Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

Surprisingly reasonable given your track record. Can you explain why you bought my case on hyuge when it was the same as the one on you?

 

This was your case against Hyuge, which I was not referencing in my post by the way, rather, I was talking about Murashi.

1. I have advocated for discussion because the thread was a bit dead. I've also called on What because he has not posted in a while and he has the most impressive logic I've seen so far. Advocating for discussion is not just a cover for the Mafia, I mean, Marushi has been doing the same thing, asking people to post. We need discussion so we can properly lynch people, it isn't //always// a case of a cover.
2. You say that Hyuge is not practicing what she preaches though I have most of the time.
3. I didn't out your role, so that doesn't work very well against me.
4. I've voted with explanations though my logic can be a tad bit flawed at times, I still have put a lot of my own reasoning behind them.
5. I've also posted my unvotings of people with reasonable explanations.
6. I've been defending myself where defense is needed, as in, right about now. I haven't tried to defend my role without someone questioning me about it first

I have a feeling most of these questions are not being made to lynch me per say but just to get a reaction out of me and see if I can give you any more hints about my role, which I thought would be very clear since the game began but alas.

In short, your case against Hyuge doesn't work in my case, because I haven't been doing any of those things.

 

Very well.

Your role is still unclear. Marushi has some valid points about your insistence that you look up to us as people you know to be town. That kind of stuff butters us up but doesn't do anything aside from that. Makes a lot of sense as a mafia tactic. I don't have any better cases. You were also on Mish's list of town-likes. You are as odd as hyuge, but there's one problem hyuge doesn't have. What you did makes no sense as a town move but does make sense as a mafia move. Most of hyuge's bad actions don't make sense for either.

Carry on.[DOUBLEPOST=1410476636][/DOUBLEPOST]p.s. ars nvoa wins this.

I don't have the patience to let this game go.

 

Don't bet on it, I'm more of a quiet observer until I have something worth saying

Seeing as how I was voted for, I might as well give a response. As stated in my earlier quote I do more observing than actually throwing my ideas out in the open. That said most of the people that I would say that I find suspicious are the ones that others have already thought as suspicious. So I don't have any reason of my own to believe them to be suspicious.

 

I've tried that and it's only brought me (and now you) into the spotlight. Y'gotta share your thoughts with the Town if you actually want to be seen as one of the Town.

 

Haya is right.

We can't have anyone on the side lines today. If you're going to play it's best to actually play.

 

Alright, I'm back. A lot of interesting reactions here. Let's see how well I can get my points across, in the order to which these posts were presented me.

Thank you, hyuge. I have no further questions for you at this time.

What do I think about TwilightBlader? I think there are some very legitimate strikes against him, but so far not many that are worth voting him today when there are so many other things to be learned. Most of the tells he displays could be a part of his norm... or they could not. I shall be keeping an eye on him.

So you do not need to be hammered for a misquote. This makes sense. I shall provide the following:

So yes, not several times. Just twice. And I admit that you don't out and out say that you find her suspicious, but if you think she's town, why bring it up at all? I might be reading too much into this, but you have the habit of saying that you think someone is town only to follow it up with reasons they aren't.

You ask what else I want you to say in your defense. There is nothing else I want you to say. Your general reaction is what I was going for. You tell me you've placed all your cards on the table. Very well. But you then say you assume your defense will go unheard and you will be lynched. The only defense you have actually presented is "I am town and when I die you will see that." I'm not blaming you for this, sometimes people genuinely don't have any proof. But you are getting ahead of yourself. You only have three votes, and I've already said that I don't want to lynch you today. In fact, I don't want to lynch you tomorrow. I want to wait, and if you can keep calm and show yourself to be town, then you're off the hook. If you keep making mistakes that paint you in a bad light, then maybe I'd want to lynch you day after tomorrow. You have plenty of time, if you keep your head. If you panic, you run the risk of losing everything.

That is all I have to say about that. Any other questions?

Now on to Jinx.

Alright, for clarity, the three different points you make are bolded about Princess, italicized for default, and underlined for BtD Cat and Hayabusa.

First, the bolded part about Princess.

You say "what I meant with beau was that it would have benefited mafia if he was mod killed because he left, as mafia would know he was town anyway, so they would try to push a vote for someone else that day as it would mean if beau was mod killed and not replaced then by lynching someone else that day, they get rid of two spots."

