Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

Well, guys, my laptop just suddenly turned off and refuses to turn on again. I'm on the family-computer atm, but I won't get much time here that way. I'll also be able to access the thread from my phone, but that's a huge hassle and everything takes forever, so hopefully I'll be finally forced to post more condensed posts for awhile, and won't be as active until I can figure out what happened with my laptop. Just letting you all know.

Anyway, I was skimming through the first two days in search of suspicious activity, mainly focusing on The Fuk? and pausing to read other posts of interest more thoroughly. One thing I noticed in regard to default was something he said when he realized that he was getting close to a lynch.

I wish he had given more of a defense; when I had first read this, I just thought he was giving up without a fight. But he was trying to give a hint that might have saved him... Course, it might have just sealed his fate even more. But regardless, hints like this can be helpful in subtly revealing yourself to an ally, and they can also be helpful in subtly showing that you understand something that you don't really want to say out loud. But if default had defended himself more instead of dropping hints, he might still be alive.

But I digress. As for the Fuk?, I now see where everyone's coming from when they say they find him suspicious. Most of his posts on day one weren't very helpful or didn't really side one way or another, then on day two he came down on Makaze pretty hard. Which, that in itself isn't suspicious as a number of people have done this, myself included. Er, myself quite a lot. XD But there's also the question of the misquoted post, which could either have been intentional or a mistake, but is still pretty telling, and then after we all backed off Makaze, he sorta dropped off the map a bit. This is all pretty suspicious, and a lot of people think so. At least, that seems to be how things are shaping up. And there's no reason to waste time, so...

Vote: The Fuk?

@The Fuk? I know you've already presented some defense to the aforementioned behavior, so I won't ask about that directly. But what up with the recent silence? You haven't posted here since the 25th of August.

 

I hadn't come back to the thread until after he had already been hard lynched that day. I saw that he was the Reporter before I saw that post giving hint to his identity. While it would have been nice for Ben to have actually said something in his defense, there was only about an hour or so left at that point and it would not have been enough time to not only turn people away from him, but onto someone else entirely. He was passed a soft lynch and even if he had managed to clear his name, we would have most likely ended up in a no lynch for the day which would have been even less beneficial than lynching the Reporter.

[[ Maru, I hope you figure out what is wrong with your laptop quickly. Good Luck. ]]

 

This makes sense. It really is too bad that he couldn't have made it a bit longer. But good on you, that you already knew that! lol, I was pretty surprised myself. XD And thanks for wishing me luck! :)

Come on, everybody else, hop in and say stuff! Let's get going on discussions and theories and whatnot! XD

 

I've been in Disney World since Friday, and will not return home until Thursday night. I'll get back into the game once I am back on a keyboard.

 

I find The Fuk? highly suspicious. If you aren't familiar with my reasons, they are:

• He posted, but contributed very little.
• He voted Krowley after a soft lynch without offering reasons.
• He suspected me on flimsy reasons.
• He didn't ask questions.
• He didn't answer questions directed at him.
• He misquoted me.
• He tried to gloss over the misquote instead of admitting to it saying it didn't matter since it was in line with what he was trying to say.
• He spent his energy accusing me instead of getting new info from me throughout our conversation.
• He dropped off the map once he said his piece about me.

The things with the Krowley vote are all minor and explainable, but they made my brow raise initially. They are what put him on my radar in the first place on Day 1. The reason he gave for voting Krowley past a soft lynch was that someone else could unvote at any time. One question lingers: He knew he had a full day left. Why didn't he wait to see if someone would unvote first?

The flimsy reasons are to be expected at that early stage in the game, but the reasons he presented were... On a whole new level.

His not asking questions raises questions of its own. It raised my suspicions because it implied that he needed no further info. He seemed to think that info gathering was waste of time. All that was left, to him, was taking me down. Usually acting like this would be a decent tactic to get information, but as things dragged on it became clear he wasn't fishing for reactions. He just wanted me gone. He didn't even know my reads for the day, and didn't care to ask. Why would he be so single-minded about lynching someone he hadn't gotten info on?

I don't just believe that the misquote was intentional. I absolutely believe it is impossible for the misquote to be unintentional. The misquote did not match any post by anyone, let alone me. There is absolutely no way that it got there without being handwritten by him. The rest of the quotes are real. Some of them longer. Why would someone who went out of their way get ad verbatim versions of longer replies make up a shorter one?

The way he handled a challenge made me sure it was dishonest on top of intentional. I challenged him on the misquote and pointed out how it was impossible for it to be a typo, simple mistake, or mistaken identity. I gave him a chance to come clean about it. He didn't. He said it didn't matter if he faked it, since the rest of my quotes pointed to what he faked anyway. I call that for the bullshit it is. What would have happened if no one caught on to it being a fake quote?

