McCain or Obama?

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Which Candidate do you think will do a better job?

  1. Obama

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  2. McCain

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  1. Repliku Chaser

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    What Joe Biden said that Palin keeps repeating was said when he was a candidate for presidency. He dropped out and hasn't said it since and really it wasn't that bad a thing to say. She's twisting things and I consider a woman that sits there and stirs up crowds of morons to say things like 'kill him', 'terrorist!', 'Arab!', 'Hussein!', etc while she smiles about it is someone that needs to shut up. Palin also is a person that has spoken in rallies that support an organization that wants Alaska to secede from the United States. She also had a preacher that she comments is the reason she was able to become governor who in Africa had people chase out a woman saying she was a witch from a town and he's made money off people very wrongfully using religion in an evil way.

    McCain tried recently to get Obama to apologize and repudiate a statement from a person that -he- was apparently friends with because he said that Palin and McCain are stirring up people to violence and it is reminiscent of what Wallace did back in the 60s. Well, Obama doesn't owe crap to McCain. McCain also said he would not have been so 'rude' if Obama would have done what he said and had 'town hall' like meetings straight on as he wanted. I'm sorry, but the guy is loopy and no one has to play by -his rules- or apologize for what others do.

    As for Ayers, the guy is not a 'current' terrorist and has for years been a member of Chicago education. Obama did not put him in power there. And the guy hasn't done crap wrong since back in the day. I'd consider that Palin who hangs around with radical groups including one where she's spoken out at meetings and her husband was a member of them in Alaska that wishes to secede from the U.S. and has done some serious crimes to show their efforts is more 'paling around' with terrorists than Obama is.

    In the end, the KKK style rallies of Palin and McCain sicken me. Palin won't shut up and stirs up things with asking 'who is Obama' when we should be asking who she is. We've had 2 years now to know Obama and this woman who is pretty damn scary comes out of nowhere saying whatever to incite people. When a shaky woman says 'He's an Arab' and McCain says no he's not and the crowd boos at this... you know something is wrong.

    I used to like McCain and I hope he loses so that he can do what he was good at which is being a senator that could cross aisles with others. He's gone so ultra right wing it is pathetic which before this he was not so bad. He used to be a delight to listen to. He's seriously become an old angry man that grits his teeth because he wants power and doesn't get how an upstart like Obama could take it away from him.

    As for the Biden remark... I would trust Obama, who has been called all sorts of names by the McCain group, defaced, threatened etc, has managed to stay cool in the face of a helluva lot of adversity. If he can take this all and still sit there and smile and say neutral to kind things about McCain and Palin while they support lynch mobs nearly, though McCain has tried to lessen it somewhat, all I can say is he's cool under pressure and I trust him to make more rational decisions than a guy who can't keep his tongue in his mouth and grits his teeth. Obama isn't perfect, but to me he's the way better candidate that shows he will not only work on home policies but even the world seems to like him better, which would aid us in repairing damages done by Bush. McCain, had he tried to run his campaign as Reagan did, which reached out to both Reps and Dems, he'd have faired far better. He never should have tried to cater to the far right wingers that are idiots or the evangelicals. Big mistake.
     
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    well of course that's bullshit, anyone with common sense would know that

    this is what he promised: One year ago, he made a promise. He pledged to accept public financing and to work with the Republican nominee to ensure that they both operated within those limits. Which didn't happen btw.

    anyways, he DID break a promise, whether or not it was in his best interest doesn't change the fact that he did it. he said he would stay within a limit of the public financing and he didn't do it. that would be breaking a promise. and breaking promises is a good reason to question a person's credibility.

    EDIT: oh and what does "PR" stand for? i was just wondering.....

    you're right about that, it didn't help them, it sounded like Joe Biden was a fortune teller when he said that.

    that's why i don't like McCain either, he's a little too right wing for comfort. i would say it's more of Sarah Palin appealing to those super right wing people but McCain isn't someone i trust either.
     
