Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

@Cat~ I'm a little confused on what you mean about myself. I'm not sure why I would have an as you say "FAR easier time" identifying the vigilante if I was Mafia, and more specifically so Redirector, from what i've read of the role they're as plain as all other members, their opinion is part of the group, and as Nova said, apart from their power the mafia still takes part in the normal chats, so it doesn't really matter who the redirector is, the other mafia could weigh in on who they should redirect that night.

The other part is because i'm vocal I have a unique insight into all of you guys' bickering? I don't understand that part at all so some clarity would be great.

Other than myself in your post reading through what you've said and yeah all your points are pretty sound to myself, I agree with you that lost girl or whatever the hell she's called this fortnight's actions when Mish was outted are probably the most suspect.

What? isn't looking too good recently either, his establishment early game, and sudden dip in activity coupled with the fact he did as you say, drop the hammer at literally the last possible moment, which saved us from a no vote that day and gave us information in the long run, it was still an alarming moment when he so coldly voted for Cal.



I'd like to hear alot from Judge Sunrose, obviously he's replacing someone I was pressing quite hard during their time around here, and though that was a solo effort mostly, a fresh face to the role will certainly let us determine more clearly wether or not I was right to be suspect, or if my own efforts should be focused else where.


Bed time, back to play tomorrow.

 

Okay I'm gonna break this down as best as I can and then haul ass to get some r&r~

Well, anyone who's mafia already has a clear advantage in terms of identifying people. Being redirector gives you a bit of an extra edge because you could take a shot in the dark and see if anything you redirected actually had an effect on the game -- though that may not seem likely, maybe the mafia abstained from killing one night and the redirector just got lucky with guessing the vig? idk just spitballing some theories and hoping something sticks.
You're right that their opinion is part of the group, and a group of four others who can help dissect townie posts and figure out who the vig might be is certainly a help. However, my post wasn't really about the redirector acting as their own entity like the vig. My post was more about your second point of concern:

I mentioned in my last post that MoK being silent could give him a unique perspective on everyone's theories/ramblings, right? Same applies to the more vocal members. While silent players could detach themselves from conversations and look at it all objectively, someone who is actively participating in the discussions and calling people out would have a better chance of picking apart specific arguments. You can start conversations or you can call out certain people, and it seems less suspicious because you've been pretty active throughout the game. No one's gonna be too suspicious if you start interrogating and pushing harder because it's late in the game and because you've been doing it for a while already. Different play styles mean different perspectives.

I'm really sorry I've tried wording it better but the last sentence pretty much sums up my point on the latter. I mean, maybe I'm just trying to justify a hunch with no solid proof, but it's still something. I've been too quiet for too long and while it may be late, I want to try and fix that.

 

Honestly, all four of them (Cat, BtD, TB and Moksha) are all four people I was thinking of. I considered What as well. In the end, there isn't a conclusive deciding factor as to why I chose MoK was because I was pissed off at the time in general and he was the first person that popped into my head when I said to myself "quiet ones". If I were to relook at it, honestly, Bite the Dust is the most suspicious one to me. I'm not voting for him yet but I am unvoting: Moksha because I needed a day to reflect on my accusations and I feel, at this point, Mok isn't as suspicious as he was for me in the heat of the moment.AND AT LEAST HE RESPONDED TO ME WHEN I TAGGED HIM.

 

So I'm the first thing that comes to mind when your pissed?

 

No, you were the first thing that comes to my head when I think of the "Quiet ones"

 

Oh, in that case it makes perfect sense

 

are you being sarcastic because I can't tell

 

I'm being serious

 

MRW

 

Cat~ has raised very interesting points, and while I'm mostly inclined to agree with her, I'd like a second opinion on the matter. I just want to see if I'm not the only one who thinks she might be on to something here, y'know.

For instance, up until now, I had the feeling that Vivi was town, but this got me rethinking a lot of my first impressions...

Also, I just realized, in fact, that we're not accounting for Mish already being confirmed Mafia when building our prediction lists. This means it'd be safer and much more informative to try and narrow it down to a "3 suspects + Mish" formula instead of "4 suspects, not counting Mish" lol.

 

No that's fine, you're a bit clearer now, I get what you mean, I see why you'd maybe consider me. Obviously only I know my role so I know that i'm town, but others have to form their own opinion on me until my player card is turned over at the end. At this point in the game though i'd say it's unwise to go with hunch's you have no solid proof about, we're running very low on our townies, hunches could cost us the game at this point, build a firm case on someone and present it.

 

So let's see if I get this straight. To recap, the Mafia already knows the Vig's identity, correct? We can't tell for sure how exactly that happened -- well, at least I can't; maybe they got really lucky some Night, or maybe there was a certain tell throughout the game that gave it away (I swear, I've quadruple checked the posts).

Anyway, my question is, what's the point in keeping the Vig a secret?

