Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

If you had one you would have been told.

Sorry, kid.

 

I just assumed it was something everyone had. I'VE NEVER PLAYED MAFIA WITH ROLE MODIFIERS BEFO-

role modifier...

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vote: cstar

 

I think he is town because mafia would never drop out, but your logic is faulty here.

He isn't mafia, but mafia want us to think he is. -> Mafia don't shoot him.
He is mafia. -> Mafia don't shoot him.

Since we can't eliminate either possibility, mafia not shooting him doesn't prove anything. In other words, they made a good move.

 

I believe Makaze is with the Mafia. I think he was the clear cut target for the first night. He appears to be the most dedicated person here, and is one of the smartest. Like Ben said, he has a strong personality. It takes a smart person to put on an act and constantly be so aggressive at the same time. He has been the most vocal about other people's actions, and people respond positively to that. From what I have seen, he is the clear cut leader during the day hours of the game. While most people, including myself, are sitting back and watching, he has been planting seeds. He has been giving everyone something to think about. Well, here are my thoughts.

What? has been asking me what I meant by "keeping an eye on the most vocal", and Makaze was who I was referring too. For the entire first day, Makaze has been constantly questioning people's dedication to the town. He started off with three votes against him at the very beginning based on light suspicion, and was able to end up with zero votes on the first day. He did very little to actually defend himself against the votes. All he really did was play the concerned detective role extremely well.

He said things like:

"I'm trying too hard because mafia is a team game. If you aren't going to help then you are a liability to town, or mafia. Town nearly always lose this game. Sitting back and watching is not a luxury you have as town."

"Don't sit back and watching. Lynch the people I say should be lynched."

"We have a real, tangible reason to think you are anti-town."

"Playing it safe is not pro-town."

"We have to thin it down and work as a team. If we wait until the end, it will be a lot more work for you to move votes from Beau to anyone else; I strongly believe he'll win out if you wait."

Anti-town this. Help the town that. Hurry up and vote based on some observations about Beau's passive personality. These quotes may look like that are taken out of context, but it's less about each situation specifically and more about a vibe he has been giving off overall. This may very well be someone with the town, who is legitimately trying to find the mafia so the town can win. On the other hand, it could be a smart tactic to convince members of the town to kill each other.

He voted Crowley randomly at the very start, unvoted, and then voted him again at 6:39pm on Wednesday. He says in his post, "That said, twenty minutes to dead line... Better hurry...". At 6:55pm, 6:56pm, 7:18pm, three more people voted for Crowley, I joined in an hour later, and eventually Crowley was soft-lynched. I'm not going to say that because Crowley was town, that automatically means Makaze is Mafia, but if we had lynched a Mafia, that surely would have helped his case.

The only way I see a situation where Makaze is town. and the mafia didn't kill him last night, is that the Mafia thinks that keeping him alive and lynching town members is helpful to their cause. Without Makaze's strong leadership, town members will spend less time thinking about the ideas he shares, and more time investigating for themselves. That means there's a possibility of no lynches during the day hours, and I would imagine they want as many people lynched as quickly as possible.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Vote: Makaze

 

oh wow

 

The person I voted for was Krowley, not Crowley.

Not only do I have several people who think I am or could be mafia already, but by the same logic that the mafia might want to avoid killing Beau, they might want to avoid killing me to avoid the eye of the town Watcher. This isn't vanilla mafia; the mafia can't go for the obvious kill.

If I'm right about Beau, then my leadership so far as led us to soft lynches on no less than two town in one day's time. I'm active but clearly no threat yet.

Let me get this right... You think I am mafia because I am too much of a help to town?

On the other hand, mafia would have great incentive not to take the kill on anyone obvious, but instead paint their obvious targets as scum in the day. You can't Watch a lynch. Which strategy is safer? Killing me at night, or using the fact that I was not killed as proof of my scummy-ness?

 

I agree, a lot of people were getting swept up by Makaze's posts and, in a way, bandwagoning with him. For some, it was to vote off Krowley, for others, like myself, it was to keep him alive. Having Makaze lynched might be the wrong move as he may be town, but regardless of his affiliation, his personality is likely to get many people to go in one direction or an other. If he is Mafia, he's leading us down a dark road, if he's Town, he may get lucky and get us to lynch a Mafia member, but if yesterday was any indication, he did get many to vote off Krowley. I think it's best if makaze is lynched, because at best, he is a liability and will just convince us to go chasing rabbits.

