Make up the story plot for kh3 (Group Effort)

I can't see Blaze controlling the heartless. Blaze is a master of darkness, He believes that to use darkness you must walk alongside it without being consumed by it. I also don't see him being the power hungry type of guy.

As for Turpis dieing early in the game, we need him to be Kairi's opponent right before World Ends At Sunset gets destroyed. This is because we don't want final boss battles to be redundant as you play through with each character. Oriens should be the one who dies while trying to protect Kairi from Xehanort/Mystery keyblader. Xehanort should realize that Kairi could put a stop to his plans, therefore he tries to eliminate her.

However, Seeing that Turpis is supposed to be one of the two keybladers that Kairi faces off, perhaps it should be Turpis that kills Oriens instead. I think that Turpis should become increasingly obsessed with power as the game progresses. Remember, that by the time TWTNW gets destroyed, Turpis and Eclipse join forces with Xehanort.

As for Eclipse being an anti-hero, nope, not at all. Eclipse's methods indirectly causes despair to others. Eclipse will even destroy entire worlds if she deems it necessary. Sometime near the beginning of the game, Riku should stop Eclipse from destroying a world. It will be because of this that she and Riku become enemies. Eclipse is very arrogant. In her mind, nobody has the right to stop her from doing what she wants. She will be Riku's opponent before World Ends At Sunset gets destroyed.

Moving back to Oriens' death. It should be a sad one. It should happen at TWTNW. Kairi should be fighting a never ending swarm of heartless. Eventually, a swarm of Desouls being controlled by either Turpis or Xehanort should appear (I preferably would like Turpis to be controlling one them because Xehanort hasn't revealed himself just yet. He could have already joined Xehanort).

The desouls annihilate the heartless and then set their eyes on Kairi. Kairi desperately fights them, but there is too many. She should be about to be defeated, but then suddenly Kairi should unleash some sort of new power. It should be a power that Identifies her as the keyblader of purity.

The power should wipe out the the desouls. This would mean that the villain, who brought the desouls to where Kairi is, would be the only one left there. Kairi's burst of power should have tired her out so that she doesn't have much more strength left to fight. The villain should give Kairi an intrigued look.

This is what would happen. Note: to make things easier, I'm going to just use Turpis as the villain.

Turpis: "Well, well. Who would have thought that someone like you are the keyblader of purity. You could ruin everything if you remain alive. Such a shame; what a beautiful girl."

*Turpis summons his keyblade and walks up to Kairi. Kairi, who has collapsed from exhaustion, tries to get on her feet but falls back to the ground.

Namine's voice: "Get up! We can't give up! We promised Sora and Roxas that we would be with them every day!"
Kairi (to herself): "I can't get up. It looks like that's all I got."

*Kairi looks up at Turpis with eyes that are half closed.*

Kairi (to herself): "Maybe they were right. Maybe I should have stayed back on the island."

*Turpis stops in front of Kairi and raises his Keyblade ready to strike.*

Kairi (to herself): "I'm sorry Sora. It looks like I can't keep my promise."

*A tear rolls down Kairi's cheek.*

Turpis: "Die."

*Kairi closes her eyes as Turpis swings his Keyblade down at her. The screen flashes white. Kairi opens her eyes to find Oriens in front of her. He used his own keyblade to block Turpis' blow. Oriens grabs hold of Turpis' neck with his free hand and slams Turpis against a nearby wall.*

Kairi: "Oriens, how did you..."

Oriens: "What are you doing just sitting there?! Were you seriously going to let him just kill you?"

Kairi: "I..."

Oriens: "Kairi, the fate of this universe depends on your power. You're not allowed to die on me, Kairi! I won't let you; not while I still have breath! Kairi,"

*Oriens, turns his head to look at Kairi.*

Oriens: "Get up and run!"

*Suddenly Turpis knees Oriens in the stomach, causing Oriens to lose his grip on Turpis' neck. The force of the blow knocks Oriens into a wall behind him. Turpis coughs and sputters as he catches his breath. He looks up at Oriens*

Turpis: "You. I thought I killed you!"

Oriens: "I had a little help from a boy named Sora. Kind kid, though way too trusting. He helped get me here in time to stop you. He's here right now, fighting his way to the top of the castle."

*Kairi's eyes open wide as she looks over at Oriens. A glimmer of hope appears in her eyes.*

Kairi: "Sora! Sora's here!"

Oriens: "Yes, now will you get going?! I'll handle this guy, so don't worry about me."