"What in the world are you suggesting, Judge, are you crazy? No... I get it, it's all a Mafia scheme to draw out the Vig! Hey everyone, I've found another one, let's lynch him!"

Now hold on a minute, anonymous accuser. We should all know the obvious by now: At the very least, the Redirector knows their ID, so at the end of the day get it the rest of the Mafia will have already learned it as well and will swiftly move in for the kill. From my perspective, we gain two things by having them come out: The first is that we won't have to worry about commiting the worst mislynch possible. Think about it, one of our biggest objectives today is "avoid lynching the Vig at all costs" so we don't have to waste a turn on Mish, right? The second thing is simply a town confirmation. One less potential suspect for us to worry about.

All that said, I need people to voice their opinions on this, mostly because it's about making public a big role such as the Vig's, and I don't have the power to convince them on my own.

 

I agree with Judge here. Honestly, since the redirector (and consequently, the mafia) already knows the identity of the vig, there really isn't any point in hiding it anymore.

Our goal here is to find and eliminate as many mafiosi as possible while we still can. We've decided on Mish, and it'd be nice to narrow down the list of suspects. Lucky guess or not, they've already found you out. Best to follow Mak's lead and be open.

 

The only problem with that is the validity in what the person says, I get where you're coming from with it and yeah, it would seem that the Vig is known to at least 1 mafia member and as you said, probably the rest by the end of the day/night cycle. But as the town, we have no proof until the person's card is flipped on if they're saying the truth, one person could come out as the vigilante, and then another one claims they are lying and it's them, it would throw more confusion into the mix as the vig can't prove who they are like The Watcher can with evidence.

As i've said, we need to decide on if we'll take the safe route and lynch Mish today, but we then don't have a target for the vigilante tonight unless they take an educated guess at someone.

 

Well, no one really came out against Makaze's claim that he was the Watcher. It might have been because it was Makaze and no one really wanted to lie and draw suspicion, but I feel like the only people who would lie about being a certain role would be mafia just because it'd draw votes away from them for the day.

I dunno, I still think we should know. If more than one confession comes up, I highly doubt it'd be from an ordinary townie.

 

Yeah that's what I'm saying, we need to be careful though as we can't operate under an assumption that person A: claims to be Vig, then Person B: claims to be Vig, because A said it first we can't assume that must mean B is lying. It might not happen, but im just preparing people for what i've seen happen before in some other games i've read over.

 

I don't think that revealing the identity of the vigilante would help much. If anything if might just give the mafia someone to keep an eye on.

 

I need to expand upon this post later. Work catches up.

Let me address a number of things beforehand.

One, I apologize for such a gigantic dip in activity.

Two, regarding the vote for Cal:

It was most definitely done out of the possibility of avoiding a no-lynch, for very clear reasons: even the possibility of voting Cal would be preferable to not being able to achieve a vote whatsoever. The reason I was unable to add anything else would be clear from my formatting of the post and the time the post was made: we had an extremely short deadline until the vote closed, and I had to post from my phone without having time to edit the post or add anything else that need not be said. The fact that this is causing suspicion is reasonable, but questionable.

Three, regarding the Mafia:

Excluding Mish, my current choices of the Mafia are Cat, Vivi, and Hyuge. Hyuge appears to be the biggest perpetrator, in my opinion. Her voting patterns, her reactions, and her particular suggestions towards certain inclinations appear to support this overall, and last day's suspicious activity appeared to implicate her further. The activity and past voting patterns of Cat and Vivi have also been questionable, especially through the most recent posts of today. I have a big test tomorrow, so I will try my best to gather as much evidence as I can, though do not be surprised if suspicions change as a result.

Four, I do not feel comfortable with the vigilante suddenly revealing themselves. Seeding discord and mistrust by way of it is equally viable and the fact that this is becoming such an open topic of acceptance is rather concerning. I have an eye on Judge for it. But the agreement is what is more threatening all in all. Things may change. Do not reveal yourself yet, vigilante.

Vote: Hyuge[DOUBLEPOST=1410979289][/DOUBLEPOST]Add-on to the post, not edit.*

 

Alright, let's get this ball rolling, we only have a day.

Vote: Bite The Dust

Quiet enough to draw little suspicion, here enough to fully pay attention to the game and delve deep into the members strategies and character traits. Your posts never really contribute and you're not really a force that houses a strong opinion, because maybe you feel it being picked apart as your facade as town being revealed. Your nature and approach to the game has given me little choice at this point but to vote for you.

Clock's tickin' chaps.[DOUBLEPOST=1410980113][/DOUBLEPOST]Note: I do not know how active I can be tomorrow, as you may know I'm Scottish, and it's kind of a big deal tomorrow. So I'm gonna try and sorta shed my light on things for this day cycle as much as possible tonight, if anyone wants something of me, ask it today if you please.[DOUBLEPOST=1410980334][/DOUBLEPOST]Fear* not feel, my apologies.

Damn no edits.

 

I'm the vigilante.