McCain or Obama?

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Which Candidate do you think will do a better job?

  1. Obama

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  2. McCain

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  1. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    What? How did I imply McCain's death? Anyway, I'm glad you brought it up, because I would like to dismiss that argument for good. The man has been active his entire life, whether he was playing sports or serving in the military. He's going to live to 85 at least. He's 72 now. I'm sure you an do the math, he will live through 8 years. And if Palin became president, I can firmly say I would be confident in her. We survived Bush, after all.

    Emphasis on the "little" part. It would hardly affect their income at all, and all the while you're taking money out of the market and putting it into the government. So yea, we may lower the national debt, which is always a good thing, but our market will remain weak, since most of the middle and lower class people would just put the extra money into savings instead of buying things, much like those $5,000 stimulus checks from a few months back that didn't help the economy at all.
     
  2. Explode Who?!

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    There will be no negative impact on the market if the rich are willing to make some cutbacks. I don't think that it's right to make the people closest to the bottom make the biggest sacrifices, especially when they are risking losing their homes. Our highest proirity should be ensuring the safety of the Middle Class.

    Additionally, you made the point that the Middle Class would the save extra money, rather than spend it. Well I'm not so sure that the rich would be very adament about buying stocks with their extra money (since the stock market is pretty much just a way to lose money, right now), nor would they buy things from the kinds of vendors that actually need the most help. The solution to the stock market problem is the $1 trillion+ bailout, which supposedly will help if carried out correctly.

    Plus, the additional money the government recieves can go into funding important programs for alternative energy, health care, etc. which can seriously help both the market and the common man.
     
  3. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    Just saying in general.
    -Possibly yes, but then again how would this nation succeed with war.
    Millions of dollars is going to the war as we speak. If that keeps going then
    we will really be in a recession. McCain wants that to keep going on until
    we get the oil that's not even ours to begin with.
     
  4. blacknumbers Hollow Bastion Committee

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    I am voting for mcain.

    Because...

    1. I do not believe in just serving the rich

    2. Obama even said himself in the past that he wasn't ready to be the leader of our nation

    3. Obama hasn't servered in senate for a whole year (considering that the senate only goes to the senate place or w/e you call it half the year)

    4. Obama's ideas of "a perfect church" scare me, because its just racist to white people.
     
  5. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    I'm korean, and that has nothing to do with me. ~Sadly, though
    I don't think he meant it to be racist at all.
     
  6. Mirai King's Apprentice

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    1. What? He wants the rich to pay a little bit more taxes, not serve them.
    2. When was this?
    3. He's been in it for two years.
    4. If you're talking about the fact that Jeremiah Wright is racist, then I can assure you that Obama does not support his views.
     
  7. Hopefulwishes Traverse Town Homebody

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    i vote obama!
     
  8. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    just wna make some corrections

    3. 3 Years actually
    4. That is questionable because Obama lied about never hearing anything controversial and would've left the church if he did, but a few days later he stated he DID hear stuff like that. So it's up in the air. I wouldn't care that much if he were racist because I dont' know a single person who can honestly say that they've never judged anyone based on race, it's more on the lying that I'm upset about. That really destroyed his credibility for me.
     
  9. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    That is his whole plan for the rich like McCain to pay off taxes
    that middle class and below can't afford. That's Obama's main goal
    and to also stop the war.
     
  10. TheMuffinMan Banned

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    Do what math? The math that you made up? Just because the man is active doesn't mean he's incapable of getting sick, him going out and god damn jogging isn't going to negate his severe heart and skin conditions.

    What kind of logic is this? We "survived" Bush, so that means it's A-OK to keep doing the same ****, or have someone even less qualified in office? We shouldn't have to survive a god damn President, or grit our teeth and bear it, we should have a President that can make us prosper. And in case you didn't notice, us surviving Bush has put the country and economy in the largest debt it's seen in it's entire existence.

    This statement is taken out of context. When asked whether he thought he was prepare to run the country, Obama said that he wasn't, but that the truth is no one is ever really ready to lead an entire country, and anyone that tells you they are is lying. There's a difference between being ready, and simply being the best person for the job.
     
  11. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    I agree. Even though we survived with Bush doesn't mean that
    we made it. Seeing the obvious, I doubt that McCain will
    change. He voted for Bush 90% of the time.

    Thus, even though we do have someone new that's coming in
    the office can be really good for us.
     
  12. Hopefulwishes Traverse Town Homebody

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    I DIFINETLY wont be able to afford ANY of the taxes if thing keep goind on like this....:sweat:
     
  13. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    I agree.
    Thus if your parents have good jobs
    then you have no need to worry, I should
    say. Thus middle class is in between the
    border line, so I would guess that Obama
    wants to raise the taxes on middle class to,
    which is dumb./~
     
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    Do we have to vote for any? xD
    Sorry, but I wanted Hilary Clinton. My second choice would be Obama.
     
  15. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    Well if you under the age of 18, then
    you should know that you can't vote.
    Xd~
    Hilary Clinton was during that from the
    start. To pretend that she was really
    going to go in the office, In on of her
    interviews she said.
    Quote:

    "I actually want Obama to win, that
    is why I dropped out the race".

    To me, that sounds Ironic for a new
    runner.
     
  16. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    McCain's fundamental difference from Bush is that he will reduce government spending, which was Bush's main problem in this area. This change alone will McCain's plan much more stable and likely to succeed than Bush's.
     
  17. Reisen Twilight Town Denizen

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    Actually it won't.
    He will raise the tax rates for middle and low classes
    that can't afford it. That doesn't
    sound like a good plan for everyone
    to work with. Alot of ppl will be foreclosed and
    lose there houses. I don't want McCain as President:
     
  18. EvilMan_89 Code Master

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    i don't know if this is old news or not but read this

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/campbell.brown.obama/

    that goes back to the thing i said about him having no credibility.

    EDIT: also did anyone hear what Joe Biden said recently? i know what he meant but it defintely didn't sound right.
     
  19. Explode Who?!

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    It's true, it does say something about his credibility; it is a bit unfair, but I think it's better that he raised more money than promised, rather than less XD

    Yeah, I know what you're talking about. The whole "the world will test Obama if he is elected President" thing. Even though it probably is true, this is an instance where Biden was too honest >_>; Of course, this could work with either candidate, since it's happened with a lot of Presidents during their first year in office, regaurdless of how well-known they were beforehand. Still, I have no idea why he bothered bringing this up; talking about it doesn't benefit them at all.
     
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    Saying that he has "no credibility" is complete bullshit, considering it's all complete PR spin. Contradictions happen when you're being analyzed 24/7 for over a year straight, that doesn't mean you're a devious person who lies through his teeth constantly to get ahead. Obama said he would take public funding in moderation with the Republican Campaign, under the assumption that the public funding he would be receiving would be of normal levels. How was Obama to know a year ago that the American people would donate more to his campaign then any other presidential candidate in history? Obama received astronomical public funding and donations, and he's supposed to not spend that money promoting his campaign? He's supposed to take peoples money, who donated so that they could help him win, and say "Yeah, I might as well stockpile your money and not spend any more then John McCain is using to attack me". The article uses a bullshit term like "He's rolling in money", when this is the exact opposite case, because if he was doing what the person asks and putting a cap on his campaign spending, he would literally be sitting on piles of money that he's choosing to not spend.

    And on the note of Obama in specific having "no credibility" because of things like this, what do you even thing of the opposing camp, who adamantly makes up lies about Obama's policies and dig up quotes and associates of his from 5-10 years ago, just so that they could fabricate]/b] stupid negative PR buzz about him and call him un-American and a god damn Terrorist?
     
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