This is exactly my point. You say that Princess voted to not lynch the empty slot as a Mafia member so the mafia could push to lynch another townie while Beau's spot was mod lynched. But Princess knew that Midnight was going to take the empty slot. This was part of the reason he suggested we leave the slot unlynched. He didn't think it would be a mod kill. He said to let Midnight come in and try her hand. He said that Beau leaving made more sense as a townie move than a Mafia move. He said to let Midnight play, and if she seemed town, it would confirm Beau, and if she seemed Mafia, then we lynch her. Your case against Princess makes no sense considering that your entire reasoning is based on the chance that he wanted to empty spot mod-lynched. This is the exact opposite of what he suggested. Every reason presented as a strike against Princess actually only serves to confirm his alignment. I think Princess is a townie with a good head on his shoulders and the potential to think of a smart solution to an obvious problem, as was proven with Beau.

Now to the italicized part regarding default. You misunderstand my point. You could not possibly have known he was the reporter as either the town or the Mafia. But when I say "He acts like he's not town," and you follow with "That would make him the reporter," no other questions asked, no other theorizing, it shows that you know he's not Mafia. The post in question:

Let me make this clear: Default's actions could either have been explained as either the reporter, or mafia. And when I said "maybe mafia," you followed with "no, reporter." Do you get my point now? I agree there is no reason a mafiosa would know that default was the reporter. But you would know he wasn't Mafia. That is my point.

Now for the underlined bit about your mentioning BtD, Cat and Hayabusa. If you also want proof, so be it.

After posting that you think Mafiosa are hiding among the quiet ones:

So again, I was wrong in my saying that they were mentioned specifically by you over and over. But you do mention them as being suspicious and too quiet, and since you have been trying to move the focus onto quiet members all along, this adds to my case. Not as strongly as if I had been correct, but after forty pages of posts, I plea that I am allowed to make mistakes.

So I believe that you are Mafia for the following reasons:

• You let slip that you knew default couldn't be Mafia
• You have been twisting things to try and lynch Princess for the entire game
• You have been trying to shift focus to the quieter players for the entire game
• When Mish was outed you voted immediately without discussion. Although you say this was because you saw no sense in waiting, it could be because you wanted to avoid the kind of discussion that has been taking place.
• Even in your last posts, you still drop that Mak could be lying, and although you agree that it would be silly, you conveniently forget that we have all but proved it

So, without further ado:

Vote: Jiηx[DOUBLEPOST=1410492291][/DOUBLEPOST]Sorry, the italicized parts of Jinx's post aren't highlighted, sue to the fact that quoting automatically italicizes posts. XD

 

Hey Look I'm Doing My Job without Making Excuses!

• Calxiyn - 3 (Hyuge, TwilightBlader, Makaze)
• TwilightBlader - 1 (Calxiyn)
• Vivi - 1 (Marushi)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch and 5 to soft-lynch. Deadline is Friday, September 12th, at 5 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).

Since Princess ♥ has opted out of the game his slot has been vacated and all votes for him have been reset. You may still vote for the empty slot if you wish. Hope to have a replacement within the Day/Night cycle.

 

Okay so I didn't get to post as soon as I had planned and a lot has happened, but now it is of course midnight and I need to go to bed. Since not much else has been directed at me, I'll just respond to what I can and hopefully get something else in before the day ends tomorrow; rather than writing a wall responding to everything that has taken place. If anyone has anymore questions for me, though I hope not, I can probably pop off a line or two as the day goes by, just nothing in great length.

I said in my previous post that gives my analysis of each player that I'm not really sure how I feel about TB at the moment. I don't necessarily think he is mafia, but his actions have been very counterproductive and has provided us little to no useful information. I would not be sad to see him go at this point, even if he is town. I know it's harsh and probably will lead to more fuel in my fire, but it's the truth. Makaze mentioned a policy lynch on TB before changing his vote to Calxiyn. I feel like he is someone that is pointless to keep around, as he shows no real signs to contribute. Cal or someone else isn't lynched for mafia suspicion, then a policy lynch on TB would be a good idea.

I'm sure I will regret saying this when I check the thread before work, but what's done is done.

All right. If you have anymore, I'll try to do my best to answer them, when so permitted; as I said before.

