Mafia [Mafia] The Masquerade in Salem ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

One thing to keep in mind, I am pretty sure Skull has backed up DigitalAtlas several times in this thread. As if he actually knew.

 

well like i said i don't suspect him.
so yeah, im going to back him and anyone else i dont suspect[DOUBLEPOST=1398218203][/DOUBLEPOST]jayn was here a min ago. and isn't now.

pains me but i say we vote her today.

Vote: Jayn

 

I'm not too suspicious of anyone right now, I mean, I know I came pretty hard against DigitalAtlas, but his defense, even if it's impossible to answer every question, seemed pretty genuine. I have no reason to be suspicious of Jayn as she hasn't been able to say much, but I'm slightly suspicious simply because we haven't been able to rule her out either. Jiku... Jiku might very well be Mafia, but I've got no clue on that one. For some reason, I don't suspect Beau at all. If he's mafia, he's doing a very good job of appearing harmless. So far, the one I suspect the most is skull joke, but even with that, I don't really have an argument to back me up.

Course, now that I think about it, there's also Princess. Mafia? I don't know. Doesn't seem like it. But maybe. BANG! (points to anyone who gets that.) Want points? Get it. Learn it. Like it. BANG! Okay, I'm done. Maybe Princess is mafia? Man, I don't even know anymore.

 

why

 

{ I really don't understand how viewing a thread and not posting immediately indicates you are mafia ... I already said I had to reread everything and there are 30 pages. } ​

 

I only suspect you the most out of several people I don't find too suspicious. With you, I just... I feel you've been the most suspicious out of the ones I mentioned, but I really have nothing to go by. You haven't really done anything to tip me off, just... if I had to pick from those peeps, I'd probably pick you. Good thing nobody's making me pick from that list.

Because really, anyone could be Mafia, including people I haven't mentioned, like Cat, Hyuge, Bite the Dust... I DON'T KNOW MAN, I HAVEN'T HAD MY EVENING COFFEE! D:

Brb, I think I need to go get my evening coffee before I go any further.

 

i have to agree w jayn this whole thing about people being suspicious bc they viewed the thread but didn't post like... what??

honestly jayn hasn't really done anything to provoke my suspicions i mean like has she done wrong ??

i just feel like this going to be another tale wind situation bc i genuinely don't think she's mafia and accusing someone bc they haven't said anything is just plain silly imo

 

See, what I'm saying is I don't think Jayn is Mafia, because she hasn't given me any reason to. HOWEVER, I'm also saying that due to her inability to post, we can't rule her out yet either. She hasn't done enough to make me suspicious, but she hasn't done enough to earn my trust yet. That's what I'm saying. I'm NOT claiming we should vote for her. If she's Mafia, there's not enough evidence to lynch her. There's just not enough to clear her, either.

 

So would you all rather vote burnitup today? I know @Cstar suspects him and so do I. But this whole "no one is suspicious rn" thing gets us absolutely nowhere especially this late in the game. Marushi, if you're suspicious of me then vote me. If you can't think of reasons why you suspect someone or if it's "just a hunch" then make a case. Think about it some. All I'm saying is that if you want the town to win you gotta be proactive.[DOUBLEPOST=1398232622][/DOUBLEPOST]and keep in mind the day ends tomorrow evening so we need to start making decisions

 

While this is true, I'm not going to rush into a vote just yet. We have until Thursday, right? (totes gonna check that out after posting this, don't want to be too late) But still. I won't vote on my suspicions just yet. However, your point about making a case is valid.

Even if DigitalAtlas is innocent, he has been very outspoken, and seems to be good at leading people towards a goal. If he's a townie, this is an excellent quality. However, wherever he leads, you seem to be following with very little question, and in fact, even seem almost as if you are egging him on a bit at times. I already noted earlier that you both have voted almost the exact same way. There's a chance that you are using his leadership to further your goals, but are being much less vocal in an attempt to push suspicion off on him. Striking from the shadows, in a way. Being the "less suspicious follower" Who's been manipulating the leader the whole time type scenario. Also, as people have previously mentioned, you have been sticking up for Atlas throughout this whole game, without giving many reasons other than your surety that he's probably innocent. Because of this, when under scrutiny, you both seem suspect together, and likewise, the passion of his defense also would seem to extend towards you. But if you are Mafia, and if you are striking from Atlas' shadow like I surmise, then keeping him alive temporarily continues to keep you relatively safe (after all, if we think you are both Mafia, we would be more likely to target him first as he is the more vocal) While upon his eventual death, if he is revealed to be a Townie, it is common knowledge that you have been defending him all along.

