Make up the story plot for kh3 (Group Effort)

a scar sounds like a good idea!

yeah, I have no idea what I even want Eclipse to look like.

 

wow, talk about emo. You know what, I you may be on to something here. Hmm...

 

Your backstory about Turpis and Xehnaort works very well. I like the idea of Xehanort adapting Turpis' machine to produce a Desoul world instead of a person. Since the world is imperfect itself, it's not necessarily impossible.

Eclipse as a gothic emo? That's... somewhat close to what I imagined too, lol. Let's think of KH fans, however. Let's not make Eclipse TOO emo ; she'll be bad influence and get our game a M-rating :D

As for Rin, I've been thinking and visualising things. Most notably, I borrowed some aspects from characters in other storyies I've got in my head. Now I've got quite some ideas on her hair, clothing, personality, objectives, etc. I need to choose what sounds best and then make an attempt at a backstory.
I also wanted to draw her, but I didn't do it yet. I have some talent at some artistic drawings, but drawing people isn't my thing. I'll give it a try, but probably not make anything too impressive, nor actually draw her face.

I've been having some issues with her Keyblade. It can't be held straight, because it's a whip. Therefore, it will be hard for Rin to partake in a scene such as the one just before the final battle in KH2 (where Sora, Riku and Mickey hold their Keyblades to open that door).
If not, we could make it a whip-sword. Cool, and not too widely used, as far as I know.

 

lolz, good point. but I think that that sort of look would be great for her.

I'm not good at drawing people either, so to give you guys an idea of what Eclipse will look like, I'll probably draw a stick figure. he he, I made a funny! :D

well if we go with the bankai idea, then her keyblade could have a normal form.

 

Bankai... that got me confused a little. You mean your idea of having different "forms" to a Keyblade? I tried looking Bankai up, and reread that Post where you mentionned it, but all I get is some anchor-looking weapon. I didn't see many Bleach episodes...

 

I kind of think of her as bipolar, kind of like a female Saix.
She can be real calm but she goes hulk on people when angered, her hair becomes disheveled and she starts yelling, veins poppin out, etc. lol

I'll reply to this with another one of yr posts

Could she not jsut hold the handle in her left hand and the blade part in her right hand? She can hold it by the part of the blade directly after the chain ends
and then she just swings her left hand and uses it as a whip.
If you've ever seen Inuyasha, Kohaku had a similar weapon, draw inspiration from him.

 

lolz, that's where I got the idea of having someone use a keyblade like that. XD

Neither did I, I read the manga instead. basically, yes the keyblade would have more than one form. It would have a normal form (similar to other keyblades), then it would have a more powerful unique form (such as the boomerangs for Eclipse.)

 

Great minds think alike

So just to get a basic idea, so far we have:
Turpis, spearish keyblades that turns into an axe.
Eclipse, whatever Pezz decides but turns into two boomerangs
Rin, whatever Starseeker decides but turns into a whip-like weapon.

So
Oriens and Blaze are left
The ideas that were thrown around earlier that haven't been used are a strap-on keyblade, a duel staff/sword, and the flame sword Starseeker drew

I think the duel staff sword would fit the Mystery Keyblader since Xemnas had two lightsabers thing, Myst could have two blades, just one weapon.


And also
Rin is against Sora's group for meddling in the worlds, she constantly butts heads with them and is most like Oriens except he does meddle sometimes. So does that mean she's against Blaze (for causing chaos), Eclipse (for destroying worlds), and Turpis (for his destructive ways)?

Blaze and Eclipse are both rivals for Riku and don't really care for the other Keybladers

Oriens is probably the friendliest to SRK and I can imagine him training Kairi in using her Keyblade. It seems like he could work with Rin pretty well, siblings or partners.

Turpis is against everyother Keyblader especially Oriens (I can see them as old friends but followed two different paths) I'll tell you about a nice battle I thought of later.
Turpis is also against SRK for getting in his way and for defeating his precious Desouls

I'm jsut trying to get everyone's relationship with everyone else straight, so is all this right?

 

yup, that pretty much sums it up :)

 

Alright good!

Well here's the scene I thought of, I drew inspiration from yr scene of Oriens death.
after ORiens saved Kairi, you wrote Turpis said that he thought he killed Oriens.
So late in the game before Kairi's battle with Turpis is the setting.
I think of this happening at a castle but not in the World that ends at Sunset.