*Using the little strength that Kairi has left, Kairi manages to get back on her feet. She smiles at Oriens and nods. She then turns around begins running off.*

Turpis: "NO! I won't let you get away!"

*Turpis spears his Keyblade towards Kairi. Kairi turns around in time to see Oriens jumping in the way and getting impaled by the keyblade. Kairi's eyes open in shock.*

Oriens: "K...Kairi.....don't die."

*The Keyblade in Oriens chest disappears and Oriens falls to the ground dead. Kairi looks down at her dead friend in disbelief. Suddenly Kairi feels a new surge of strength in her. She begins to shake violently.*

Kairi: "You....you monster! I....I..............I WON'T LET YOU GET AWAY WITH THIS!"

*Kairi transforms into a new form. She stares down at Turpis with determination in her eyes. A boss battle begins.*


The above boss battle would be the first time Kairi fights Turpis.

 

Who said early? He should die near the end, like Luxord or Saix, one of the last boss battles but still leaves enough space at the end of the game for story to develop.

 

I've always picture turpis seeing the desouls as a way to rid the worlds of heartless. Perhaps in his mind, Desouls can be controlled. Desouls listen and obey their master unlike Heartless who eventually turn on those with hearts who try to control them.

This is just an idea for a scene here on some world before Oriens dies. Oriens and turpis are confronting each other. turpis is wielding Desouls.

*Oriens looks at Turpis with a stern look.*

Oriens: "Why?! Why are you helping these creatures. These creatures will bring about the universe's destruction!"

Turpis: "You're wrong! These creatures can be controlled! They are the solution to ridding the worlds of heartless once and for all! I massed produced these creatures for that very reason. They listen and obey. We can keep their numbers to a minimal."

Oriens: "Are you out of your mind? Look around Turpis. These creatures are already out of control. They are attacking innocent people! I cannot allow that!"

Turpis: "So what if we loose a person here or there? It's all for the greater good."

Oriens: "They must be stopped!"

Turpis: "They must be CONTROLLED!"
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You get the basic idea here. That's how I've always viewed Turpis.

As for the how the Keybladers keyblades are different form Previous keyblades, there really shouldn't be a difference here. Anyone can wield a keyblade if they have a strong heart. Anyone. However, not everyone can be a keyblade master. KMs have keychains on their keyblades while normal Keybladers don't. Keyblades are keyblades. The only thing that varies in keyblades is their abilities.

Again, I really don't agree with the whole Blaze with heartless thing. It's just not him in my eyes. Controlling heartless has always been symbolic for a person who is being consumed by darkness. I think he's all for saving the worlds, not helping the heartless. plus, I don't see him as the type of guy to use minions. but that's me. We'll have to see what the others think.

 

Yea, but when i first pictured him, I imagined him as making Emblem Desouls AFTER Xehanort made Purebreed (or pureblood?) Desouls in order to battle Xehanort and his Desoul army.

This seems like it needs a little revision. I like the argument but I think it can be worded better. Whoever fleshes out Oriens can work with me, like a play lol

Well I sitll believe they should be different as to separate them from the regular Keybladers.
Unless we work out the backstory for each Keyblader so we know where they were while SRK was battling Heartlesses and such.

Since we're disagreeing here still, I think we should forget about Blaze for now and work on our own keybladers.
Speaking of which, Turpis is now ambidextrious, I think that'll work

And now the new draft of Corruption Keyblades.
I made 6 versions, THREE are different keyblades like we've been doing so far and the other THREE are more keyblade-like but are based off the three diff. ones I did.
All dark spots are holes in the blades

A: It's the skull one I made earlier that was favorited by Pezz and Starseeker with a few revisions, I trust you can still see the skull?
The red lines point to the actual blade (as in knife/sword/actual steel blade not blunt like keyblades have been) which means it has some kind of wrap around it
B: It's my least favorite, Starseeker said he liked it but it seems too...Marluxia-like. It's still based on the Desoul Emblem if you can see it.
C: After Pezz redrew my skull keyblade, I came up with a skinner version. There's still a skull but pole is longer and has two handles. The green lines point to both handles, one has the skull's teeth around it and one's above it.
It can be wielded with both hands or just one (hence I decided to make Turpis ambidextrious) The holes on the blades are supposed to be hearts (5 in total) they alternate directions. This one is pretty good and actually looks like an Organization weapon.
The stars on the negative spaces of the keyblades all came out as the top part of a heart(Like Sora's keyblade's negative space is a crown)(with A being most of the heart instead) but C is more of a distorted heart and that was a complete accident.