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    I'd vote for Obama. Mostly because I found a magazine about interviews with the candidates about the war. My father's a veteran so I was concerned. I flipped to the page. The reason that I want Obama is because he's plannin gon taking the soldiers out of Iraq, which would be good, since my family going out to war has caused some difficulties. McCain wants to stay in war, and win. But, the war's is NOT going to end. If we keep going out to war, the US is going to start becoming and empire, and all empires die off.

    I wouldn't mind if we had Obama for president and McCain as vice. Since then we'd be able to have someone to help us in time of war, and someone to help the lower and middle class in time of peace. Only one thing is going to stop Obama and that's racism. And almost everybody in my class says that if Obama wins the election, he's going to be shot. That's a possiblity, but I give the people of America more credit than that.
     
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    oh today i found an ad from McCain that takes Joe Biden's comments about mettle out of context. i couldn't find a video on it but it basically says Joe Biden's thing where he said there will be a crisis within 6 months, and at the end it says "let's stop that from happening".
     
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    Repliku...that was beautiful XD It was a little brutal, but that's what made it funny: it takes a lot to get you even a little bit pissed and have it show.

    He isn't actually planning to pull troops out right away. I hear Republicans always say that "what Obama wants to do is wave a white flag", but it's not true at all. He says that he wants to end the war in a "responsible way." I don't understand how anyone could object to ending it responsibly. He does want to get everyone back as soon as possible, but I believe that is in about a year or a bit more. I think that's a very good plan, since there's no reason for us to stay in Iraq past that. Afer all, the Iraqis are capable people, so we shouldn't have to babysit them forever. What disturbs me is that McCain's plan has absolutely no timeline. He's even said that the war may take 100 years:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

    Also, McCain suffers from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) from the time that he was tortured. It's sad, and I don't think his symptoms are too severe, but at the same time, it doesn't exactly help.
     
  6. Dredica SNES was the best.

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    Sorry for speaking my mind ;P
     
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    Considering McCain/Palin rallies lead to cries of "Obama is a terrorist" and "No Muslims!" and "Keep the White House White!", I don't see how you can say that "people aren't racist", or that race isn't a factor working against Obama as much as you say it's working for him.

    I mean, look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwjlUMoLVvA

    This is what people think.

    And frankly, you're making a ridiculous generalization that "Obama is winning because black people will vote for him because he's black". The Black population in America is 10% of the population, so even if your heinous generalization were true, and every single Black person in the entire United States voted for him simply because of his Race, more then 40% of the rest of America would have to agree with his policies and have faith in him as the right person to lead the country for him to have the majority vote.

    Not to mention that I hardly think the Electoral College is thinking "I gotta help a brotha out, yo"
     
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    please don't say that

    quite a few white people are voting for him as well. but even if what you say is true, reasons like that are probably why our votes aren't DIRECTLY counted towards who wins but the only real votes that matter are delegates (i think that's what they're called, i dont' remember)
     
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    We haven't been saying that the majority of America is racist, but there's no denying that the McCain/Palin rallies of late have appealed to the worst of America. They've said things that are only based about 1% in truth, and used it as a justification for racists (who are probably not paying any attention to the issues) not to vote for Obama. Questioning whether or not he has terrorist connections is nothing less than fear mongering. Some people are still trying to tie him to Muslims, even though he isn't one. That however, I think is the most absurd point of all: Muslims, not Al-Qaeda, which suggests that all Muslims are terrorists. This is what we meant, and if you've been watching the news lately, you've probably seen it yourself.

    It's also true that many blacks are voting for Obama because of his race, which is unfortunate that they aren't paying attention to the issues, but the Obama campaign hasn't been feeding into it at all. Either way, it's mostly because of his political party. I don't remember the exact statistics, but I think that something like 90% or more of African Americans are registered Democrats.

    Besides, even if all African Americans supported Obama (which they don't), they only make up 12% of the American population, while whites are 68% of the population. So, it's completely unfair to say that Obama is winning just because of his race. At this point, the McCain campaign isn't appealing to many past the far right, despite their claims of being Mavericks, and I don't mind saying that they are making fools of themselves.