I think Eclipse emotions start spiraling down, she starts losing her purpose in life after Riku berates her for destroying worlds. He says her methods just cause despair, they're not helping the greater good and she knows it but won't admit it.

This happens sometime after that.

**Turpis is ahead of the group (Sora, Riku, Kairi, Mickey, Donald and Goofy) maybe on a balcony outside the castle.**
Turpis: "You children are really getting on my last nerve, even you, your highness (he smirks with sarcasm as he looks down on Mickey)

**Donald and Goofy get mad and Mickey just gives Turpis a look**

Riku: "You created the Desouls, yet you oppose Xehanort...but you won't help us, instead you try to destroy us! What is your goal!?"

Turpis: "Hmmm....revenge? I guess that's the best way to put it. Xehanort WILL be destroyed! By me! and no one else! And then...." (he stares off into space and after a few seconds snaps out of it) Anyways...You have a choice, leave now and let me take care of that fool Xehanort, or taste the blade of my Corrupted Axe (random name)"

Sora: "If you're not going to help us, then we have to defeat you!"
Everyone else: "yea"! (summon weapons)

Turpis: "Fine, if that's the way it must be. The only blood that should be shed in my quest is Xehanort's....but if I have to kill IGNORANT children who don't know their place, so be it!"

**as he talks, he raises his right hand and summons his Keyblade the same way as Terra but instaed of data around it, its the flames the colors of Desouls**

Turpis: "I believe I can easily take all four Keyblade masters at once and even their little helpers, let's see if I"m right...huh?"

**Turpis blocks a long range magic attack, the group turns around to see Eclipse slowly walking towards them with her level one keyblade (not bankai version), she's looking down as she talks**

Eclipse: "You talk too much, shut your mouth and act"

Riku: "Eclipse....you're here to help?"

**Eclipse smirks**

Eclipse: "Help? You? Well...that would greatly benefit the greater good, right? }}Her keyblade turns into her two boomerangs and looks up with a distraught expression{{ but why would I want that? After all, all I want to do is cause Despair, RIGHT!?!?!?!"

**SHe attacks Riku like a berserker (sad music should be playing as she yells at Riku)**
Eclipse: "If i'm all good for is causing despair, then that's what I'll do. I'll start by destroying you!"

Riku: }}Defending himself{{ "Eclipse! Wait! We can talk about...
**He's knocked down and looks up to see Eclipse raising one keyblade...Turpis smiles as the KH Crew run to help Riku**
KH CREW: "Riku!"

Eclipse: "Good...bye!"

**Riku summons a dark portal behind her and tackles her into it and the portal vanishes**

Kairi: "Where did they go?!"
Sora: "I don't know! We have to follow them!"
Donald: "What about Turpis?"

Turpis: "hmm so it's just THREE keyblade masters now? I like these odds"
**His keyblade turns into the Axe and he holds it with both hands**

Voice: "NO!"
**Oriens and Rin appear**
Rin: "We won't let you do this...whatever it is!"
Oriens: "Turpis....it ends here"

Turpis: "hahaha old friends...I guess we really did go our separate paths, I still don't know how you can be so...stubborn... and not let me defeat Xehanort! Is that not what you want as well?"
Sora: "Not the way you're doing it! And Xehanort is too powerful for you to face by yourself!"

Mickey: "The end doesn't justify the means!"

Turpis: "Fine! No more interruptions! Your lives end here, if you want me, come get me....But you have to reach me first!"

**A horde of Desouls appear**

}}}}}THis battle would be similar to the 1000 Heartless Battle but a lot easier, you'll play as Sora by himself but every other character fights too as guests. Turpis is behind the Desouls shooting Long range attacks.
After the battle, a new cutscene starts{{{{{{

**Sora defeats the Desoul right in front of Turpis and jumps at him. Turpis smiles and disappears as Sora's keyblade strikes air.
Everyone defeats the rest of the Desouls and look around**

Sora: "Where'd he go!"
Kairi: "Forget about him, we have to save Riku!"
Sora: "Riku can take care of himself, we have a job to do"
Mickey: "I don't know about that...Eclipse seemed like she went crazy, she's too unpredictable."

**As they talk, a blue flame (or however the hell Desouls travel) appears behind Oriens and Turpis sneaks up on him and swings his axe to put Oriens in a choke hold**

Turpis: "You're coming with me"
Kairi and RIn: "Oriens!"