There is a lot of chaos going on right now which I'm sure the mafia is mildly enjoying. We have a lot of possible suspects and flying accusations. We still have not heard from @Cat~, @What?, or @Bite the Dust in the least bit which I find unsettling at the very least. Haya has tried to make some posts and while it has been generally rationalized that the likelihood of BtD and Ash being Mafia are slim, I would still like to have everyone say something before this day goes by. It is just too important of a day for anyone to be entirely inactive, especially when at least one of those members has posted in other areas of the forum since the beginning of the new day. I'm not going to do a bunch of unvoting and revoting to incite conversation in them like I did in the previous day. I hope they will manage to come with the callings they have received thus far. I plan to hold my position for now in regards to Cal unless something huge manages to be revealed at the last minute.

All right. I have to end this now because I can barely keep my eyes away and my text is becoming jumbled and requiring a lot of erasing. If anyone has any more questions for me in regards to myself or the other members, I will answer them tomorrow. For now, I bid you a good night.

Guten Nacht.

 

@Marushi

My logic behind the quiet members is mostly due to the fact that we gain nothing from them not saying anything, and simply killing them off if they don't feel like playing is the easiest method to attain information if they're not willing to share it by being active.

Princess has been by own personal mission, the way The Fuk? was for Makaze and im sure others have been for different members, that is all but wasted now, as he decided to opt out of the game for personal reasons, the situation will have to be reflected upon when his replacement is found, and their actions will need to be put under scrutiny.

I took a guess so I must've let it slip he's not Mafia? I looked at his actions and personally believed it not to be that of a mafia member, but with someone of a different agenda, if you're beginning to do the whole thing of focusing on one little point and doing your own twisting til it makes sense as malicious in your eyes I feel you really must pick a better subject.

I've never played this game before, so my obvious response to a Mafia member being outed is just simply to vote for them, at that time that's were logic was lay with me, as Makaze explained things more clearly to me throughout the day my attention shifted and I made a more rational decision to focus on other members, as he said we had decided to do.

Again, with Maakze, I do not feel he is lying, at all in fact, I'm just putting it on the table that until dead, his role is only all but confirmed, we still have to operate under the impression players might use manipulation to sway the public opinion, he outed himself when he came under fire, it's an obvious response to think. As I said though, it's a ludicrous move to pull and not be the role he claimed to be, as it does only shorten his life span.

I'm honestly a bit perplexed why you have suddenly felt so strongly about myself, when really i've only been trying to put forward my own thought process throughout the entire game, there is nothing heinous is my actions, but pragmatic through and through, it's why I focused on one member, because splitting focus leads to more confusion than it helps.

So for now, I have to change my vote, as Princess is out of the game, I've read through the posts by yourself and others and the least suspicious to me is yourself, I do believe your an honest soul just trying to root out the evil in the town, you would be the last person I would vote for right now, except for Kaze since as we know, his role is all but confirmed.

Unvote: Princess

Vote: lost girl

Because given the evidence shown throughout the day, her defence of Mish and her attack of Makaze and the question of his integrity, her actions to me seem like those of someone trying to save a fellow mafia member.[DOUBLEPOST=1410510451][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh and I have not "conveniently forgot" anything, please do not use such crude phrases when talking to me, I made it very clear that Makaze is pretty much all but confirmed for the town and his role, but we still would need to see his official player card for that to be confirmed. Like I said I don't think your a suspicious person, but you have a way of trying to dig in at peoples heels in a manner that's very antagonistic and unfriendly.

 

We need consolidation very badly.

Less than two and a half hours before we're done.

I need votes from the following. Don't let us down.

@Cat~
@Moksha
@Bite the Dust
@What?
@cstar

If you don't vote we will lose.

We may need consolidation from @Jiηx and @Calxiyn. Please be alert.[DOUBLEPOST=1410547014][/DOUBLEPOST]@Marushi too. Sorry for forgetting you.[DOUBLEPOST=1410547113][/DOUBLEPOST]@Hayabusa

I need more sleep.

 

From what I've seen, the suspicion on Cal isn't really significant enough to throw her under the bus.

I can see where Jiηx is coming from with his suspicions on hyuge though, and honestly she's got me just a bit worried. That said:

Vote: lost girl

 

First off, I’d like to officially say that if my actions contributed to Princess’s departure in any way, I am sorry.

That being said, on to the game. I’m going to quote each part of Jinx’s post individually for clarity.

While this is technically true, this is not what you have been saying throughout the thread. You haven’t been saying we ought to policy kill the quiet ones because they don’t contribute, you’ve been saying you think Mafia are hiding within them and we ought to be focusing our attentions there instead of focusing on those who are in the middle range or high range of activity.

