Mafia [Mafia] The Book of Names ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

@Midnight Star that log is gonna be really helpful. Thank you.

As for @Mish I want to know why you think al and I are on opposite sides because we voted for each other on day one. That really doesn't prove a thing since everyone is blind on day one.

 

1. I believe that you are mafia.
2. Al voted for you, and kept his vote on you towards the end of the day, when both you and Moksha were at soft lynch -1. You could have easily taken Moksha's place as a lynchee.
3. If I am correct and you are mafia, a fellow mafia would not risk a teammate like that.

 

That's actually what I've been thinking a bit too. Like with what I said with the latter part of day one, my suspicion was on how she was acting. It's kinda similar to how she is now, acting one step ahead of everyone, but probably to make sure people don't think it's her.

Of course, on the opposite side of that coin, I don't think anyone who is in the mafia would be that obvious.

 

About al not unvoting Cat~ when she was close to being lynched, I think it would have been a little suspicious if he had. Maybe he didn't unvote because it would have brought attention to him and Cat.

Right now my mafia reads are...

• Spike: This one is mainly a hunch as there's not much to go off of, I just think it's possible he's mafia.
• KeyToTruth12: Hasn't contributed much and mainly just throw around votes without much explanation and wagon on other people's votes while saying as little as possible.
• Cat~: I agree with Mish's reasonings. Her actions have come off as self-preservative. I feel like she is mostly just commenting on things. She hasn't posted any of her reads yet either.

I think definite townies are Midnight and Mish. They're both very helpful and contribute to the group.

 

I'm also starting to suspect Cat, some very valid comments have been made against her. On top of this my own observations have been that on the first day she made a lot of excuses and was very defensive. That doesn't necessarily mean she's Mafia though as several people (including me) make excuses on first day and she was being suspected then so it makes sense for her to be defensive. Also she said she didn't think Moksha was mafia but this was pretty much after the soft lynch was down with no time to go so his fate was pretty much sealed. Possibly covering her back? That again might be wrong but with the other case against her, it makes me suspect her a bit.

Also if you check my thing, I added a log of Zelda's posts on there. Possible buddying with Cat? I'm not 100% how buddying works though.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MymtphqgUQQmlakk7BU4An3YHhd0LJIQqmlP3Py2oOQ/edit?usp=sharing

 

Buddying, to me, is when two (or more) people seem like they're teaming up and defending each other or acting casual with each other. If you're a townie, you have no reason to be doing this with someone as you have no idea who is mafia and who isn't. Mafia know who is on their side and can buddy and come to the aid of their team. That's why I see buddying as a mafia tell.

 

Okay, here are my Mafia reads.

• Zelda -> seems *very* shocked when I voted her. I think she is buddying with Cat~ too.
• Cat~ -> Silly joke posts from day 1, things have gotten awkward. Posting lots of excuses too, telling that she is bad in day one. (courtesy of Midny's logs. Good job on those logs!)

Well, I suck at building cases and such. Hopefully those will help the town. Hopefully. I mean, what if I got lynched? The thought just scares the heck outta me. Or am I just being dramatic?

Nevertheless, for now I'm sticking with Cat~, maybe it'll draw some attention. Maybe.

 

I think is is an interesting take on things. I don't think it was random. I agree with what Trigger and Cat said about the kill. Judge already hat his detective hat on from day one, and I think that's why he was killed. He was a valuable town member.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I've had suspicions about Cat~ since the game started. Partly because of her behavior at the beginning of the game I mentioned day one, as well as my gut. I don't read Al as Mafia, but Judge was right in saying they share the same behavior to an extent.

My Mafia reads so far are
Cat: For reasons that were mentioned by Mish and myself, I don't think I have to go over it again
KeyToTruth: Key makes a lot of posts that are rash. One example is that he said Judge was his most Mafiaish choice, when I'm sure it was clear to everyone Judge was definitely a Townie. He also has been relying on a lot of his hunches, and there is nothing wrong with that in moderation. But when using that as a reason to vote for people, it worries me. Just because if Key is Mafia, then it's harder to build a case for other people because he knows he's the guilty one. Do you know what I mean? Sorry if that doesn't make much sense, but I can't really put it into words. Maybe someone can help me out haha.
Al: Al is also coming on my radar, just because his behavior is similar to Cat. I'm not really sure. I don't get a townie vibe from Al, but at the same time I'm kind of "eh" about him being Mafia.