As the conversation went on, he had several chances to gather info on me via questions. Instead of taking those opportunities, he focused on passive ways to convince others to lynch me like noting the word 'scum'. Why not get more info on your target when you have their attention? Why regurgitate existing info instead?

Finally, he has been prodded my multiple people over the past several days since his case on me. Why the absence? It is giving me a bad feeling because it makes a lot of sense for him to run away after failing to kill me. It's the best way for him to fly under the radar until he has another target to take down or until he can confirm a lynch on me.

In summary, The Fuk? has shown a singular will to take me down at the cost of all other possible ways to actually hunt scum. He has proven himself to be callously dishonest. I say dishonest because he misquoted me in a way that could not possibly have been an accident, and I say callously because he has shown that he has no remorse for misquoting me. He has hidden from the spotlight ever since failing in his singular objective.

I also believe that the death of Trigger is closely tied to this attack from him. Trigger was the only person in the game who might have defended me on short notice. He was the only who said that my aggressive play was a good thing. I believe The Fuk?'s purpose that day was to neutralize me as a threat, and Trigger's death was a strategic choice in making that easier.

This theory explains why Trigger died that night and why The Fuk? conveniently did nada before and after attacking me.[DOUBLEPOST=1409715668][/DOUBLEPOST]Ninja'd. The absence part after the attack is explained, it seems.

I forgot to vote. My bad.

##Vote: The Fuk?

 

Alright Mak, I was unsure of the case on TheFuk? but at this point, I'm willing to follow you. I'll wait until he posts to see what he says and depending on what it is, I may vote with you. He's seemed a little suspect for a while and he presumerably had plenty of time to post before Friday when he had to leave, and as far as I recall he didn't after he failed to get you lynched.

 

Alright, thank you Makaze and the Fuk? for answering my questions. I do agree that so far, the Fuk? is one of the more suspicious people today. And thanks, Calxiyn, for posting. You say you've been a bit unsure about the case against the Fuk?. While we wait for his response, is there someone else you also suspect? If so, what are some of your reasons?[DOUBLEPOST=1409773447][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh yeah, also, my dad got my laptop to it's usual working order. XD So yeah, I'll still be able to be on more than I thought I would. Thanks for the well wishes!

 

The problem for me is I am genuinely quite stumped on suspicions. I'm sure I must be missing the obvious here or something, but I have no strong suspicions on anyone that's the issue. The only even mildly suspect one for me personally is Mak, but even then I don't suspect him that much and I'm more inclined to trust him because if anything, he's useful. We might be able to make use of his actions and quotes later on in the Game to track down other Maf if he's Maf, and he can rat out a few of them if he's town. So, I'm willing to put my faith in Makaze for now.

TheFuk is just on the edge of being suspicious enough for me to vote, but I want to see what he says next just to confirm. I don't like the single minded interest in lynching Makaze, and his lack of contributions of other people does concern me, although that said that's kinda hypocritical because I'm hardly coming up with any.

Overall, I'm stuck.

 

It's difficult to form concrete opinions on sheepers this early in the game due to the amount of players, but I'd assume that inciters are more likely to be mafia. My reasoning for this is that if I were mafia, I'd make a conscious effort to not seem like I was just being a sheep, since that is considered mafia behaviour by most people.

Also, I think your thoughts about The Fuk? and Trigger's death are interesting and, if you're not mafia, it could be compelling evidence that The Fuk? is.

 

I feel like spending too much time waiting on The Fuk? will be a bad thing, considering he said he would not be back until Thursday and no concrete time as to when. If everyone feels highly suspicious of TF?, then we should push forward with it because we have just over 24 hours left. If not, then we need a new person to go with. I honestly don't have much suspicion of anyone right now, but I do feel uneasy about Luxord.

__// Vote: Princess <3

 

I'm not going to defend myself against a list of very tiny details. Makaze, when I accused you, it was about an overall personality that you had. You're nitpicking, and if I quote your entire post, defending every point, all you're going to do is say how my response is suspicious for some reason or another. What am I supposed to say? When I accused you of being Mafia, I cared very little about what your defense was. This game is so double sided that 90% of everything you say can either be a town action or a mafia action.

You can vote to lynch me if you want, but I'm not going to do the whole back and forth thing over the tiniest possible details you can find.

Any time you guys want to organize a game of Trouble in Terrorist Town, I am so down for that instead.

Vote: Makaze

 

Man, is it just me, or is this game like, 10x harder when you're just going off of text?

 

You're not expected to defend yourself at length. That would be a waste of time.

You're expected to answer questions asked to you. Questions like the ones you just avoided from me and other players about your other opinions.[DOUBLEPOST=1409792799][/DOUBLEPOST]The Fuk?, why should we believe that my theory is incorrect? Have you done anything to prove it incorrect? Do you plan to do anything to prove it incorrect?