I... I actually hadn't thought all this out until I started writing it. Writing always helps me focus my thoughts when before, they were nothing more than jumbled feelings. Now, upon reflection, you are definitely my prime suspect for now. If you can defend yourself in this, please, do so. I'm still not gonna vote just yet (at least until I go make sure it said Thursday) but you are currently the top of my list.

 

oh yeah my b i thought it was wednesday night.

Yeah I could see why you would think that. And no, I'm not going to write a defense for myself. I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing and let the townspeople decide what they think of me on their own. If things start getting really bad I may reconsider this but I don't feel the need to defend myself just yet.

 

I don't know if Below is mafia or not- if he is, he hasn't ever gotten in my way. As Jayn said- being loud is in my nature and very much who I am. Judging me on that quality is very much a disservice to myself and your knowledge of me.

So here's my sign of good faith... At the very beginning of this game, I told someone in private that my goal was to aid the town successfully and flush out the mafia while trying to prove to be valuable to the mafia so I could stay alive. In this effort, I've been myself- loud, but very open. I wanted them to think they could manipulate me, but never give them the chance. GUESS WHAT I GAVE THEM A LOT OF CHANCES. THEY MANIPULATED ME PLENTY. WE KILLED LOTS OF TOWNIES BECAUSE FIVE OF YOU ARE EFFING BRILLIANT. No, really. You've never joined up in a vote, you've never done anything except show me that my plan worked- you do find me valuable... because I keep killing my own dudes and your own enemy.


So this is what I have to say... @burnitup ? Probably a suspect. Probably who we should kill... I want more opinions on this.

Also... @h y u g e , you've been quiet, where do you stand m'dere?

 

Talking about mafia outside the game breaks rule 6. Reported.

 

"Private" could be those private mafia meetings. GAIZ WE FOUND ONE. SHOOT EM

 

[[ Place holder: At work. Working on reply. Only get to do a little bit at a time. Will have response posted soonish. ]][DOUBLEPOST=1398282023][/DOUBLEPOST]

I knew it was a matter of time before someone commented on me being quiet, and while it seems no one really suspects me, I do want to say this:

A lot of the members are aware that since I moved a few weeks ago, I live in isolation. I don't have internet at my house and my smart phone broke a few months ago so I can only access the internet at work. Tuesdays & Saturdays are my days off and I rarely make it into town on those days to use internet. I don't want my inactivity to become suspicious because of that. Nova started the new day right before I left to go home on Monday and I've been sitting here for quite some time reading the four pages necessary to catch up. There are several members in the game that can vouch for my lack of internet.

@Ars Nova I think the MVP sounds like fun. Just wanted to throw that out there before I forget.

Now onto the game. I've had a lot to read. Right now I'm very uncertain of whom to vote for. I have my suspicions like everyone else, but nothing concrete. I can safely say this, I don't think James or Below are Mafia. Though, I do hold suspicion towards everyone until proven otherwise by Nova. I will devise a list below like everyone else has been doing. I'm not really sure who I would put in my mafia group so I hope typing this out will help decide it for me. The only one I really feel suspicious of at this time is Luxord. He's the only person to have voted for me so far and that was simply because I voted for him first. He felt the need to retaliate. However, if he was Mafia, it would look incredible suspicious for me to be voted off after that. So far I haven't been. I keep wondering what I am managing to do right to keep the Mafia off my back. Every day that passes by, I become more wary of my own safety.

The list is going to go in order of most important people to comment on. I'm going to tag each of them so that they have a chance to respond to what I have to say, in the event that they want to. I'm doing it this way so if the tags don't work for all of them, at least the ones I care to hear from most will be alerted. At the bottom, I will list my Top 5 likeliest Mafia members. I'm sorry if some of what's about to be said gets confusing at all. My thoughts are all jumbled up and I've taken a lot of time will cleaning / checking rooms today to kind of work over this list in my head.

@Princess ♥ -- You are the only person that has actually voted for me and you did it simply because I voted you first. That doesn't bode well in my opinion. You are the only member I feel strongly about potentially being Mafia. This is going to sound all weird / messed up, but bare with me. You helped vote Tales off after voting for me because I thought it was dumb that you were voting yourself. It was a good way to stall the votes and considering how Beema didn't die after voting for himself, it would have been a safe bet as mafia. I would find you less suspicious If I had died last night phase. It would be the same situation that James was worried about with Senpai, being framed. If I had been murdered, my suspicions of you would have gone away. You would have made for a good scapegoat. since I wasn't killed, it leads me to believe that you would have suggested otherwise to the fellow mafia members so that you wouldn't look guilty, deciding to go with Spike instead; whose activity in the games has recently dropped.