Now the more keybladish ones

D:It's based of A, i took Starseekers (i think) idea and made a spear/halberd. The Desoul emblem is the teeth of the blade
E: It's based of B, still has the Desoul emblem and the negative space at the end is, yet again, a heart.
F: To keep up with the double sided Axe idea, and losely based on C. The anarchy symbol is the teeth

 

lilbueno, good ideas with the symbols and negative space. This is something we could use.

My design for Blaze's Keyblade could perhaps usea negative space for the actual "key part" (the thing that makes a Keyblade different compared to a plain stick, like WTTD's blue-ish wing).

Does anyone know a symbol for Order? I remade the hitting part of Rin's Keyblade (didn't scan it though), but now I'm interested by negative space.



Now, about the story.
First, Turpis being te creator of Emblem Desouls. He needs a backstory for that. You started one, lilbueno, so you could make it real, and explain why Turpis is so strong. If he created Emblem Desouls, he must be pretty ressourceful. You did mention something about Xehanort continuing Turpis' researhc, did you?
About Blaze, controlling or not controlling Heartless... I'm neutral with that, but let's see something about it. Saix once said "The Heartless ally with whoever's strongest." This is the only thing I could think of off the bat ; hopefully it will help. Will a few Heartless see Blaze as strong enough to join him? Depends, once again, on his back story.
Following Saix's words, the Heartless should technically go with Turpis rather than Blaze, since he's so powerful. But there still reamin enough Heartless for everybody :D.

Btw, I think I got confused somewhere. About Emblem Desouls. What is the exact difference between a Pure and an Emblem? Is it that the Emblems are those who'se Will was consumed by other Desouls? Or is it those who'se Elements got scattered into other Bodies?
Sorry, I know I know the answer, but I can't think of it, and the Wiki's FAQ didn't mention it... yet. We should put this question there, too.

 

hmm I can't think of anything for Order...Maybe just make it geometrical? No curves, just straight lines...

Actually, I figured it as Turpis continuing Xehanort's research. Before the game starts (Whenever Xehanort started making Desouls) Turpis would find out, steal his research, make his own set of reports, and use the data to make his own Emblem Desouls. His Emblem Desouls fight Xehanort's Pureblooded Desouls and Xehanort not only wins the battle but manages to take a pretty big majority of the Emblem Desouls under his control. (Turpis needs to keep a few to himself)
The battle ends up with the reports being scattered across worlds somehow (Maybe thru Dark Portals?) and that's how SRK find them.
The battle I think should happen really early in the game but not before it.

But that plotline can defintely be rewritten. I still can't figure out a reason for making Turpis being so opposed to Xehanort, I don't want him allied with the big baddie himself but I don't know what to do yet.
After all Turpis represents Corruption and the way I see it, Desouls are corrupt souls so hmmmm

Like I told Pezz, we should let someone else focus on Blaze.
The way I see it:
Blaze could have some minor control over Heartless (but he should hate Heartless, and therefore this power)
The Heartless follow Turpis because he's stronger.
Turpis probably despises Heartless but even though they follow him, he would prefer his superior Desouls, he probably "fed" the Heartless to his...pets lol

The way I see it, it's the same as Purebred and Emblem Heartless:
Purebred are actual people that got taken over by darkness
Emblem imitate the process how a person becomes a Desoul without using an actual person.
I think that's the difference anyway

 

Pure breed desouls were never created. they are born through natural methods such as loss of memory, obsessiveness, etc. However, the chance of a pure breed being created is rare. Emblem desouls were artificially created, that's why they have emblems. Turpis was the one who created the emblem desouls.

I would like to use Brexen's idea for determining an emblem desoul's stats, except instead of being determined by the strength of the will, it should be determined by the SOS.

for the Keyblades, C and E are my favorites.

Turpis starts the research on desouls. Xehanort should then steal his research and start making things get out of control.

 

I got that, but what I meant is HOW you artifically make them. The mass-production chaotic Element assembly thing?

 

Well how the H*** do you artificially create a heartless?

How the H*** am I supposed to know. lolz. Plot hole.

Edit: Lolz, excuse me for my language. I probably should remake Eclipse's Keyblades.

