Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

@Jiηx Now that you are aware of what we need to do, I suggest gathering info any way you can. You've said that you get what needs to happen. Be the one to make it happen.[DOUBLEPOST=1410393333][/DOUBLEPOST]Great. I come in because Calxyin requested it and now I'm back into the fray.

Nice going, me.

 

@Makaze Ok I got ya.

Looking through Mish's posts, in her time in the game she seems to have pointed the finger at me, you, what? and BtD, now as for yourself it's pretty clear you're a townie, after what's happened today, and I know I'm a townie, but obviously only have my own word to go with it at this point which is fine, there's not much else I do have other than her accusation, the same really goes with What? and BtD, she's attempted to point the finger at all 4 of us and with her biggest pointer at you she's shot herself right in the foot and shown her hand, from this I feel until proven otherwise, it would be safe to assume that all her accusations are most likely aligned with town, it's as you stated with her accusation of What? but really on a broader scale, so our efforts should really be focused on people she has backed up or supported.

The key lies with Mish.

 

Read her posts with town reads and such. Some of them are actually town, some are not.

Be sure to look out for people she didn't mention at all. Mafia members are unlikely to mention each other unless one of them is already the center of attention.

Press those people for information.

 

This is really the post to focus on I believe, here we have 4 people named who she's "fairly certain" are town, now we have 1 mafia sussed out for certain, and 4 to find, it would be very silly of her to outright say all the other names in this here post but we can guarantee she's said at least 1 of them, maybe 2, my guess would be 1 from the certain list and 1 from the ????? list are Mafia.

 

I was suspicious of you. You had freaked out about an "intentional" misquoting of you that seemed silly and exaggerated and likely not intentional in the least bit, as The Fuk? was proven innocent.

I fully intend to do some investigative work, though I only have tonight to do so. I know you said we can't use work and such as a crutch at this point, but I explicitely stated before the game even started that I wouldn't be able to constantly be posting or in length, that I would do what I could when I could.

 

Don't have anything more to add to this. Every action you've taken since the reveal has looked like someone who wants to avoid the spot light and nothing more.[DOUBLEPOST=1410394489][/DOUBLEPOST]

Which ones? Why those ones?

 

If I wanted to avoid the spotlight, I wouldn't have said anything in the first place. I would have been significantly less suspicious as mafia if I had remained in the shadows and said nothing from the get go. Instead, I was trying to see the reasoning behind your actions as the Watcher and potentially confirm other members of the town's alignment; which is a significantly greater risk than doing nothing.

 

We have to operate under the impression that everything Mish has said so far in the game has to be in attempt to give her and the mafia an upperhand, they are all about misdirection and shadowy acts, so supporting each other in the early game by claiming some to be town also covers the other mafia's backs because they don't just out right say "Oh X is NEVER going to be Mafia, they're just so town like!?" they'll bury them in lists of other names so they are still protected, that's why we need react to her posts as if there's lies in all of them, people she accuses are really because taking the heat off of her and onto them will keep her and her mafia friends safe, and people she supports will only look worse once the truth comes out, that's why it's best to assume that any time she's supported groups of people being town, she's more than likely burying a name of a mafia into them to support her side.

Now I'm not super good at the whole reading people thing, never have been, plus this is my first real game of this so im still kinda "what does this button do" when it comes to how to approach things, but I would be more interested in the ????? list of folk as it gives her freedom to not really form an opinion on them, while allowing others to build their cases against them and let's her slip into the crowd if they're ever under fire and follow bandwagon suit. Because of this I would be very surprised if one of Hayabusa, Luxord or Cat isn't Mafia, now for me personally i've always had that gut feeling about Princess, since day 1 and i'll admit it, it's one of those stinks you can't shake about the player, the same way we clung to people like default to be lynched, i've always felt he was one we would be better without, even if turned out to be a mislynch, there's been no unity from his posts and he hasn't really added to anyone elses cases.

Hayabusa and Cat are other stories, Cat is very quiet, so again it could be the case of playing it quiet and allowing us to perform mislynch after mislynch and laugh in the back, or she's just not very active. I know you've had a few butted heads with Hayabusa but I'll be honest i've not really felt that he was suspicious in any way at the moment. like I said though im not too hot at reading folk.

From those 3 i'd rank from Most Mafia to Least, Princess, Cat, Hayabusa.

 

Hindsight 20/20? Kind of like how you realize now that naming me as the Watcher out loud was a senseless move for town?

I've been in your position before. It's easy to get caught up in self-defense and never get around to digging.

You know you're town. Build a good case. If we lynch you wrongly, we'll profit more from the case than from the self-defense posts. You've spent a lot of time already reeling to defend yourself. You could be spending that researching your targets. I suggest finding a target ASAP and focusing on helping town even if it costs you your life.

 

Unfortunately there's not much to get from Jiku's posts before Mish replaced her as she never said much, this is the most accusing she ever was, and it was obviously pretty non chalant, again though BtD is mentioned, so his townie ness is looking pretty secure in my eyes, since they both independently pointed the finger at him.

 

Okay. So now comes the real challenge.

Hard truth time. You didn't gain anything by spelling out your thought process.

How do you confirm or disprove your idea that Lux is mafia?[DOUBLEPOST=1410395673][/DOUBLEPOST]Hint: Don't answer that. Just do it.

