Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

ALRIGHTY THEN, big news, mostly for me(?)

Apparently, there are and have only ever been FOUR mafiosi, as opposed to what I assumed were five. Soooo, try to disregard MOST of what I said. Those lists I requested are still very much welcome, only now the number has indeed come down to 4.

Carry on with your delightful evenings, gents. I apologize for the disturbance.

 

It doesn't matter, I am not going to use the outside-of-thread you as an alibi. You have added little information in regards to this game. And when people ask you to, you pull the "I'm a fill in" card. I'm a fill in too... do you see me pulling that card? Hell I forgot I was a fillin.

 

When I have ever used the "fill in" card, I can't use something I didn't know was a thing.

 

Well that was unexpected turn.

All right, so I know a few of you are suspicious of me, probably even more so after the way yesterday/last night ended up, so you can take what I say with a grain of salt; but I want to add my two cents real quick.

[[ short post is short -- at work atm. ]]

I know for the most part we've all kinda thought Haya - kun was town, but the way he started jumping on the Vigilante topic sort of bothers me. Granted there hasn't been a lot of discussion as of yet, but that was pretty much the first thing he said -- vig this, vig that. Which makes me believe he is one of two things, mafia or vigilante; and it's okay to say that at this point because the mafia now knows who the vigilante is. I'm leaning more towards the former than the latter, but that's what's on my mind. It's true that we should try to find another mafia member this day cycle and leave Mish to the Vigilante as the Redirector will not be able to stop him/her this time, but it was just the way he was going about saying that bothered me.

So yeah. That's what I got for now. I'll try to post something later when I'm off, but likely it will be some time tomorrow.

 

4, but you already know ;p

Anyway, so far my suspicions lie most on:

Moksha: Short posts with little information don't contribute to the Town's objectives. Not contributing to the Town's objectives is instantly synonymous with having no need to, due to different objectives. Definitely Mafia if you ask me.

Hyuge (currently known as Killian Jones):

I'll acknowledge her with this post as well.

I jumped on the Vigilante topic because, as has already been discussed, the Redirector clearly knows who the Vigilante is (look at the results of the last night: two Townies slain when there was pretty much a consensus of the Town to have Mish killed. This means that the Vigilante is going to die soon; the Vigilante is the second method for Town to kill off Mafia members. Clearly the next target of the Mafia now that they know who it is.

The idea that I'm Mafia because I want make the Vigilante as useful as possible before Mafia takes that member out sounds defensive to me.

TwilightBlader: His responses feel sloppy to me, like he doesn't feel at risk of Lynch or Mafia attention...all I have on him right now.

Bite the Dust: Cryptic is the best way to describe this member's behavior in the game so far. Cryptic does not help the Town figure out what to do, as if this member doesn't want us to better organize and plan out our actions to win the game.

Also, guys, The Reporter and The Watcher are both already dead, and we don't know who has the Bulletproof Vest, so with the Vigilante soon to be dead, we need The Tracker to help us identify people...but at the same time, that could bring Mafia attention...this is a really risky period of the game.

 

My lack of contributing has more to do with me self doubting myself. Why say anything if it won't help, least that's how I see whatever I could say.

 

It's contributing to discussion, saying nothing at all is worse than saying something useless. If you choose to only put in comments saying "why say anything if it won't help" it doesn't help the town. How would we know if you really are on the town side? When you choose to be silent, it is only a benefit to you. And that isn't being a team player for the town.

 

It wasn't defensive and I'm not saying you are mafia, just that it seemed weird. We already know the extent of what the Vigilante will be able to do tonight. The only way the Vig wouldn't be useful is if the mafia managed to get the Vig lynched during the day cycle which would be unfortunate. That's why I thought your pressure on the Vig to be motivated and effective seemed odd, because the Vigilante should be well aware of what they need to do.

@Moksha, you need to say something or you'll just end up policy lynched for being useless. We need your opinions. Yes, you are an enigma when it comes to posting, but you're required to give some sort of opinion or you will end up dead. It's not that hard to come up with a list of names. Who is the most suspicious to you?

 

At moment I am curious about What?...he hasn't posted in quite the while and just randomly popped in to vote for Cal (although this was most likely due to the avoidance of a no lynch). Even so he hasn't been posting as much and whether this is just a strategy or something coming up in real life...well thats to think about...

 

Now I get where you're coming from with this, but why have you decided to go for Moksha instantly? we have a few quiet ones, Cat, BtD, Twilightblader and more recently What? have been quite quiet, i'd say Moksha is as iffy as any of them right now[DOUBLEPOST=1410886942][/DOUBLEPOST]To add, if you have a legitimate reason for any of the members I just mentioned as to where you see their alignment please share, it'd be great to start collecting opinions on members as a group, and see if there's a consensus on who to vote off the island.

 

Your cooperation is much appreciated, pal. I was just left wondering in what way do you see TB's particular sloppiness manifesting itself. Perhaps you could pull up one or two quotes that stood out to you, to better clarify your point?