 

Pezz, you're a source of inspiration.
It's weird how this post is so short compared to your others but gave me good ideas.
Since purebred Desouls are really rare, it must take a person who's really conflicted with themselves to produce one, hence, purebreds are stronger than emblems. Maybe Xehanort (or Turpis) is trying to A: find purebred Desouls or B: find a way to reproduce Purebred Desouls, in order to accomplish his goal.
most likely C: All of the above

SO here's what I got, it's probably the same thing yr thinking of but I want details written out: Turpis researched Desouls for some reason (maybe he's like a young Ansem the Wise) Xehanort stole his research and that's why Turpis is against him. Unlike Ansem the Wise, Turpis wasn't going to stop his research, he either needed Desouls for his own purposes or was just really curious.

As for the keyblades, I agree. I think F seems too much like the Ultima Weapon.
I'm going to refine E a little bit and add color to C.
What are we going to do with the Keyblades?
the Bankai idea?
just different keyblades?
or regular keyblades without chains?

I would like to have Turpis using both E and C, with C being a stronger version of E. I can see how he would be able to evolve his keyblade using his research and...Corruption.


Of course:
That's the Other Keybladers are different than the regular Keyblade Masters.
They all have two forms of Keyblades, instead of having a keyCHAIN they gave up that power for their ideal (Rin=Order, Blaze=Chaos, Turpis=Corruption, Oriens=Faith or hope??, Eclipse=Despair) Their representation of that power evolves their keyblades in battles.

All we need is what their goals are.
Specific goals for each Keyblader, this would help out flesh out their backstory.

As soon as i'm done perfecting the Keyblades (name them, color them, etc.) I'm going to flesh out Turpis's backstory and appearance

The machine in KH1
According to the Wiki, Xehanort (or his Heartless, not sure which) made the machine/factory to make Heartless by ARTIFICIALLY reproducing the process of taking a heart by darkness, the machine emblemed the HEartless and those Emblem Heartless resided in the Realm of Light more t han Purebred Heartless, so something like that for the Desouls

 

So, you still need a REAL person being used for this?

 

Idk, the Wiki just said it reproduced the process of taking a heart.
The way I understand it, No.
It didn't use a real heart, it just reproduced the same process without a heart.

That's why HEartless weren't that big a threat until ten years ago, after Xehanort made the machine, their numbers multiplied exponientially.

 

I know! I'm just amazing, aren't I? :D lolz

I never really thought of that. sounds like a good idea to me! It would also make sense too, if you think about how Emblem desoul's SOS for each element of life is unbalanced. My reasoning for this would be that you can't make artificial desouls without making the SOS unbalanced.

Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking, except I kinda figured that Turpis had some sort of intention for doing this, possibly a good one. I don't think he's the type of guy to do something just because he is curious.

hmm.... We could say that. It's never really been specified whether keyblades with chains and those without, have different abilities. Again, a keyblade is a keyblade is a keyblade. however we have yet to even see a keyblade without a keychain. so I suppose we should be a tad creative here, let's just not drag it out too far. The problem that we would have is that Kairi is supposed to be the Keyblader of purity. However, unlike the other keybladers, Kairi is a KM since her keyblade does have a Keychain.

Heh, heh. completely forgot about that. I'm down with that.

as for the back stories, we'll probably end up working on those piece by piece. That's pretty much how we work. we tend to jump from one thing to another, and then jump on back. not very productive, but it all works out eventually.

You would need a real person to do this. You can't artificially produce hearts (at least from what we already know). Just think back to Halloween town in KH1. That artificial heart didn't work, now did it? It was close to being perfect, but it did quite make it.

 

and modest lol

Everytime I picture Turpis, he's going against Sora and the crew (Except in the end where he goes against Xehanort)
and he's confident and willing to destroy the good guys.
He wants to kill Xehanort and he won't let anyone else do it or let anyone stop him from doing it
THe reason for this: Turpis was working with Desouls to accomplish something, that was stopped when Xehanort stole his research, so in order to reach his goal Xehanort must be out of the way first. Turpis will do ANYTHING to accomplish this goal.
and while typing this, I have an idea for the goal. I at first thought of Turpis losing a loved one to a Desoul but that's too cliche. So instead his homeworld fell because of a Purebred Desoul, maybe that Desoul was a loved one but the point is the whole damn world is gone and so is everyone on it. Turpis can't figure out what happened, if they were destroyed or if they were all turned into Desouls. He's not sure if his world was destroyed or became a part of another world (i.e. ENd of World or World ends at sunset). So he set up lab in Highnoon Hamlet to study Desouls and badda bing badda boom Xehanort came and the story begins.
This would also show how strong a Purebred Desoul is since it managed to cause a world's destruction or whatever happened to it (but the Desoul didn't do it himself, it just started the destruction) Through out the game, Sora can hear about this world and realizes that's why he has to stop Xehanort or else Xehanort will find a way to make more Purebreedies and be too powerful and destructive.