**Turpis steps back into the flame taking Oriens with him**
**They're in a secluded area and Turpis' Keyblade disappears**

Turpis:"Did you ever think...when we were little...that it would come to this?
Oriens: "What? You going crazy and me stopping you?"
Turpis: "same old Oriens, same old sense of humor...but NO, by this I mean ME KILLING YOU!"

**Oriens stands up calmly**
**Turpis summons his Axe again**

Turpis: "bring out your weapon, this battle decides all"
Oriens: "So be it, it didn't have to be this way..."
**Oriens summons his weapon and he and Turpis run at each other...the screen fades to black**


}}}}After some more gameplay and maybe another cutscene the end of the battle is shown{{{{

**Oriens is knocked back and is on one knee on the edge a balconly, he looks over his shoulder to the tremendous drop**

Turpis: "you were right, It did not have to be this way...but I can't let you interfere with me anymore!"

**A blue flame appears behind Turpis and he walks into it, as he walks in he shoots a magic blast at ORiens and as soon as it hits him, Turpis turns around and disappears without watching the outcome**
**In slow motion Oriens is shown fallin back over the edge reaching out but only grabbing air**

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That's where Sora saves him like Pezz said in his scene, but that shouldn't be shown.

The lines just came out as I typed that so they need to be revised.

I just realized Blaze is not included in this at all, so maybe he shows up to help Riku and calm down Eclipse? but anyways that's my plan

 

Sorry lilbueno, didn't comment on your Keyblades too much.

I especially like C, E and F.
The C looks quite awesome and original, bringing a new concept. Looks like a death Keyblade.
The E is nicely done, but the handle really needs refining. The rest of it looks pretty evil/desoul-ish.
The F one has a nice symbolic with the anarchy signs, and still looks dangerous.

The A could work. What is your replace one of the baldes by a perpendicular decoration, that makes it look like a Key with two different tips?

The B doesn't look like a Key... needs refining. Not sure how, though.

The D is simple in design, and just by looking at it, you don't really know what it's supposed to be. At best, you see the negative space heart.

 

the scene has a lot of potential but there are some things that need to be fixed. Desouls are way too powerful to use to create a 1000 heartless battle. That battle is a piece of cake, it can even be beaten with your eyes close (all you have to do is press triangle). I've done this before. lolz

1000 heartless battle must happen again, but it must be different than before. maybe it shouldn't happen all at once or perhaps a few desouls or something are thrown into the mix. The world that would be best for the battle to take place in would be TWTNW. After all, that is Maleficant's new base of operations.

also note that we don't want to have mickey Donald and goofy to be as big a part of the story this time, however this would be a big scene, so perhaps they should be there.

I also noted that Kairi said nothing in this scene except for two lines. Kairi, or Sora should be written out of this scene. It probably should be Sora since he saves Oriens and because Kairi should think that Oriens is dead.

Another thing to take note on is that the only two worlds that Sora, Riku, and Kairi will all be on at the same time, is TWTNW and WEAS. There may be other worlds where two of them meet up and work together for a short while, however this would happen twice per character.

for example: if you are playing as Sora, then he will bump into Kairi once and he will bump into Riku once.

I like what you did with Eclipse, just keep in mind that once she goes crazy, then she will no longer have good intentions. she may end up walking off a cliff, backwards, after her final battle with Riku.
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on anther note, I thought of a back story for Eclipse. The first time that she was able to wield a keyblade was around the time that the heartless started to attacking the worlds (this was some time before KH1). She summoned it accidentally upon meeting a lone heartless. She then used the keyblade to defeat it.

Because she could wield a keyblade, and because heartless are attracted to the keyblade, it wasn't long before the heartless began attacking her world in huge swarms. She tried to fight them off as best as she could, but it didn't seem to stop the never ending waves of heartless.

Eventually, while fighting off an unusually large group of heartless, she happened upon her world's Keyhole. Sensing the nearby keyhole, her keyblade reacted and shot a beam of dark red light inside the keyhole. The beam of red light destroyed the world's heart, and her world along with it (the heartless on that world were also killed). Eclipse's keyblade protected her by sending her to another world.

The next day, she was found unconscious, by Oriens, on Highnoon Hamlet. Oriens cared for Eclipse till she awoke. Upon awakening, her memory of the previous day came flooding back to her. She broke out in fits of hysteria, upon realizing that she had just killed everyone who she held dear.