Is your only purpose in this game to get rid of me, or do you have something else to contribute? Do you have any questions for me? Do you have questions for others?

What will you do if you do kill me?

What is your game plan?

Depends on who you play with. It's hard no matter what with most people keeping to themselves.[DOUBLEPOST=1409795834][/DOUBLEPOST]

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Logic critique:

The sheep are too many for that reasoning to be useful. Even several of the 'active' players are effectively sitting on their thumbs with no strong hunches. Furthermore, the most active people have been suspected the most. The mafia have every reason to lie low. If we began seriously policy lynching sheepy people, chances are we would kill most of town off and get no info for our trouble doing it.

Unfortunately, town don't care enough about that to avoid it. Sheepiness stands out in a game with a well coordinated and active town. In a game like this, sheepiness could be a sign of timidity, self-doubt, impressionability, mafia incentives, or fear of critique. At least half of the players are sheep or inactive altogether.

Nearly everyone is being mafia-like. In that case, being town-like is the opposite of hiding. As you can see with me and other players like What?, it's more risky to do something town-like than to do something mafia-like. We got a target on our backs while the sheep did not.

Assuming the remaining players are divided like this (liberal with the town-likes):

5 town-likes
9 mafia-likes

If people decide to lynch town-likes at random, there is a 1/5 chance that you will be killed as mafia.
If people decide to lynch mafia-likes at random, there is a 1/9 chance that you will be killed as mafia.

Killing a town-like, be they mafia or town, provides town with ample info about other players.
Killing a mafia-like, be they mafia or town, provides town with minimal info about other players.

Why would mafia hide within the minority when it means a higher chance of being killed?
Why would they hide within the group that gives town more info if they are killed?

I think mafia would have to be a gambling mood to hide within the town-likes when the mafia-likes are a majority.

Even so, it's possible they felt like gambling. There is an element of human choice. Just like how you thought it might be smarter to be town-like as mafia, mafia might make the same mistake. Mafia may not be playing the numbers.

Even if mafia decide not to play the numbers, it isn't correct to assume that they will go anti-logic without good reason.

[DOUBLEPOST=1409796805][/DOUBLEPOST]Sorry for any errors I can't fix in the above.

 

PSA never trust Hyuge's estimate of the remaining time

 

She was off by a day again.

There are 38 hours left as of now.

 

B - but . . . [DOUBLEPOST=1409800061][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh. I didn't see that it was pushed back to Friday. I thought it was still Thursday even with the extra Night.

// crawls away

 

Alright, while we're waiting for TF?, we need to keep the discussions going. Like peeps have said, we're getting nowhere just sitting here waiting. So I think we ought to find another suspect to talk about. I would say we should all focus on one of the more generally suspected people, but I'm not sure who that is. Everyone, please, if you even think somebody just feels wrong, spit it out so we can look at it (and I mean besides Makaze. I'm not trying to make your suspicions of him void or even sway your vote if you want to vote for him, but everything that could be said regarding him has been said, and we need to keep looking around.)

I think a lot of peeps are suspicious of Princess, though equally, some don't find him much of a threat. Maybe we should talk about that while we wait. I'm actually a bit suspicious of him myself, though most of the things that usually give me warnings don't seem too far out of his norm... He seems just a bit too anxious to lynch Makaze, though I suppose if he really is convicted of Makaze's alignment, he would be. His posts also just give an air of... idk, irritation? Defensiveness? Maybe even a slight hint of aggression that I don't really remember being there last game (though I think I've proven by now that my memory is far from good) and it just doesn't sit right with me.

@Calxiyn , what do you think of Princess ♥? You say you can't decide on a suspect; so what are your thoughts towards him? Looking at his behavior, do you think he's acting suspiciously? If you don't, then what makes you think he's not?

Also, @ars nvoa , could we have a votal please? Thanks! :)

 

I want to point something out.

There is no way that The Fuk? could know my alignment with the Reporter dead... Unless he is Mafia and knows that my alignment is Town.

On top of the fact that I have not visited anyone, making the Tracker and Watcher useless, he would probably have presented hard evidence of my alignment if he were Town and had it by now. His callousness towards being killed for his conviction shows that much.

I think we can safely conclude that his certainty is a gut instinct at best, intentional mudslinging at worst.

 

We have no way of confirming whether or not you have visited anyone. That could be a lie, saying you haven't.xx

 

To be fair, the watcher and the other role do, but they would silly to reveal themselves without having at least a couple of Mafia names for sure, since if they come forward with at least two, the town and vigilante can kill 2 in one day, before the Mafia off them, since it doesnt matter if you die, so long as your team wins. You should know that Nomes, you've done this before.