Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

Me, I don't feel I have anything intelligent to contribute beyond what you guys have got going. Plus, it's only the second day, and what a Heavy Day it's been. I'm a slow starter, baby. What else can I say?

 

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I made cases and got info on two alternates. If you're open to the idea that I'm not mafia, then it's at least worth considering that I might be right. The Fuk? for being dishonest and his actions making a lot of sense from a mafia perspective. default for being wishy-washy and only voting me after a wagon formed and I had cased him.

 

Thanks for voicing your suspicions, default I mentioned in my previous post as possibly someone to look into as he was under suspicion from I think Marshi and cstar yesterday. I've been trying to find his posts to judge for myself but ughh 26 pages, it's taking me a while to find anything. Is there a way to search for a particular members posts in a thread or actually just words/phrases just in a certain thread? If that is already a function, that'll save me a lot of time. (If not I might be going to your request thread)

Also with The Fuk? I'm undecided if that false quote was just a mistake or not. If you do end up getting lynched, it will fall back on him and Marushi whichever way it goes.

And back to searching for their posts....

 

If you click the search function, you can enter in a member's name to search all their posts in the thread.

Also, I am in the process of writing my post. I just wanted to stop and help Mid out first.

 

Wait, just noticed the 'search this thread only' option on the search thing, and the search by member. Yeahhhhh, should of checked earlier.[DOUBLEPOST=1409081510][/DOUBLEPOST]@Makaze

So I just looked through all of default posts and actually he seems quite consistent in the fact he thinks you're better off lynched (logic being as I understand it you're a huge threat as mafia and as people tend to follow you, you could inadvertently cause people to be mislynched faster without as much discussion). If you do end up being lynched and turn out to be town, I think he may come under suspicion for this. The point about being wishy-washy I think you're referring to was the big misunderstanding when you were talking about Krowley and red flags, which I do not understand the point he was trying to make there (and clearly from your posts you didn't either). I'm not sure if that was a case of him simply not being able to articulate his point well enough and get across his meaning, even if it made sense to him in his head or what. You seemed to think it was him trying to create an illusion of activity which I'm not convinced by as I think that seems a very strange way to do that. However I am a bit confused by that bit of conversation as it does seem a little odd.[DOUBLEPOST=1409081573][/DOUBLEPOST]@default Care to enlighten us a bit about this?

(for some reason when I added the tag at the end it deleted my paragraph hence the hopefully double merged.

 

OKAY.

I have had a lot to read the last couple of days and have literally spent every cognitive moment at work thinking about what to say in this post. Please bear with me as I try to sort out my thoughts because every time I started this in my head, the order changed and details were revised and now it is a jumbled mess.

To start off, Craig, if the only reason you voted me was so that you could see what I had to say, I would appreciate the unvote now. Please and thank you.

Second, while you have proven that 'scum' is an official mafia word and whatnot, Makaze, I agree with Ben in toning it down. It just seems kind of mean; even to someone that is not mafia. I'm asking nicely.

Now onto everything else:

First, I feel bad for getting Krowley lynched two games in a row, but I find it interesting to see that he was the town drunk in both cases. It makes me wonder how many other members have similar roles as last time. As for the whole Crowley / Krowley situation, that is honestly something that can be done by accident. Often times if you start writing someone's name incorrectly and you write it multiple times throughout a paper, etc, the odds of you continuing to spell it wrong are pretty likely. The Fuk? obviously didn't vote Cat ~ at all, so I see no further need to argue that point.

I have no desire to continue berating Makaze. I think everyone else has done a sufficient job of that, though it seems to be getting nowhere fast. You're either going to vote for him, or you're not. Honestly, I feel he is less mafia, and more likely to be the Reporter. He has mentioned the role countless times and it would be a better fit for him. The Reporter really doesn't have much power, except for how well they can voice their opinion throughout the day cycle. If they can get people to side with them, then they are more likely to eliminate the other special roles. However, the way I see it, Makaze will be lynched pretty soon here no matter what his role is. Either he is Reporter / Mafia and gets lynched by the town, or he is Town / Reporter and gets lynched by the mafia. I don't see him lasting too many more days / nights. That is pretty much all I have to say on the Makaze front for the time being. I'm honestly getting a little sick of it.