 

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This is sort of my collection of quotes I could find from Luxord that tipped me off, now it's not quoted here but he did butt heads with you a few times @Makaze , even to vote a couple of times but to change it to someone else later in the day when a bandwagon formed.

First with Beau, who we'd all but confirmed for town, and who ran the risk of becoming a dead spot anyway, which to the mafia is a good thing, because it's another kill they don't need to deal with (funnily enough if that had happened, this whole day would've been different). So although what he's saying makes sense in the fact that lynching someone else might mean 2 mafia kills that day, if he is Mafia, it would mean the opposite effect, 2 town kills that day (obviously Beau got replaced and it was 1 townie death) Which brings us to...

His post where he just plainly votes for Krowley, no explanation or anything to begin with, at this point he is already sitting with 2 votes, so joining in now looks less suspicious than being vote 5 or 10 would be. He later goes on to give a 'reason' for voting for Krowley, which makes sense as to why he voted, but not really why he voted for Krowley other than the fact he already had votes, and no lynch is better than nothing, again, if already Mafia, he's well aware of Krowley's status, and wants to ensure another town kill that day so they can guarantee one in the bag.

Again, when it came to default, he just voted for him because no one was voting for Kaze, so he went with the guy who was going to get lynched anyway, securing a Hammer for default that day and ending it before any decisions could be changed. Once more providing no real backing to his votes other than "oh other folk are doing it, I'll just vote to lynch this guy too" because he knows they're town, and it's another mislynch in the bag.

Because of that, I would have to stick with my gut and continue to support the fact that Princess is most likely Mafia.

 

Got any questions for him?

@Princess ♥ have anything to add on today's events?

 

Really only why does he lack conviction to stick with a vote and is so easy to change sides when it looks like it'll get the day a quick lynch. His reasoning is flimsy at best. If we're doing the whole not killing Mish today and leaving her to the vigilante's hands tonight then I will remove my vote for her and place it where I truly believe it belongs if we are to root out another mafia.

Unvote: Mish

Vote: Princess ♥[DOUBLEPOST=1410397164][/DOUBLEPOST]The same way you felt vindicated about the fuk? I feel strongly too about Princess.[DOUBLEPOST=1410397195][/DOUBLEPOST]I'm off for the night, will catch up tomorrow.

 

@TwilightBlader, you were viewing the thread a lot today. You knew you were called on and didn't post.

It is time to policy lynch you.

##Unvote: hyuge

##Vote: TwilightBlader[DOUBLEPOST=1410398975][/DOUBLEPOST]@ars nvoa Votals please.

 

I'm a passive person most of the time, as hard as that may be to believe I generally try to avoid conflict and hell if I can avoid work too, count me in. That being said I do enjoy to play games like this every now and again.

however...

for example if nine out of ten people voted for someone and nobody voted for the person I initially thought was mafia, there is no way in hell I am going to convince (due to a sheer inability not due to laziness by the way) all of those people to switch over, so instead of wasting my energy and time, I voted for the person who was for the most part getting voted off anyway.

It's really not that hard to grasp.

Again its not that hard to figure out, what if I don't actually give a fuck at the time and just feel like voting for whomever? Almost none of us know each others personal situations at the time. Remember this is a game on a forum, aka not a high priority for most people in here. If it was there would be more posts. Real life stuff can interfere with posts in any section, forum, etc and if I just (or anyone else) just "afk'd" majority of the game people would get butthurt and suspicious.

So me not caring for a couple of posts makes me mafia? If that is the case I have to laugh at how hopeless the town's chances are despite me being a member.


That being said, if anyone wants any advice about this game or something along those lines. Add the personal side of this into your "calculations". What if somebody writes a certain way because they felt like crap that day? What if they are tired from a long day at school/work and they mess things up due to confusion. The biggest problem here from what I've seen is we all just decide to plug things into an equation and if the numbers don't add up. Insta votes happen. If you are mafia, I congratulate you on a decent cover story for voting me off, however if you are town I advise you to listen to what I just said. The human aspect of this game (especially in this "forum-format") is key.

 

What you did gets a little more complex when you hammered it in.

Town could have gotten more info from the remaining time. For the first time in the game you made an assertive move. The move you made was a personal decision that ended up cutting off everyone's chances to dig things up. You didn't ask what others wanted. You acted on your own and ended up stopping other people from investigating.

I don't think you did this on purpose, but it's important that you realize it was not smart. It was selfish. There are much better things you could do to help town. Instead of hammering you could ask questions.

If you're being passive, forcing everyone else to stop talking is not the way to do it.

 

And he wasn't mafia nor town. No harm no foul.

 

That kind of thinking can get town killed.

default wasn't the only person we needed to investigate. The more time we have and the more posts we have the better off we are.

The harm is in thinking you can take a risk that affects everyone else in a negative way and then just shrug it off. You're not being a team player.

 

But it didn't get the town killed, you don't see me doing that now do you so I don't really see much a problem. If this happens again/multiple more times then uh yeah maybe you guys should be a little suspicious but a huge percentage of the people in this game if not everyone has done something that makes them "not a team player". Focusing on this will get the town nowhere, because uh hey yeah I'm a town member.

Once again this goes back to the whole "if you are mafia good job for making this look smooth kind of thing".