Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

I'd be fine with that under other circumstances, but as things stand I'm pretty confident that The Fuk? is scum. I don't want to lynch a random over someone who is actively scummy.

But take your pick. I support the idea in principle.

 

This I definitely agree with and have said before, I highly doubt she is mafia or otherwise. (I don't want to call people scum as it feels mean)

I also agree with the fact that there is too many inactive people and as I've said before if there is no obvious person to go for then I think we would be best off voting off the inactive members. The more active a person is, the more of an asset to the town they are or/and the more likely they are to slip up if they are anti-town. Also it gives you more to work with after they are killed to look at in hindsight.

 

I respect your decision to vote for him, but honestly I just don't see it. You and Ash have made thorough cases against him, but it really just seems circumstantial.

I have taken my pick by voting for Beema. I wish some other people who have not yet voted would say something as we currently have votes for:
Makaze, Bite the Dust, Default, and The Fuk?

 

Bite the Dust is as good as any. We know he's here and has virtually no reason to be so passive.

I'll help consolidate that, or any inactive lynch if you need consolidation. No point sitting on a suspect I can't kill.

Oh! Mod question. @ars nvoa: If no lynch is reached, is it a random lynch or a no lynch?

 

Last time we didn't have enough people to agree, it was a No Lynch.

 

Alright then.

 

@TwilightBlader Hey, you've been quite quiet and right now all the inactive players are under scrutiny. In your last post you said you were reading through the thread, did you draw any conclusions? What are your thoughts on everything? Who looks suspicious and who do you agree with? There's no right or wrong answer here so don't worry but posting would be good right now.

Also

@Bite the Dust You've got one vote now and people are starting to look your way due to your inactivity. I know you said you're better late on but sharing some of your views now might just save your butt. Who do you find suspicious, who do you agree with?

 

As Hyuge said, if no consensus is reached then no lynch occurs. /always late

 

The inactivity from alot of people is killing it, there's what? 5 mafia, and just because there's not a whole lot of activity going on I'd say there's barely enough evidence to make cases for 3 people, let alone 5 definite people who are killing us in our sleep, and that's why I think we need to flush out some of the quiet members, because they're probably doing the tactic of as i've mentioned repeatedly, hanging back and hoping we mislynch each other.

I'm not gonna change my vote at the moment because i'm fairly confident that right now, default is one of the most 'scummy' and if at best all I can take is an educated guess at someone i'm going with him.[DOUBLEPOST=1409090183][/DOUBLEPOST](Double post inbound)

The fear of the inactives aswell is that we have potential roles going to waste, watchers and reporters that could be finding things out for us and helping us along, but if those positions of power belong to someone who's not even posted once then what's even the use in having the role lingering there.[DOUBLEPOST=1409090217][/DOUBLEPOST](Triple Post)

Princess I can see you watching a few times now without saying anything, any thoughts currently?

 

It's difficult to do so sometimes, I look at a thread like this and I see many things. I see people that are 100 times more proficient at writing than I am (People like yourself and Ashwin), so whenever I want to write out some big rant or what have you, I get discouraged. Then I see people who are much better at being controlling the situation/the people in it (people like makaze for instance).

This makes me look at the previous game where I was a live bomb waiting to explode (despite being town) and I look at the setlist of people in this particular and game I am like, "well fuck nothing I could try to do is going to work on these guys". You may not believe me but there have been countless times where I have written out a response and just deleted it all together because it either didn't make sense coming from my thoughts to text (not being able to convey them properly), or I think to myself that it just isn't good enough.

One reason I chose not to give my reasons when voting for Makaze is for one thing, I've dealt with him in the past and when it comes to talking to Makaze he will find a way to prove you wrong even if you are right. This of all things I find to be quite irritating (no offense man, some people just don't mix) so I tend to avoid the subject all together. I agree with what people have been saying about him and I have found his ways of "pulling the strings" suspicious from the start. And tbh even if he is town we will at the very least be able to go back to playing Mafia, not Mafia ft. the overlord Makaze.



