Mafia [Mafia] Mr. E's Murder Mystery at Misty Mountain Manor ~ GAME OVER (EVERYONE'S A WINNER!)

You don't need to fear death.

You don't need to fear death if you are town. Every lynch gives us more information than a night kill.

You now believe Spike is mafia, when just yesterday you said:

But have since stopped talking about hyuge as a likely Mafia, who should be looking more like Mish's buddy, and has crucified you personally for 'throwing her under the bus'. Spike hasn't posted between then and now, but hyuge has. Please explain what changed your opinion between these posts?

 

Place your bets people

• Trigger - 3 (Makaze, al215, Mish)
• Mish - 1

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 4 to soft-lynch. Day ends Tuesday, November 18th, 7:00 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).

 

honestly marushi didn't really give me a mafia vibe before but after catching up and reading everyone's thoughts, i'm starting to see the case against her. she has been quite contradictory with her opinions on ppl and mafia reads i kinda feel like she's trying to play both sides of the court yk? if something goes awry on one side she can switch and get off scott free

in regards the ppl's thoughts on mafia buddies, i'm not too sure who she's buddying up with. i don't really think it's you, and my suspicion of mish is faltering, so i honestly don't have an idea about who it is. i want to say someone inactive like spike, but he hasn't even been here to build a buddy case between them lol

i think that spike should be lynched tbh he isn't really adding anything to town so it won't be a huge loss to lose him, and if he's mafia then even better. i'm not going to vote him now to see if my vote is needed elsewhere

 

I forgot to put this in my last post, but

##Vote: Trigger

 

@Calxiyn, you responded, but you missed this. I know I messed up the tag, but Mak had retagged you after. If you say something about it, that would be great since your last post talked about both Trigger and Mish.

 

I knew I forgot something, sorry Hyuge!

I think the case against Mish is fairly strong, but the one against Trigger is a lot stronger. I'd go for Trigger, just because I think there's more of a steady case against him. The developments with Mish are fairly new, while Trigger has been acting a suspicious from the beginning of the game.

 

@Trigger: Please keep your promise today, and give your opinions on the hyuge and Marushi cases.[DOUBLEPOST=1416177023][/DOUBLEPOST]

He is town until proven otherwise, at any rate. First there was the lack of defenses of his behavior and the easy soft lynch on Day 1, and now this. If you have a good reason to keep talking about him, please bring it forward; otherwise his towniness helps us with our process of elimination.

 

I don't have anything more to bring forward. If that's what you're doing with your process of elimination, fine. It's easy to narrow down and figure out who the mafia are. I was just casually reminding that (though I seriously doubt it since I find other people much more suspicious than Beau) that it could always be an act. I don't think so, I think he genuinely did not know, but still.

 

While it's true that I cut your conclusion that Beau is likely town from the quote, I fail to see how that is suspicious. Really, I agree that Beau is likely town. I probably cut it because I felt it was a foregone conclusion, but I don't really remember my reason, if I even had one. As for your intentions with bringing #121 to light, that makes a lot of sense. My misunderstanding was at fault with that one. I didn't realize you were drawing attention to the phrase "Keeping my eye on ___," I thought you were just noting that he mentioned Trigger and voted Beau. THAT was what I found a bit hypocritical. Your reasoning, however, now makes more sense. It was the conviction found in the wording without the follow-through on said conviction. Gotcha.

I can't say that I don't still find you suspicious in regards to your voting past soft-lynch. But I will say that I understand decisions made during the game might seem right until you look back later. Whether it was a townie accident or a mafia accident, only time will tell.

Again, my mistake here was I didn't realize you were focusing on the wording as opposed to the action. What I thought was hypocritical was you citing his vote as evidence when you voted the same way. Now that I understand what it was you were saying, I get it.

Not necessarily. It's more like my theory for Spike being Mafia relies on whether or not you are, not the other way around. Also, (although I will address this more thoroughly later) if I'm right and one of you is Mafia, this doesn't mean that I DEFINITELY BELIEVE the other to be so as well, and the same goes for if one of you is town.