 

On closer reading, you've made several mistakes.

You repeatedly said the name Crowley, naming them as the person you voted for. You did in fact vote for Krowley, with the correct spelling, the first time. How did you forget your own vote?

You misquoted me: "Don't sit back and watching. Lynch the people I say should be lynched." Not only did I not say this, I actively worked to get people to make cases instead of just agree or vote without comment. I wanted more info, not more votes. Side note, next time you want to slip a fake quote in with real ones, proofread it.

Your vote for Krowley came well after the announcement that time was not running out, and after we had enough for a soft lynch. Why did you add to the wagon? What did you gain?

You voted Krowley, taking us past a soft lynch, without comment or reason, under little to no pressure to do so. You then forgot who you voted for.

Lot of red flags here.

 

Sometimes it's easier to analyze the situation from outside, which the night phase has given him.

 

You mistook my meaning; all of those are red flags against him.

 

oh, i was just referring to voting for krowley.

 

To confirm in an official capacity: The Bulletproof Vest is not triggered (lol) manually, it is a passive boon to the player who has one. And yes, only one player has one. Cstar, you probably have played a game with a Bulletproof in it before, just not named as such (or given a kooky title like "role modifier" instead of a flat-out role, I'm just an incessant subcategorizer).

 

You're arguing that he forgot who he voted for because he had time to analyze it?

 

If that's the way you want to put it, yes. I believe your aggression has the been the most suspicious thing I have seen so far.

I admit that you make a good point about the Watcher, but I don't know who the Watcher is. All I know is what I see. If the day was indicative of how this game is going to go, someone is going to get lynched today, and I believe that you should be that person.

I didn't forget who I voted for. I have just been misspelling it today. I voted for Krowley. It's easy to confuse the two letters when there are two members with the same name on the same game. "Crowley" replied to me earlier in this thread, and then changed her name back to Cat, so the whole thing has been mixing me up.

That was my mistake. I spent a lot of time rewriting and reorganizing that I got some parts mixed up. I would edit the original post if it wasn't against the rules.

I voted for Krowley because I agreed with your logic at the time. I thought Krowley was Mafia, and it would be in my best interest to follow my gut instead of trying to start something new. If Krowley was Mafia, and here I am trying to get the attention off of him, he gets lynched, and people are going to immediately start looking at me. I know you might respond back by saying it's suspicious that I wouldn't want people being suspicious of me, but part of the Town strategy is making sure that people that don't suspect me, because if they lynch me, all that's going to do is help the Mafia. I still wasn't confident about my suspicions of you. I was waiting for this day to see if you would killed at night. If you weren't, I would vote for you to be lynched.

 

I would excuse the mistake on the name if it were a standalone offense, but it's not. We had a soft lynch on Krowley. You could have said 'I agree with the lynch but don't want to hammer it' and not voted, or pressured someone else. If you know your top target is getting lynched, you could spend the rest of the day gathering intel. Instead you added to the wagon. For the entire first day you put forth absolutely no effort to hunt anyone. Your vote on Krowley was pure sheeping on other peoples' work. On top of that, you admit your vote was purely for the sake of self-preservation.

All of this is reading as a scum tell.

If that wasn't bad enough, I want to focus on the real issue. The most suspicious thing you did, by a long shot, was misquote me. I know that one wasn't a simple mistake because you got the other ones ad verbatim. No one else in the thread said anything remotely like the misquote. You had to intentionally type that one out on your own.

You have a quote feature at your disposal. You went through the trouble of copy pasting three other posts, one of them far more lengthy. Using the multi-quote button would have far easier than copy pasting from the posts. You went out of your way to get that one wrong.

In fact I suspect you avoided the quote feature specifically so that the misquote didn't stand out as much and you could get away with it easier if it were called out.

Why would a town make a dishonest case?

 

i'm not saying he forgot. i'm saying that even though he did vote for krowley, he was able to reflect on his previous actions and course of thought without influence.

 

Thanks

 

Then what exactly are you defending? The only concrete mistake he made with Krowley today was messing up the name. The rest regards his vote itself, from Day 1. Red flags from yesterday aren't suddenly not red flags because he thinks better of them today. Mafia have 20/20 hindsight just like town.

 

i'm not defending anything, just bring up other viewpoints.

 

What is that view, and why did you present it in response to that bit of my post?