Eclipse's story concerned Oriens greatly. He knew that if she didn't learn to control her powers, then disaster would fall upon the worlds. Oriens trained Eclipse as best as he could. He managed to teach her how to control her powers, however he was unable to help her mentally.

Eclipse refused to get over the fact that her world was gone and eventually, to relieve her own pain, she blamed the heartless for her world's destruction. This line of thought, along with her guilt, ended up twisting her sense of morality. Her moods started to become erratic, and her methods became more rash. It wasn't long before she no longer wanted Oriens company.

And so she set off on her own to send her wrath upon the heartless. Any town or world that she thought was over run by heartless, she would end up destroying in order to kill them off.

Being a keyblader, Eclipse has the ability to unlock the keyhole that leads to a world's heart. By doing this she can use her power to destroy any world.
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Also I was thinking about the reports. Perhaps, if you play as Riku, then you pick up pages from Eclipse's diary. If you play as Kairi, then you pick up pages from Turpis' research notes. And if you play as Sora, then you pick up pages form Xehanort's latest set of reports.

One more thing. TWTNW is going to be destroyed before the end of the game. That means that the player won't be able to return to this world. This being the case, we shouldn't place any chests in that world. I know that this really is unimportant right now, since we probably will not really make the game (then again, who knows), but I just thought that we should take note of that.

 

hm maybe the 100 Desoul Battle?

that was What i originally thought but I wanted at least Mickey in here

Well SOra is the main character, but Kairi needs to see Oriens before his "death"...Maybe just take Donald and Goofy out and Sora jumps in the Dark Portal after Riku but doesn't make it all the the way through (similar to how Mickey tried to follow Xemnas in KH2 but ended up in a different location)
So that would Leave Kairi and Mickey with ORiens and Rin. Is that good?

Well I pictured at least three meetings with Sora, Mickey, Kairi, and Riku.
One is at Hollow Bastion after Riku's encounter with Blaze, he manages to find Leon's group, meanwhile Sora is at Highnoon Hamlet and after his first adventure he finds a way to Hollow Bastion. Mickey picks up Kairi after her SOA in his Gummi Ship to make sure she's safe and either takes her with him after finding out she was attacked, or she sneaks on board.

SOmehow they all end up with Leon and ORiens is introduced and explains the Desoul threat (and btw, unlike Sora, Oriens bows down to Mickey after realizing who he is)

Then they get separated, Kairi was probably told to stay with Leon and snuck off.

THen there's the scene I just typed with Turpis. Riku and Eclipse end up at another world and Sora just ends up on the other side of the castle (where he saves ORiens)
After Turpis is defeated Mickey and Kairi continue on their quest (whatever their current mission is) since they probably think Sora and Riku both are at another world. Rin needs to do something, she probably rushes off looking for Oriens.

I thought of that and my answer is that she either realizes the error of her ways a little late and sacrifices herself in the end or is cut down by either Turpis or Myst.
I kind of like the idea where her and Riku are attacked by Eclipse (and Blaze saves Riku, maybe?) and then they're attacked by Desouls, Eclipse stays behind to fight them after the realization and her fate isn't shown but she dies.
But I'll let you figure that out since you're her designer.

That does sound good, but Eclipse would be a little younger than Sora in KH1 when she made got her Keyblade, but the Keybladers should be older so maybe not.
I picture ORiens as the oldest and Turpis close behind.
So since Oriens used to be close with Turpis, is partnered with Rin (maybe), saved Eclipse, we should make him do something with Blaze. Oriens can be the one that tries to take charge and think they all should work together since they're all Keybladers but only Rin complies. Maybe Turpis but eventually he leaves for his corrupted ways.

As for Eclipse;s ability to destroy worlds that makes a lot of sense. Good job with that. She believes the only way to destroy all HEartless is by destroying the world they're on.

I think I should start working on Turpis's notes. What kind of stuff will Riku find from Eclipse? Will her diary show her descent into, for a lack of better term, insanity?

Speaking of the chests, good point. and speaking of making this game, I think we have 3 options.
1: (My least favorite) Completely develop the plot,characters, etc. and not do anything at all with nothing but a wiki to show for all our hard work.
2: Try to make this into an actual game, I'm sure we could find some way to contact NOmura and pitch our story to him
3. Eventually take out everything Kingdom HEarts related and use the same basic plots with inspiration from KH and make our own game. We'd just need to figure out how to get a game company interested

 

Maybe.