@burnitup -- You have been very inactive in the thread. You've been tagged a few times asking your opinion or your reasons for silence, with no reply. Even now, after you've started talking, you've yet to explain why you weren't saying anything. You first started this day with a 'No Lynch,' because you "have no opinion." This far along in the game, you should have some fairly defined opinions about at least a few members. You only changed your No Lynch to Jiku, because others were doing it. While bandwagoning is what we need to hard lynch people, it isn't productive so early in the day. It could cost us dearly. Your explanation was simply that you voted Jiku during a previous day, so you might as well do it again. There was no explanation as to why you thought Jiku seemed suspicious. Something about your limited behavior leaves me unsettled, but I can't make much of a defined opinion on you do to your lack of posting.

@Bite the Dust -- Beema you've been tagged and mentioned a few times during this day from what I've seen, and you have yet to reply. You haven't said a ton during the course of the game so I'm having a hard time developing a defined opinion. Though, I still don't like the fact that you voted yourself [[ much like Jayn stated ]]. It doesn't help anyone really. If you vote yourself and everyone follows your lead and you were mafia, you screwed over the mafia; same goes for the townies. I know you're an extremely active member on the site, but have been rather inactive during the game. I'd like to see you posting more so that I can develop an actual idea of what side you might be on.

@Jayn -- It was nice to see that reply you posted on the previous page. I appreciated being able to get inside your head a bit. Along with the last two, I haven't been able to develop much considering your inactivity. I'd like to hear your opinions further, but I do agree with what you had to say about Beema.

@Cstar -- You've been very .... god I am having such a hard time thinking of the word right now. ... Augh You've been very ... reasonable? That doesn't seem right but is the closest thing I can think of. A lot of your decisions have been hesitant. You've been telling us from the beginning, 'maybe not hard lynch this person yet, look at it this way.' Though you've been mostly ignored. I'm not sure how to feel about it at the moment. If you're mafia, you've been trying to lead us away from certain townies, which wouldn't be good for the mafia if it managed to lead us in the direction of them. If you're a townie, which I think you most likely are, you've been trying your hardest to guide us in the right direction. I would greatly appreciate seeing what kind of list you have devised. While you were on board for the Krowley lynching, you've been trying to give everyone that has been lynched the benefit of the doubt and asking everyone else to take a step back and look at it from a different perspective.

@Judge Sunrose -- I haven't been able to define much here as well. You've said very little, aside from your long defense post. I'd like to hear more of what you have to say. My opinion of you is very linear at the moment.

@godhead -- Ben, you've bandwagoned a bunch and made little comments here and there, but nothing too in depth. I'd like to pick your brain some more before deciding anything further about where your allegiance lies.

@Beau -- Andrew, I'm not sure how to feel about you. You haven't posted much, but more than some of the others. You really tried to help Tales out which makes me think you likely aren't mafia. If you were, you would have just jumped aboard like everyone else so that there was one less townie running about. That being said, I did defend you on your inactivity; but what few posts you've made haven't had much substance. The only thing I really have to go off of, is you helping out Tales. I'd like to see some more from you and find out what your listing is.

@anelg -- Cat has been an active member throughout the entirety of the game. I don't thinks likely to be mafia. There's just something tugging at me saying so. However, as I earlier, I still hold a layer of suspicion on everyone until they are proven innocent via death. I don't know for sure, but my gut is saying not Cat.

@Marushi -- You've just recently started to talk more since your own innocence as come into question. At the moment, I don't feel you are a threat. However, as I've said with most of the others, I don't have a lot to go off of. You did question James quite in depth after he questioned you, but I won't hold that against you. Pretty much everyone has raised question to him, myself included. I need to see more from you to come up with a solid opinion.

@Jiku Neon -- I really don't know and it's starting to stress me out. I think the number system has been helpful in a sense and it's true that numbers don't lie -- only people. I've really been back and forth with my opinion of you. Yes, your way of voting people off has been fairly harmless and you've been going through this work to give everyone and objective way to view the game, but there's still something that doesn't sit well. At the moment, I feel you are not a threat, but that doesn't mean my suspicions of you being mafia nonexistent. I'm going to wait longer before casting any sort of vote towards you.

@DigitalAtlas -- I am 98% certain you're not mafia. I want everyone to be aware that James and I don't get along the majority of the time. Usually if we're in the same skype chat or replying in the same thread, we argue. It's as simple as that. We have very strong differences of opinion and starting off, we didn't like each other. Yet, I've found him to be one of the most dependable people in the game and he seems to genuinely value my opinion. It's either a reeeeeeeally great ploy on his part, or we are honestly on the same side for once. I truly hope it is the latter. I'm going to feel incredible stupid if I'm wrong.