However, assuming that you ARE telling the truth as a townie, I’ll address this. If we policy kill the quiet members, we are taking a shot in the dark as far as killing Mafia, and if we kill a townie, we gain no information. This is why we haven’t been policy killing the quiet ones. We have no way of picking out suspicious posts out of no posts, and we have no way of extrapolating info later out of no info. So lynching the quiet ones is tantamount to shooting into the crowd. We would gain very little, if we gained at all.

This is correct. We must wait for the replacement before we can confirm either your theory that he is Mafia or my theory that he is not.

Once again, you completely miss my point. You didn’t just take a guess that default was the reporter. let me go and get the actual quotes, to illustrate what I’m trying to say here.

Trigger is speaking to default, bolded for clarity:

You were the first person to even bring up that he was the reporter. And you didn’t just say “He also might be the reporter,” you said “that would make him the reporter.” I was pretty much saying “You don’t act like town,” and you then pretty much said “well he’s not Mafia.” It wasn't just a theory or a guess, you said it with authority and finality, like you already knew.

Your argument that you took a look at his posts and judged him not to be Mafia doesn't hold much water either. It was early on day one. In fact, at the time in question, default had only posted five times, and three of them didn't even particularly have much content. For anyone interested in the things he said in those five posts, if you want to investigate the chance of Jinx just reading him correctly, these are the five: Post 1, Post 2, Post 3, Post 4, Post 5.

I don't see any chance of you being able to extrapolate "he might not be Mafia" from these posts. Let alone "He is not Mafia" like you say with your post. You could not have known that he was not Mafia unless you were Mafia yourself.

Fair enough.

I am not suddenly feeling strongly. I have felt you were pretty suspicious for awhile now, and have brought it up a couple of times. Now I just have enough evidence.

As for whether your actions are heinous or pragmatic, well, that remains to be proven.

Thank you for telling me I am town. I'm glad you think so.

Really? That's interesting. Out of everyone who has seemed to defend Mish and question Makaze, I would have though Calxiyn seemed that way far more than hyuge. (Don't worry, Cal, I'm not trying to dump more suspicion on you. I'm just saying in terms of possible-defense, you're more suspicious than hyuge). Though I agree that it would be telling if a Mafia member were to protect someone. (okay, sorry Cal, but I guess this does paint you rather badly. Sorry.)

I do apologize if I seemed antagonistic or unfriendly. I would hate to be so. If you are town, then I'm barking up the wrong tree and I'm sorry I was mean. If you are Mafia, then I'm barking up the right tree and I don't apologize for any points I make, but I do apologize if my mannerisms while barking come across too unfriendly. :)[DOUBLEPOST=1410551822][/DOUBLEPOST]Sorry, forgot to consolidate.

Unvote: Jiηx

Vote: lost girl

I don't particularly think hyuge is Mafia. I can't say I think they're town, as I'm just on the fence. But for the sake of a soft lynch, I'm willing to hope that Makaze is right this time.

 

For Whom the Votals

• Calxiyn - 3 (Hyuge, TwilightBlader, Makaze)
• Hyuge - 3 (Vivi, Cat, Marushi)
• TwilightBlader - 1 (Calxiyn)
• Vivi - 1 (Marushi)

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch and 5 to soft-lynch. Deadline is in one hour.

@Bite the Dust and @What? have not posted this cycle. May wanna get on that, fellas.

 

I see the deadline approaches swiftly with a tie on a no lynch at the moment, better get hurrying, @Moksha , @Hayabusa aswell are yet to vote.

 

Oh whoops, for some reason I thought that hyuge had more votes than Cal.

Reconsolidating. Sorry for the confusion, Nova.

Unvote: lost girl

Vote: Calxiyn

This actually makes me feel better. I know I said I didn't really want to lynch you today, Cal, but imo you've been acting just a bit more suspiciously than hyuge. Sorry.

 

UnVote: Twillight
Vote: Lost Girl/Hyuge

Have a little bit of faith Marushi, we don't have very much time. Give me until the next in-game day.

 

Sigh... well, now once again for the sake of consolidation. If hyuge turns out to be town, you and Jinx are in trouble.

Unvote: Calxiyn

Vote: lost girl

 

I am 80% sure that Calxiyn is mafia and my case on hyuge is circumstantial by comparison.

I'm sitting on my case. @Marushi , I believe your case is better than mine.

We need two more votes for Cal or one more for hyuge to end the day.

Please hurry.

 

@Makaze just please swallow your pride. I doubt you like being told that but since you're putting a target on my back. You can be that one last vote for Hyuge but you're choosing not to. This isn't helping town.