People keep saying that I don't talk enough about Trigger, so I'm going to say this now once and for all: I think Trigger is very likely to be Mafia. Though there is always the chance that I'm wrong, this makes a lot of sense, and fits with all of the evidence. His unvoting for The Fuk?, then his revote, and the fact that I fell for it, secured The Fuk?'s lynch. And like I said, pulling from a vote even if you're sitting on a townie will still throw off the balance of votals and could save somebody else on the ballot. Considering that Spike was on the ballot, I could see how you would be suspicious. On that note, considering I'm the one who unvoted Spike, I really can see why Makaze would be suspicious of me, too.

Another thing that I've noticed is that Trigger practically dropped off the map when Makaze called for his town reads. It seems to me that a townie would have a little less to fear when called out than a member of the Mafia. But considering the fact that my responding seems to be just as suspicious as his silence, I don't know. My thoughts are that Trigger is probably Mafia, realized that he was being baited, and kept silent to protect his buddies. Does that include Spike? Does that include hyuge? does that include me? Does what we say in our defense even matter? Or is our fate already sealed? Tainted by association, I guess.

As for the exaggeration, I suppose that's fair enough. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things.

That's what I said to Calxiyn last game, and what a lot of people said to Beau.

Knowing something in your head and feeling it are two very different things. I know that my death would give you guys more information, and that I shouldn't be afraid of that. But bottom line is I still don't want to die. Is that selfish? Yes. It's very selfish. But it's how I feel. I'm trying not to let it control me or cloud my thoughts, but I still feel a part of it.

Okay, first off, there you go again. Either I think Spike IS town or I think Spike IS Mafia. I get that when you think something, you like to go whole-hog 100% absolutes, but not everybody works that way. I'm not the pendulum on a clock; where I'm either all the way to the right or to the left. If Trigger is Mafia (which looks very likely) it could be that Spike is Mafia too. If Spike is Mafia (which looks likely) then Mish probably isn't. If Mish is Mafia (which is looking less and less likely by the second) then hyuge could be too. If hyuge is Mafia (which I will address soon) I could be too. And if I'm Mafia, Trigger could be too. It's all a circle, everything is subjective to different people. I could try and circle everyone, but that would take too long and we're the ones people are focusing on. Are Claxiyn, al215, and Beau Mafia? If so, where do they fit into the circle? I don't have a 100% yes or no answer to give you on who is Mafia and who is town. I'm sorry, I just don't.

Secondly, the reason I haven't addressed hyuge yet is because I was late for church and couldn't continue writing when I posted, and I said as much. The reason I'm not placing much stock in hyuge being Mafia is because everything I found suspicious in hyuge was subjective to Mish's hypothetical scumminess. There are some suspicious things in Spike's case that are still there if you stand the case up alone. If you stand hyuge up on her own, the worst she's done is avoided posting for awhile, and coming against Makaze. Hyuge is most suspicious as a potential buddy for Mish. If Mish isn't Mafia, hyuge's case falls flat. And I said that. I said from the beginning that it was all hypothetical and subjective.

I did notice that hyuge said I threw her under the bus. Nothing changed my opinion on hyuge, nothing made me think Spike was more or less buddy-buddy with Mish than hyuge was. I had time to talk about Spike. I didn't have time to talk about hyuge. It's as simple as that.

Besides, I already told you that I was hoping to make Spike feel more secure in his position. It's hard to trap people into making mistakes if I explain so beforehand. It wasn't until I was under fire myself that I tried to show my reasoning.

With Spike and hyuge and what changed; in the first post, I started out thinking Spike was probably mafia buddying with Mish. As I wrote, however, I realized that if Mish was Mafia, it was unlikely she'd go as far as she was going to get Spike lynched. I then reasoned that if Mish was Mafia, it wasn't likely that Spike would be so as well. 'In between' that post and my next, everything I thought I knew about Mish was called into question. Maybe she's just as suspicious as I thought. Maybe I got it wrong. I don't know what to believe anymore. I have a million different theories and questions and guesses running through my head.