Hypothetically speaking, what motivation would you imagine he'd have if it were indeed some form of strategy? What I know is that other players have placed their trust in What?'s innocence, and they make good points about it too. Lastly, what's your take on Haya and his suspicion of you?

still curious about @Cat~ 's top 4

 

I'll post my top four when I'm on an actual computer. It'll be in here in a few hours.

 

Well, in terms of What? it could be a way to fade away from attention, but at the same time it wouldn't be a particularly great strategy considering the quiet ones draw the most suspicion. My main thoughts are that What? is merely just busy or something, but its still good to keep him in mind and it would only benefit if we get some discussion from him.

As for what Haya said I can agree with that as I haven't really said anything of real benefit, mostly only posting when I'm brought up. Its more of the case that I really don't want to bandwagon, as most case I read a post and am like "well thats reasonable..." then instantly change next post....so my posts are a not that great attempt at noting anything that hasn't been brought up...or just my hunches...

 

And how much contributing have you done in the past two days. I've gone back and look through your post and most of them were you trying to get the silent people to talk and nothing more. Sure you've done more speaking then me, but if you want the town to win so badly then why concern yourself with those who aren't talking. Instead it would be better for you to aid in trying to get them to win.

Vote: Cstar

Its possible that you were calling out the other quiet people as a way to avoid looking suspicious.

 

So I take it we've decided to leave Mish to the Vigilante tonight as this time they can't be stopped?

 

Spoiler: DAY 5: SILENCE OF THE SHEPHERDS...

...AND THE LAMBS

 

finally a big post as promised
Okay, so after going back through the past two meta-days or so, my top four suspects (in order of suspicion) would have to be:

@Killian Jones (hyuge)
So for this I'm gonna have to quote (and splice) one of Mak's posts from a number of pages ago:

Before the Mish revelation I was almost certain that Hyuge was a townie, but I did go back and see that Huyge double posted just to vote Mish here and unvoted her (albeit after a bit of prodding from Mak) less than ten minutes later -- also a protip for y'all, if you want to see when a post was made from the earlier pages, just roll over the date and the exact time will pop up. I feel like timing can be a tell in certain scenarios, and at this point it'd be best to try shooting for another mafia so the vig can take out Mish in the night.

This is my strongest suspicion by far. I'm not nearly as certain about anyone else, and unless I am thoroughly convinced otherwise I know exactly where my vote is going.


@Jiηx (Vivi's Dark Side)
I'm also just a tad bit suspicious of Vivi, but those suspicions lean less toward his being an ordinary mafioso and more towards Redirector. For some reason, I get the strange sense that being so vocal has given him a unique perspective on all our bickering. He has mentioned some of the less vocal members on a few occasions, which is seen by most of us as a mafia tactic, and if he knows who the other mafia are then it'd be FAR easier for him to split the vig from the townies.
Because I'm not 100% sure I'm gonna double check with @ars nvoa about this. Since the Redirector is a mafia-aligned role, do they participate in the nighttime chats/know the identities of the other mafiosi?

@cstar
I can kind of relate to Mok in terms of his reasons for being quiet, and while I get that it'd be much better to speak up, this:

Gets me thinking. I've been a fairly silent observer for quite a bit of this game, but sometimes being silent works out for the town. So long as you speak up when you genuinely think you have a lead, it should be fine. Sometimes taking a step back and observing everyone's interactions can give you a different take on certain posts than if that person had been replying to you. In my eyes, saying "why say anything if it won't help" actually leads me to believe that he's just a reluctant townie. With so much at stake, I can understand why he might see staying silent as the best option. If he's town and speaks up only to find more people responding in this way, it might lead to his lynch and the end of the game.

Saying nothing seems just a tad bit safer than saying something stupid. It's not like we're really going after the quiet folks in this game anyway -- hell, if anything this game's been all about the exact opposite! Mok also makes an excellent point that you've only been slightly more vocal than we have, and it's mostly just been for the sake of calling out the silent observers.

@What?
I get that he's busy with school, I really do, but he literally came in AT THE LAST MINUTE to guarantee that Cal was lynched without another word on his post. I had always grouped Cal in with Mak and Marushi as being vocal townies, and seeing that vote seal her fate just rubbed me the wrong way. If he's mafia, what he did was both clever and practical. If he's town, the least he could've done is take a second to double post a short statement. Like, is that really so hard?

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Some other people might strike me as odd, but I haven't really gone through enough of their posts to form a logical prejudice. May take the time to do that tomorrow.
Also apologies if some of my thoughts here are scattered/hard to understand. I've spent well over an hour and a half reading through the thread and formulating my opinions, and I'm not running on very much sleep.

 

The Redirector is, in all respects aside from their power, an ordinary Mafiosi. So yes.

 

swiggity swip thanks for the tip​

So yeah, consider me quite suspicious of Vivi...