Well seeing that the player would be playing three different characters view of the story, we want to avoid as many repeated scenes as possible. Sora should be debriefed, most definitely, since he always seems to need someone to explain to him what's going on. Riku could probably figure things out for himself. he will probably have the most interaction with the keybladers so He'll learn bits and pieces from them. As for Kairi, she has Oriens to explain things.

well in a similar fashion to Turpis and Kairi, Eclipse is primarily Riku's main villain. Her final battle with him would be right before WEAS gets destroyed. There will be successive boss battles after that, but who exactly will be the boss is yet to be decided. As of right now, we've been considering having Xehanort try to resurrect Ven and Aqua but due to his power being corrupted, instead he would create desoul versions of them. Riku would fight Ven, Kairi fights Aqua, and of course Sora fights Xehanort, who would be turning into a desoul do to either his obsessiveness for KH's power, or due to the corrupted power that he obtained.

Something like that. We can work on the details later.

Yeah the dairy would show her decent into insanity. I would be quite interesting to read.

Well the problem is, it could very well be illegal for us to make such a game. Not too long ago, I was attempting to make a 2D version of Majora's mask, however, it turns out that doing that is illegal, even if I don't sell it.

another thing we would have to consider is copyright issues with Disney's characters. Is it ok for us to make a fan-made game using their characters? Honestly, I don't know. I would hope not, but you just can't be too careful.

Also, this is Nomura's story, and I doubt that he would want us to write it for him. We may even be pushing things by completing the wiki, storyline and everything.

The one thing we have going for us is that the actual game has yet to be in the works, at least as far as we know. There may even be a possibility that he may not create a KH3, though I highly doubt it. before we even consider turning this into an actual game, we must do plenty of research to make sure that we aren't in the wrong. I am Studying to become a game maker, so getting into a illegal issue like this would be bad for me.

If we learn that it's ok for us to do this, then we would need to assemble an even bigger team in order to make the game. I won't even consider making it without a bigger team. This would be a huge project, and it will take a whole lot more than four people to make it.

perhaps we could wait for the company to actually make KH3 and then pitch our fan-made version to them. who knows. For now we just continue with the wiki.

 

hmm.... that there is an interesting idea.

 

but won't that just repeat scenes?
If someone tells Sora what the DeSouls are and that's who you play as first, you'll have to listen to the same thing once Riku realizes what they are and when Oriens tells Kairi.

Ven and Aqua? I didn't really want to use characters that we know nothing about and BBS is pretty far in the distance.
I couldn't see Turpis being Kairi's main villain since he's more of an over-all antagonist, I like the idea of her defeating him but I think the other characters are completely against him too.

That's why I think we should only use this as a basis, then revert every character into an original character, twist all KH-related into original concepts, we don't have to use Disney characters but make our own anthromorphic animals, Disney isn't the only people who do that. Unless we can get Nomura interested in this, which I doubt, this seems like the best course of action.

That is a pretty good idea

 

It would be different. Sora would get a basic overview of what desouls are, sorta like his visit to Yen Sid's Tower. Riku would get a better idea of the threat that desouls have to the universe, and Kairi will get incite to their creation. For the player to know the whole story, he/she must play all three characters.

I would rather not use Ven and Aqua too, but for now it's a possibility only

Xehanort really is the over all villain. This time, he's crossing the line. His new method for obtain KH's power WILL lead to the universe's destruction.

Turpis is more of a side villain. yes, everyone is against him, but his intentions are not as threatening as Xehanort's. he's sorta like another Malifeciant. Turpis sees Kairi as a threat to his plans. He ends up accidentally killing Oriens instead of Kairi. So Kairi ends up fighting Turpis for killing her friend.

Eclipse is also a minor side villain. Xehanort should give her a purpose again, after she is beaten down by Riku for the second time (By this time her sanity is gone). This may perhaps give Eclipse feelings for Xehanort. However Xehanort only uses her to stall for time by sending her to her death. In other words, he sends her to fight against Riku even though he knows she isn't strong enough to defeat Riku.

that's still kinda pushing it. Most people will be able to see the similarities between the two games (too much similarities can still make it illegal). then there's the whole Xehanort thing that we need to consider as well as past events which effect the way our story is going. The idea of several different worlds may lose it's appeal without disney and final fantasy. the whole project would probably crumble if we make it our own. we would end up rewriting everything just to make things work, and in the end. our game will be nothing like what we started with.

we would also have to alter the whole elements of life, the desouls, the heartless, and the nobodies.