Next, I saw Maru(?) make mention of Jiku. I'm not going to go back to double - check, it's not worth it. I just wanted to say this on Jiku's behalf:

When the game started and we were still waiting on a couple of people to make their first post, I asked in one of the skype chats if anyone had seen Jiku. A short while later she came on stating that she had been visiting with friends, then proceeded to make mention of that in her entry post. Later, she briefly mentioned on skype that depending on how the next couple of days go, she may consider dropping out of the game because she was unsure of her activity status. This has been brought to Nova's attention and several people here can confirm my story -- Craig, and Makaze are two that were both present at the time. That being said, that was the entirety of the out of game discussion, as it is against the rules to say much more. I'm hoping that @Jiku Neon can post something soon, because I would rather her be lynched than disqualified for inactivity. That would just be no fun, especially since we do not have anymore members in the waiting list. I'm not saying vote Jiku, I'm just sharing reasoning behind her absence.

[[ Side note tangent, sorry: @ars nvoa, were you planning to do the critique/MVP thing again at the end of the game, because I know I certainly would like to see how I stack up compared to last time around. ]]

Next, I wanted list my completely crazy theories for Trigs death that have not been mentioned yet, because I know they sound ridiculous. I have three possible ideas that no one has mentioned.
The first being that the mafia might not have even killed him. It could have been the vigilante. There is the likelihood that the mafia couldn't agree on a victim and didn't kill anyone.
The next being that the Redirector didn't fully understand the role and Trigs death was an accident. They might have been planning to kill someone else entirely and the Redirector screwed it up.
The third one kind of goes along with the first in the sense that either the vigilante or the mafia managed to find the member with the BPV on the first night and one of them didn't die, while the other did.

I will admit that all three seem highly unlikely and Trigs was probably chosen at random or for some other deeper meaning that has already been mentioned by several others, but I just wanted to throw out a couple of possibilities that I doubted anyone else had thought of.

As for who I find the most suspicious now, I'd still leave it as Ben and Makaze for the top two. However, Beema, TB, and Haya - kun's laxidasical (I know I spelled that completely wrong) attitudes are really starting to rub me the wrong way. Nothing they have said has really contributed in any way, shape, or form. I know Beema and TB personally and I know that this is just how they are -- big goofs, but I don't know Haya - kun all that well and I just feel like I should go with my gut right now and say:

__// Vote: Bite the Dust

If it comes to the point where we are like one vote away from hard lynching Makaze then I will change my vote, but until then, I want to give him a chance to sniff out some other possible threats before he is completely eliminated. Either way I see it, his inevitible lynching will have a major impact on the game. Depending on what his roles is, it could really make or break our chances as the town.

 

I was trying to explain that The Fuk changed his views because there was a few day break and it probably gave him time to come to a different conclusion, which I don't really think is a red flag. I think I was just really ****ing exhausted and couldn't make my point very clearly.

 

Unvote Lost girl

Fair enough Nomes, valid post and it was really just to flush out some conversation from you, no real mafia vibes at the moment, time will tell however.

Vote: default

You seem very heavy handed in signing onto Kaze's death warrant without a whole lot to validate it, to the point where I worry if it's more personal than in game as to why you'd support his death. I honestly feel Kaze is probably one of the least 'scummy' in terms of his posts, he's just very abrasive and analytical in everything he says, maybe some people pick up on this as hostile, but I don't think it's honestly the case, it's just his nature, someone like What? Could be saying the exact same things and I feel you'd side with him as opposed to jump on him just because he's that sort of person. I would still be very surprised if Kaze turned out to be Mafia, and that's why I will not aid in his mislynching.