IN the end, Turpis reveals it was his world (he could be the cause for that person losing his SOS) and this brings Sora to an internal conflict.
Sora and Turpis BOTH want to stop Xehanort so they should work together.
Turpis believes its his burden and like I stated, will defeat Xehanort himself and NO BODY (pardon the pun) will get in his way.
Sora doesn't want to defeat Turpis because Turpis just wants his world back.
In the end, Xehanort kills Turpis so it doesn't matter. But internal conflict is crucial to a character's devlopment.

The BBS players didn't have keychains, the Dark Keyblade didn't have one but it was artificially created. So I think this area can be where our imaginations can shine.

But the factory in KH1 didn't use real people did it?
I'm not 100% sure on this but I think it didn't.

 

Your idea could use some refining. It creates a lot of plot holes. here's the biggest problem. If a desoul was the one who caused World Ends At Sunset to become the way it was, then that would mean that desouls could do that to any world. now unlike End of the World, which was comprised of all the worlds that were consumed by darkness, World Ends At Sunset was solely created from one world. Desouls cannot combine into one. Because of this, WEAS has to be created artificially, else we would have to account for the fact that other worlds could have already been destroyed by the desouls.

the other problem I see here is that for a desoul to turn a world into a desoul, the desoul must have access to the world's heart. this is because desoul's attack the heart's will. At the end of KH1, Sora sealed off all the keyholes that gave access to the heart of each world. this happened when he sealed the door to kingdom hearts. because of this, the desouls do not have access to the heart of the worlds.

 

hmmmm good point. Maybe WEAS was made by Xehanort? That's where he set up base. But the issue still is how did he make a world lose it's will.
I'm sure we can come up with an answer, besides Xehanort is a researcher and it's stated that Xehanort had supernatural powers before becoming a Heartless and Nobody, so I"m sure he'd find a way.

I'm not sure about the second problem though....maybe instead the purebred Desoul was a special type and it secretly hunted other people making them into Desouls? that's nonsense, idk what i'm sayin lol

I'll see what else I can think of.

But how are we going to have WEAS lose it's will?

 

Yes, Xehanort should be the one to have created WEAS. After all, WEAS is crucial to his plans, so it would make sense if he made it. as for how he made it, that's a good question. Well here's a few things I been think on.

I reread the Ansem Reports. As you said, the machine to create artificial heartless neither used people, nor hearts (which doesn't make much sense since you can see a heart released whenever you kill a heartless, the exception being Neo-shadows). Therefore, we should make our machine, that spawns artificial Desouls, do something similar. what it should do is create an artificial heart, body, and soul (these artificial elements should have yet to be perfected).

Anyway, this machine should be Turpis' creation. I'm thinking that he was attempting to create artificial people, that had no SOS, in order to create an army that would not question orders or something. anyway, the machine ended up being a failure for it created the first artificial desoul.

Since Xehanort stole his research, he would know how to make his own machine. Eventually, he took his desoul creations to the next level and created WEAS. this would explain the lack of inhabitants.

 

Yea I never understood that either, how can the machine "reproduce the process" of taking a heart without a heart? Oh well, Nomura likes to leave tiny plot holes like that.

That's a pretty good idea actually. Xehanort used the blueprints for Turpis' Desoul creator, he probably made it better, and then used it to make a world's heart, body, and soul instead of a person's. After all, he would need a base that's not easy to find so why not create a brand new world as a location.

So any updates on Eclipse?

 

not really. I'm sort of fiddling around with her keyblade. not much luck there. I haven't really thought of a back story for her. I doubt that her back story will need too much depth too it. An idea just popped into my head, but I want to fiddle around with it before I present it.

 

ok cool.

I think I'm pretty much done with the Corruption Keyblades, It just needs a name.And for the keycharm, It's going to be teh Desoul emblem but only when it's in its stronger Axe form.
I'm working on appearance and I think i got a good face, I just need to get his hair down. The first draft came out looking too much like Riku, I'm giving Turpis long hair because to sort of go with the scientist on a rampage look and if he's been going after Xehanort all this time, I think long hair would show how much he's been working.
I'm also giving him some kind of scar. Either when he accidentally made the Desouls his machine exploded or whatever and burnt his face, or maybe he was attacked by a Desoul but it just managed to scratch him, I can't figure out a good scar.