Maybe Mish IS Mafia and Spike is buddying with her. Maybe Mish IS Mafia and is shadowing Spike. Maybe Mish ISN'T Mafia and Spike IS a Mafia member and is taking advantage of her distraction. Maybe NEITHER of them are Mafia. Maybe Spike is buddying with Trigger. Maybe Mish is setting him up to LOOK like he's buddying with Trigger. Maybe Spike and Mish are both following each other and neither of them are Mafia buddying with anybody. Maybe they're BOTH Mafia and are working together.

IF they are BOTH Mafia, I thought Mish would be the one to target first. Now, with even MORE reason to think that Mish could be town, while things with Spike are looking more and more suspicious in regards to Trigger, I think Spike is more suspicious than hyuge, whose case relied mainly on Mish.

I was not dodging anything when I didn't address hyuge earlier. I was late.

I also don't know what all I remember to talk about and what all I forget. There's so much going on and so many sides of this that I don't get to everything that's asked of me. If I forget something, it's not because I'm ignoring it, it's because I've been sitting here typing for like an hour and I don't know if I've covered everything I meant to. And since my laptop is still messing up, I'm on the family computer and my little sister just called it after me, while I've had more than my fair share of a turn. I'll get back on as soon as I can. In the meantime, feel free to pick me to shreds. I've got nothing to hide.

So, what did I miss this time?

 

@Marushi, what are the orders for your scum reads from highest to lowest?

What scum teams make the most sense to you?

Who do you read town and why?

 

Will you pull the Trigger?

• Trigger - 4 (Makaze, al215, Mish, Calxiyn)
• Mish - 1 (Marushi)

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 4 to soft-lynch. Day ends Tuesday, November 18th, 7:00 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).

 

@Midnight Star for the record, it was Marushi who voted for me. You haven't stated that in your last two votals.

 

Sorry, I did originally put it in but it must have gone when I switched pages, serves me right for relying on the autosave feature I guess, I'll check that more carefully in future.

 

Making a note that Tigger was here about five minutes ago.[DOUBLEPOST=1416189142][/DOUBLEPOST]Trigger, Tigger. Same thing.

 

Alright, that's a really tall order. I'll try my best, but here's the deal, Makaze:

Such a thing would take a lot of research, and as it stands, I don't exactly have a lot of computer access right now. AND I have a lot of work to do tomorrow. AND I have jury duty on Tuesday. So I really will try my hardest, and I'll make sure to get you something even if I can't get you everything you asked for. But I can't promise anything.

And I know, saying this isn't going to help my case any. I'm on the chopping block and I don't expect to ease any suspicions with this post. But it's the honest-to-goodness truth, so I don't know what else to tell you. Sorry.

 

You're telling me you can't even rank your reads?

I'm not asking you to rewrite your whole cases...

 

On my phone because I felt this needed addressing: I'll most likely be able to get you ranked reads tomorrow. I need to organize my thoughts and my sister only agreed to give me a few minutes on the compy. It was everything else I was referring to when I said I couldn't promise anything.

 

I want your ranked scum reads and town reads. The scum team calculation can be discerned from the rest.[DOUBLEPOST=1416195656][/DOUBLEPOST]Actually, can you please say outright what you can't promise me? Your beating around the bushes is bad..

 

Half the votes are in and I think getting rid of Trigs at this point will probably be a waste, as in the information provided won't be as much as other people. There's a vote for Mish already, so I won't waste a vote there. If consolidating is necessary on Tuesday, I'll change my vote, but right now I am going to place it where I feel is deemed fit.

##Vote: Marushi

 

Tomorrow, I can try to give you ranked scum reads and town reads. With my newfound computer problems, I can't promise to give you scum teams or the "why" for my town reads. I'll try. But that's what I can't promise.

Quite frankly, as much as I love it, this game isn't as important as all the other stuff I have to do tomorrow. Believe me, I know how bad this looks. I would not be spending any less time here if I didn't have to. ESPECIALLY right now. But them's the breaks.