 

I felt he was wishy-washy because of that thing about The Fuk's view change (What view change? He said he was suspecting me from Day 1), but more importantly how ready he was to paint me as a threat, then moving back to seeing me as an asset, then as a threat again.

Throughout all of his monologue-ing, he didn't ask me a single question. He didn't try to figure me out. He didn't vote me to get my attention. He just waited for someone else to agree with him so that he could vote for me safely.

Rubs me as weird.[DOUBLEPOST=1409084288][/DOUBLEPOST]

About this. Before I die, I'd like to say that I don't think Marushi is scum. Don't flip onto her just because she found me suspicious. She's too careless and flamboyant, and dare I say she's honest. I'm reading her as clumsy town for now.

 

Alright, so What? made several good points regarding Makaze's suspicious behavior and the possible reasons or misinterpretations therein, so for now I'd like to officially Unvote: Makaze. I admit, I forgot my own warnings to try and see things from the point of who's saying them, and I also lost track of my intentions to not let my own subconscious thought that Makaze would make a very interesting mafia member cloud my general interpretations of what he does.
So, I give myself very good advice, but I very seldom follow it. XD

I also want to say, I was wrong to dismiss his suspicions of The Fuk? simply because I thought he was shifting blame. I can't say I agree with all the reasons behind his case, but I definitely think the suspicions themselves are worthy of note.

As for the quiet members, I think Bite The Dust's explanation could work, but I don't intend to let him off the hook for that much of an excuse much longer. even if you feel you have nothing to say, please at least try to participate.

As for Hayabusa, you don't have enough time to even post a quick comment now and again, but you can post gifs in response to somebody's posts? Again, please at least try to participate.

Jiku's reasons seem valid enough, and as there are witnesses, I can't dispute them. However, if Iremember correctly, Jayn skated through the first Mafia game for most of it, for the same reasons, and she turned out to be Mafia. (Though, I'm not sure. Am I remembering correctly?) While I can't say "This is suspicious," I would caution that we don't ignore her because of it.

Alzo, Zazu, thank you for your response to my asking what you thought of everything that was going on.

However, @TwilightBlader and @TheWorldThatNeverWas , you guys still haven't given much reasons behind your silence.

And finally, I want to call out Princess ♥, (though that's not showing up for tagging). You haven't been giving much reasoning behind your votes, I think. I understand that you view this as just a game, and you're not taking it too seriously, but can you please explain some of the thought behind your views?

 

Well, I forgot to vote during my initial posts and didn't realize it. So it wasn't really a matter of making a safe move.

Also, you're aggressiveness makes you seem scummy and that's all I'm really going on, I won't deny that. I think that kind of attitude when playing this game is going to result in a lot of mislynches and I think you're a liability because of that

Maybe if you took it down a notch, it wouldn't really come across that way.

 

Yeah, maybe.

I'm definitely feeling stir crazy with so many inactive members. Everywhere I look, I'm seeing people talking about the need for new cases, but seeing no one fill the need.

The waiting game kills me.

 

Getting rid of the inactive members would make the game more active and interesting, not to mention run faster. There wouldn't be so much silence and the people that would be left are those that actually contribute.

 

To answer your question Hyuge, it depends if everyone's interested. I want the players to sign off on it because criticism can be tough to take, especially in a game like this.

 

This is something I can agree with. Especially if it means a friendlier Mak.

 

Yes, but unfortunately there are so many that if we policy lynched them we would have wasted days, days in which valuable people could be night killed by the mafia.

 

But what if the mafia decides not to go for them specifically to make our days more difficult?

 

The only real solution is to not have inactive players in the first place.

 

Edit: I read that wrong. Sorry.[DOUBLEPOST=1409086040][/DOUBLEPOST]the only way to not have inactive players is if we do something about it. We can only coax them to post so much.