don't think I need to present evidence against Obama. If you can find some for Obama, I'll look around, because I remember a few ads by Obama that certainly weren't all political.

    And as for the race thing, it isn't Obama's fault obviously, but I'm sure he's aware of the fact that his race does help.

    You also claim that we can't help others until we can help ourselves, which is odd considering that the (highly-Democratic) Congress just decided to send a lot of money to the Republic of Georgia...

    Yea the whole complaining about the word "God" is a load of bull.
     
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    About the abortion, you are completely right. The option should be completely available for people who have gone through that kind of trauma.

    The gay rights, I think that gay people should be able to marry eachother, and have just as many rights as many rights as everyone else. In all honosty, because of the area that I've grown up in, gay people do seem to weird me out, and it is gonna be a long time before I can get out of it, because where I live, most gay people are practicly stoned. Either way though, I know for a fact that they have the right to marry the same gender, becuase they are human beings to, and that is just rediculous. Even people who don't like gay people should atleast be able to agree that they have the right to get married, and to do whatever anyone else can do.

    As for Religion, I can perfectly agree with you on that as well
     
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    Maybe not Obama himself, but the Democratic National Commite has had it's laughs playing ads of McCain hugging Bush.
     
  9. Deathsight44 Kingdom Keeper

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    Oh please. Not for nothing, but honostly, how can you say that our country does not need change?

    I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I will repeat. Have you even taken a good look at gas prices? That is f'en unforgivable, and it is because we are wasten all the gas on war vehicles
     
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    I care. It completely contridicts the Seperation of Church and State. It just shows that this is a Christian nation. First off, the Pledge of Allegiance was originally:
    I pledge alliegance
    To the flag
    Of the Untied states of America
    And to the Republic for which it stands
    One Nation
    Inidivisible
    With Liberty and Justice for All.

    The "Under God" part was forced in by Congress. And since not everybody believes in a single God or at all, this shoudn't be used.
     
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    Look, everyone who's complaining about gay rights is missing the bigger picture. It's a huge example that separation of church and state is not being followed as it should be. The church should determine who can get married since it's a church procedure, even though it has legal benefits. I'm all for gays being able to marry, but ultimately the church should choose.
     
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    I hate to say it, but I don't think that is as possible as ya think. We have to face facts. This is one of the most important debates in history. Can you really hold back people from getting edgy towards eachother? I mean, I can try and control myself since I know I can get really pissed some times, but, I'm just sayen. You can't really blame the people on here if things get to far.
     
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    xD Same here. I have a rather short temper and if I say anything pissy, it's nothing personal.
     
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    Definatly has a point there....
     
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    But it should be followed. The church no longer has the political power it once had, and it should stay that way. It is not up to the church to say ether a human being should have rights or not. It is not their job. It's the governements.
     
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    Actually if you read the platform you'd see the plans that could be initiated and I think they make some good sense. Many people keep spreading that there is no design or plan and that's just wrong. McCain and Obama both have steady platforms and it's not hard to see what either wants.

    It is time that people actually read for what each candidate actually stands for instead of reading propaganda. I'm for Obama for the following reasons mainly.
    - Keep religion out of schools with prayers etc.
    - Keep science being taught to school children and don't permit in Creationism as a forced science teaching.
    - Gay marriage and gay rights.
    - Women's rights of ProChoice. Whether people want one thing or another, the rights of prochoice outweigh easily the rights of ProLife which is forced.
    - Less lobbyist control.
    - Health care that is better.
    - Job focus in our country and housing assistance.
    - Dealing with our national debt.
    - Having someone who's not a cowboy in office to get us in any more wars of stupidity ahead of time.
    - someone who's also more amiable to people overseas to repair damaged relations.
    - better dealings with illegal immigrants and assistance on helping people who are 'legal' to have an easier time with rules, regulations and costs.


    Both are Americans. Both are not bad people. Both aren't the greatest either. It's grown old to hear all the crap spun out about them when it just doesn't matter in the end at all. I'm just amazed so many Americans fall for this media bull but then again, I'm not and it disappoints me. However, the platforms in themselves are what makes a president the choice or not and it gets old for people to say that McCain or Obama don't know what they are doing etc. They -do- know what they represent and are doing. So pick on what you believe in more would be my greatest suggestion. There's so much hype over who to choose but it all does really come down to this.
     
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    The marriage aspect has nothing to do with rights. The church has it's own policies with weddings. The government should have no control over this matter. It's a very slippery slope.
     
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    But whoever said they have to get married in a church? What about gay Athiests, or gay Jews, or gay Hindus? The church should decide if they should be allowed to marry or not? I don't think so.
     
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    DUDE, DO YOU WATCH ANY OF HIS CAMPAIGN ADDS? DO YOU EVEN WATCH THE NEWS? NOT ONE ADD ON TV HAVE I SEEN WHERE OBAMA PULLS ANY DIRTY TRICKS! McCain on the other hand has plenty of campaign adds. but unless you can provide proof (which there really isn't any of), then I doubt that you can hold anything against Obama saying that. But I am sure that there are a lot of people who can agree with me on those adds being low blows. Look em up on youtube. Just look up McCain campaign add. I'm sure that will show plenty of evidence (I aint gonna actually look it up myself, but that is because I've got better things to do). Of course, you obviously don't have any proof anyways

    Of course he is aware. Doesn't mean he is using it to his advantage specificly

    Just because I am democrat doesn't mean I agree with everything that the head democrats do. Not for nothen, but I don't personally agree with the situation. We honostly should be in a position where we can help others while not totally draining us of rescources, before we do anything.....

    But that isn't Obama, now is it.
     
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    I have to say I'm for ProLife to an extent, since the baby is it's own individual life that is not a part of the mother. However in provable rape cases, life-threatening situations for the mother, and when the baby hasn't developed past four weeks or so, abortion should be entirely legal.

    xD
     
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