I'm pretty sure Mish is town. She's been very helpful. I'm glad other people think so XD After the last game of being 100% Sure Maru was town and being wrong, I'm starting to doubt myself haha. [DOUBLEPOST=1416848332][/DOUBLEPOST]

I realized I just kind of contradicted myself whoops. I meant "I don't entirely read Al as Mafia." Again as I stated in my reads, for me he's kind of sitting inbetween Mafia and Town.

 

What? People are suspicious of me? Awesome! <- sarcasm

I was just being dramatic XD I even typed out the "gasp".

I got my own tab, I'm flattered. I'm not buddying with Cat, or with anybody. I just don't want to lynch people with little to no evidence. However, as of today, ya'll seem to have found something to jump on, so there's that. And now the log.

1. "excuse?" Actually, no. I have trouble putting things into words. I was trying to figure out how since I didn't feel I had posted enough, so when I saw your post, it was exactly what I had been trying to say (minus the random vote, I had already done that), and it'd be silly to just say it again. So yeah, maybe it was an excuse.
2. "Votal & defended Cat, "Cat doesn't feel like mafia to me" and said Tummer had voted for her for a silly reason" But I also said that "nobody's done anything to make me think evil so far" and he had voted for a silly reason. He gave a better reason later.
3. "Basically said tummer's response wasn't good enough reason" I guess that wasn't clear but I was talking about how I still didn't see anyone as mafia. (Also, the 'ok' was for his reason)
4. voting Mok There wasn't a reason. I typed the first name that came to mind.

 

For me, it seems like Zelda and Cat really do have something together. While part of me still think Cat is acting a bit too obvious and can just be a red herring, Zelda seems like to be a good person to balance her out. I kind of think that Al is the third mafia, for reasons stated in various previous posts. I mean, with the previous round, the only reason Cat wasn't lynched was because of the last minute vote. I kind of wonder what would happen if things were different.

##Vote: Cat~

 

Everyone has made good points on Cat~ that I find myself in agreement with. I'm with you guys on that one. I'm considering KeyToTruth as well as many of you, but I'm thinking about this. Key has already got a vote on Cat. In fact, he's one of the only two people who have actually voted at this stage, the other one being Mish. I'm not getting a Mafia vibe from Mish, I just think he's a fairly aggressive townie in terms of throwing down votes but I do get something weird off Key. His votes have been well... Pretty unfounded for the most part and I'd almost say that it's desperate grasping at straws. To me, it looks like he's trying to gain favour with everyone and promote his "town-ness" by seemingly aggressively seeking out "Mafia" on his "Hunches". He's already admitted to be bad at case building, but the problem is there's seemingly no basis for any of them and there hasn't even been an explanation for what gave him certain impressions anyway. A hunch has to start off from something, even small right? We haven't seen anything at all.

Assuming Cat~ is Mafia, I believe it would be safe to say that Key is not. The fact that he's already got a vote on Cat~ is a somewhat risky play in the current environment because people are expressing a lot of doubts on Cat~ so leaving that vote there has the potential to foolishly get his team-mate killed. Now, this could be part of a fairly complex play in order to make him seem innocent, but that feels just far fetched to me. I'd be cautious with voting him at this current time based on that. it could be just that his play style differs from the perhaps conventional means that the majority of us are taking. I would suggest keeping a very careful eye on his votes though. Depending on what way Cat~ flips in the end, I'll deal with Key. I'm just confused by him in a way because there doesn't seem to be any real rhyme or reason to him other than questionable hunches that seem to have dead ended in every case. I think that the only reason that he'll stick with a vote is because of popular opinion. The way I see it, he puts a vote on me at the very start of the day because of a hunch. It seems really weird to me that he doesn't even provide even a post or two of mine to suggest what gave him that impression.

This has already been addressed, mentioning that he felt Judge Sunrose (Clearly Town at the time and later proven town by death) was most Mafia. There's one line here that has really got me though.

"I'll list my reasons why when I get back from school."