@skull joke -- I think Below is as likely to be mafia as James. I just don't feel it. After everything he's said in the game and his defenses, I just can't see it. I know everyone's main problem so far is that it seems he and James are just this tag team and have been since the start which is why you can't stop pointing fingers at the pair of them. Look at it this way, no matter which side they are on [[ if they are both on the same side ]] it is most beneficial for them to be a team -- at least for the townies. I think that if they were both mafia, they would be playing an extremely dangerous game by supporting one another. HOWEVER, I haven't ruled out the possibility of shadowing. If one is mafia and the other isn't, it would be a smart move to use the innocence of the other as a sort of shield. They've both been very outspoken, so one could be using that personality trait to hide behind the other.

That being said, the following is my list of likely mafia members from most likely to least likely:

1. Princess
2. Burnitup
3. Bite the Dust
4. Jayn
5. Judge Sunrose

I don't plan to vote yet. I just wanted everyone to see what was going on in my head and wipe any suspicions of myself at the same time. I want to see what some of the people have to say in response to my post and gather more opinions before making anything official. However, I implore you all to keep from placing a Hard Lynch on Jiku just yet. I'm not ready for that.

 

So I couldn't sleep last night, because my mind wouldn't shut down, and I kept thinking about this thread. Remembering what I'd said about how writing helps me focus, I grabbed a notebook and pen and started writing. And now, I'm going to cast my vote.

Vote: Jiku Neon

• Jiku spent the first three days systematically voting down a list, with no further explanation. While it's true that this was not necessarily detrimental to the town's progress, it was hardly helpful at the time.
• When she came up with her numbers system, her previous mode of voting served to keep her low down on the chart, as she neither made many posts nor did she vote for any confirmed townie. This puts her first three votes into question: As she was coming up with the system, was she already beginning to manipulate the numbers?
• The creation of her system successfully labeled her as valuable to the team. Whether she is Mafia or not, those numbers are an easy reference guide, and indeed, are helpful.
• This one is the one that really gets me: She has been virtually silent aside from her numbers, claiming that "talk is cheap." However, this means that she has been successfully hiding behind her numbers, the outspoken nature of her system means that she can get away with saying little else.
• She has not participated in any townie's death, and hasn't even voted after the first three days. This not only keeps her low on her numbers system, but is alarmingly indicative that she is being careful not to involve herself in any suspicious finger-pointing, band-wagoning, or theorizing that might call her into question later.
• Her astonishingly overlooked lack of involvement keeps her from being truly investigated, anyone with suspicions is usually ignored or dismissed, as there are others who act more suspicious, who have been involved with more deaths. This involvement is only natural, everyone makes mistakes or votes for the wrong person. Everyone, that is, except Jiku.
• If Jiku is not Mafia, why is she still alive? With her numbers system being marked as valuable, her continued existence could have one of three reasons: 1. She is Mafia, and is hiding behind her numbers, hiding in plain sight. 2. She is a townie, and her numbers system is somehow serving the purpose of the Mafia in some way. 3. She is a townie, and her numbers system is not valuable enough to warrant silencing her.

In conclusion, if Jiku is Mafia, she has been hiding in plain sight, being very careful not to give any reason for suspicion, and her system, while helpful, is not enough to keep her from at least being investigated.

@Jiku Neon can you defend yourself in this? For all your talk that talk is cheap, it is time for you to come forward.[DOUBLEPOST=1398282658][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, I'm going to be very busy today. I'll try to come check on things as often as possible, but I can't be here indefinitely.

 

I prefer not to say too much because it really doesn't matter whether or not I do. People are going to find reason to be suspicious of any tiny thing: whether it be reading the thread and not saying anything, taking a word or phrase out of context, immediately going after someone that voted for you. Really, any little thing can be found suspicious if you give it that twist.

Ok, so I played a joke on you guys, bite me. If I hadn't been getting voted for the way I was, I wouldn't have done that. I did vote for myself, but that was because it seemed like I was a goner anyhow. I've said this before, so I'm not gonna dwell on it.

Personally, I'm trying my hardest not to overthink this and get myself caught in a loop of "Are they or aren't they." I'll wait and see to make a final decision on who to vote on. I'm not fully convinced on who we should be voting on. Especially considering how things have been going.

 

unvote: Jayn

vote: Burnitup

 

Vote: burnitup

skull joke makes a good point. it's late in the game, we need to start agreeing on who to off. if we get a no lynch today, it's basically a freebie for the mafia, and we can't really afford to lose out on any chances.

 

WHOA GUYS!

While I agree that he wasn't being helpful, I am saying right now just like I said about Jiku in my post: I implore you not to rush into a Hard Lynch before everyone gets a chance to say something! I'm one of the most active members in the game and even I haven't come to a full decision yet and we left a lot of people out with the last Hard Lynch by not giving them the time to reply. Please don't do this.