    EDIT: We're not blaming you for speaking your mind, we're just talking about it, since it's the discussion area.

    And EvilMan, I think this was the ad you were talking about:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgbS-vy9_Sk
     
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    yea that was the ad! thanks for finding it for me. while it DOES take Biden's words out of context, Biden DID kinda spoon feed that ad to McCain. that's probably the only somewhat good advertisement i've seen from McCain. i have to say that Obama's ads are generally MUCH better. and remember Hillary Clinton's stupid ad saying something like "who do you want to answer the phone at night? someone with experience?" and her ad there was just dumb because it didn't make sense and i was thinking "what this supposed to make me wna vote for her?".
     
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    Yeah, he totally did XD I love Biden for all of his blatent remarks, but this wasn't a good thing to say.

    Still, I wouldn't consider it a good ad. I mean, yeah, it was kind of effective, but it was just another example of complete fear mongering. The "It doesn't have to happen" sounded like an indirect threat.
     
  12. Dredica SNES was the best.

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    Isn't it true that the president has only like 1/3 control over the goverment or something? And with that being said, McCain, nor Obama, could do much of the things they are promising American citizens. I only heard that the president is only intitled 1/3 control over the goverment, so please don't bash me if that's not correct.
     
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    My family is voting for Obama. I'm voting for Obama, but not for that reason you are thinking. The reason I'm voting for Obama is because he will lower people's taxes and end the war in Iraq. Plus I'm democratic so I would have to vote for him anyway.
     
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    Oh please most people pick Obama right off the bat, and a lot of people don't even know his politics at all. Same thing with George Bush, most people just hate George Bush because the media, and everyone else does too. Politics these days is just a popularity contest a lot of the time. Same with life in general.

    Plus if you ask a lot of veterans, who are actually IN the war, not just in another country against it, they'll tell you we need to finish what we started.
     
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    I totally agree.

    I doubt he'll be able to do all that he is telling us that he can do.
     
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    Thank you, and you were not wrong for expressing your opinion before
     
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    The thing is, this goes both ways; I'd say that most voters, on both sides, vote without looking into the issues.

    I've said before that Obama plans on finishing the war in a responsible way. In other words, finishing what we started, and in a reasonable amount of time.

    You're right in the sense that we don't know for sure if the candidates will be able to deliver. However, if we went on the assumption that they can't get it done, then there would be no point in listening to what they have to say in the first place. Obama's plans do make sense, and they are possible if you look at them, but we don't know if he, or John McCain for that matter, will keep their promises. Although, I'd say that Obama has a better chance of implementing his ideas, since the senate has a good chance of containing more than 50% Democrats, as much as 60/100.
     
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    i'd like to touch on what your saying for abit in saying that neither candidates have the compleat real answer. obama wishes to with draw forces and leave iraq to iraq aka the terrorists whom will regain controll of the contry and restart what was going befor. in fact the people of iraq will be murdered and punnished in so manny ways for their hospility towards us. not to mention the fact this is just like the last time we went to iraq and we've seen two outcomes from that event that certainly will occer again ,a dictator in contol of the people and 9/11. even still im not saying mccains all right either, it is certainly important that we eliminate or atleast force terrorism into a condition where the people of iraq need not feer them. in just pulling out this wouldnt help anything because we need to stay and eliminate the leaders of terrorism, create a better system of politics then we have and most importantly of all protect the many families threatened by terrorists everyday. besides were already winning anyway and theres not much more to do.the us cassulty rate is far lower thenit was for sure so maby we could decrease the amount of troops sent into open warfare, increase the guard on towns, establish a better government system where the people can be more independent rather then under the rule of a crual of potentialy crual leader, and finnish this right.
     
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    *waves hands vigorously* Don't ignore me ;_;

    I talked about Obama's policy with the Iraq war twice, but people keep on contradicting it without explaining why what I said is wrong. He said it at the third Presidential Debate, and possible the others.
     
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    Agreed so much.

    Again agreed.

    Obama has way too much media bias on his side. It's really unfair since we used to rely on the media to be a trustworthy source of information.
     
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