Where are those reasons? It's pretty hard to justify a very town person being Mafia and providing Moksha as an offset to Judge is actually beneficial for him if he's Mafia. A way out of the park suggestion with Judge, and a more reasonable, popular one with Moksha who wasn't being very helpful at the time I think we can all agree. If he was Mafia, he'd be well aware of Moksha being Town and by following that popular line of thought, he could easily dispose of a town member and the Judge thing could in theory be passed off as a silly error. Except two errors in the same post? Seems a little too much. There's too much popular opinion being followed which under most circumstances would be fine, but there is a distinct lack of additions on to cases, or even opinions on why he agrees with popular cases. Looking at everyone who has voted, for the most part we have all at least said I agree with X's point before voting but otherwise it just seems blind.

If we lynch Cat~ and she turns out to be town, then I'd like to see a case followed up on Key. Even if Cat~ flips Mafia, I'll still be keeping an eye on Key. It's the lack of reasoning on anything, and any reasons are "hunches" which seem to be frankly baseless. Sure, we all have our theories and they turn out wrong sometimes (see me with Hyuge in Mr E's), but still...

In reference to the more current issue of Cat~

##Vote: Cat~

If we're going to go through with the lynch we need to get the vote total on her to be at least Soft Lynch + 1 just in case we get a surprise vote dropout and if it's possible without Hammering her, Soft Lynch + 2 (I don't keep up with the vote maths very well). That will ensure a vote so that even if the two other Mafia drop out (assuming they vote) we will still get a lynch. If they do that, then we'll have a nice idea of who those individuals might be.[DOUBLEPOST=1416853830][/DOUBLEPOST]Note: I also have a theory on the Mafia that I am going to keep under wraps for now. I'll explain at the end of the day or when applicable today.[DOUBLEPOST=1416853945][/DOUBLEPOST]I should also add that I have no idea on a third suspect at the moment, rather I'm focusing on what jumps out to me the most.

 

Enough Snow for Snowballs

• Cat~ - 4 (Mish, KeyToTruth12, Risky Biznu, al215)

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 4 to soft-lynch. Day ends Tuesday, November 25th, 7:00 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).

 

Okay, bearing in mind it takes 6 to Hammer, I want a MAXIMUM of one more vote placed. However, it may be prudent to only do that at the end of the day just to avoid the risk of a nasty accident with a sneaky unvoter.

When does the day end?[DOUBLEPOST=1416858092][/DOUBLEPOST]Addition: It may also be wise to keep it at four for now just so we don't get any 'accidental' hammers. I wouldn't put it past the Mafia to pull such a move off and a confused townie might well make the same error.

 

Can I just point out that I didn't mean to make you sound like Mafia, I just wanted to sum up your posts and see what the end result looked like.
1. Excuse isn't necessarily a bad thing, hell it was my post you quoted and I've probably made more than you.
2. True, I never said he hadn't but in your post you did defend Cat, I was just summarising your post.
3. Yeah, I had trouble working out what you meant there, sorry if that was wrong

But yeah, if I do a log of you it doesn't mean you are Mafia, it just makes it easier for people to look at all your posts and make their mind up. Also it gets a response from you like this, which is good and probably helps clarify things. I'll be honest, you still may seem a little suspicious to me but I've not fully made up my mind.

 

I forgot to vote Cat in my post, so I might as well be that Maximum of one more vote placed XD

##Vote: Cat~

 

I think you missed al215's post:

Also day ends Tuesday, November 25th, 7:00 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).

 

Oh.... >.> For some reason, I thought the end of the day was today. My mistake. I also didn't see the double post. Sorry guys. I'll just wait till then XDD

##Unvote: Cat

 

Oh. Okay.

 

@Cat~ you are our sole target today, it seems. Would you like to take the opportunity to defend yourself?

@Zelda what is your opinion on Cat's alignment?

@Spike post pls![DOUBLEPOST=1416873132][/DOUBLEPOST]Spike hasn't been online since Saturday - we may need a replacement?

 

The more points made, the more I think she could be mafia. She hasn't exactly done anything to make me think otherwise, though.
And tummer saying she acts one step ahead of everyone, I actually kinda got that feeling from her response to my vote Day 1. i just didn't know how to bring it up, and now we're here. /cries
[DOUBLEPOST=1416874897][/DOUBLEPOST]what did it do to my post