I am also to an extent trying to not to let everything loose all at once and then become a prime target for the mafia themselves. If anyone has any real questions about what side I am on, ask away because I will be glad to answer them. However I believe there is a time and place for everything and for me right now. I don't think I am quite ready to take this game at a faster pace (due to the people in which I have doubts about). [DOUBLEPOST=1409090306][/DOUBLEPOST]

This ties into the "me writing out a huge response and deleting it" thing I said in the post I just made. Also I just came home

 

Ouch, my heart.

Joking aside, your reasoning is solid and I've thought you are town since our first encounter earlier in the thread. I feel no reason to push you.

 

To be honest I think Princess has summed up the reason for several people being inactive. They look at everybody else's posts being so amazing with such levels of detail and analysis that they feel they can't hope to match so don't post as they feel their post is inadequate and if they do make a post they'll be torn apart like Beau was for his. Hell, I feel that way a bit when I see all the really good posts that go up. Makaze, you even tell people off for wasting time and 'creating the illusion of activity' when they try to be active. I think we need to somehow change that perception, though it's difficult when you kind of have to scrutinise people as part of the game.

 

I noticed that I'm scaring people. Not my intention. I half expected at least one or two people to play like me, but clearly not.

My experience with mafia has been primarily with experienced players, so I'm used to these types of arguments. This isn't a game of the timid. We modkill inactives if we can't find replacements, for example, and people are usually very straightforward. If someone wibble-wobbles in public, it's usually taken as a sign that the person wants to give off the impression that they're timid. The timidity usually doesn't add anything to the game, so without prods, votes, and so on, it looks like an easy out for the mafia who wants to be active, but not too active.

 

Yeah but this game is a kind of "can't handle the heat stay out the kitchen" sort of thing, they shouldn't sign up if they don't expect to be scrutinized and criticized for their actions.

 

While I understand and kind of agree, people aren't going to improve and learn how to play unless they start somewhere. I've noticed an improvement with several people who played last game, with much shorter posts. Plus you don't really know how you're going to fare unless you play.

 

Still though, it's better for them to post and be scrutinized than just shut up and sit back, people wanted to play this game, the least they could do is take part.

 

That said, there was supposed to be two games - one for beginners and one for more experienced players (I think this might be the latter) which was a good idea. Though I do agree the inactive players are never going to improve if they don't post and aren't active, they need to at least make an effort. It doesn't matter if they aren't the best at it.

 

Alright, thank you, Princess. I totally understand how you're feeling in regards to not wanting to post, every time I do make some super long post like I have been doing, I sit and agonize over it, wondering if I made any sense, if I'm wrong, if I even sound stupid over it. So, thanks for putting yourself out there this time. :)

Also, to clarify; even though I'm trying to push the silent ones into posting, I don't necessarily find their inactivity suspicious, but more unhelpful. While a few mafiosa may be hiding among them, I find myself more worried about those who are posting, and are posting relatively long posts with genuine content, but aren't in the spotlight. Like, @Calxiyn for example, or @Cat~ . I don't really having anything suspicious in particular to cite here, but if I were to judge, I would say people like them are ones to keep our eyes on.

lol, so in conclusion, I think we should focus on the possibilities of Mafia in the vocal set, the quiet set, and the middle set. XD But of course, this is obvious and stating so gets us nowhere. XD

 

I say this like I'm experienced, and I'm the person who has played for the least time out of everyone here as I haven't even done a full day yet xD

 

Exactly.

A lot of the worrying about being torn apart is kind of silly. Town are a majority. Surviving shouldn't be more important than winning. Got to take some risks to get anywhere.

When I said that self-preservation was anti-town, this is largely what I meant. It's important for town to keep their heads about them and hunt mafia, even under fire. If everyone is worrying about their own necks, it becomes a free-for-all, and nobody wants that except scum.[DOUBLEPOST=1409093011][/DOUBLEPOST]

Focusing requires at least a little specificity.