Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

UNVOTE FOR WHAT /HIP-HOP BEATZ

• Beau - 4 (Makaze, Trigger, Calxiyn, Cstar)
• default - 1 (Marushi)
• Krowley - 1 (h y u g e)
• Cstar - 1 (default)
• The Fuk? - 1 (What?)
• TwilightBlader - 1 (Vivi's Dark Side)

With 20 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch and 5 to soft-lynch. Day ends Thursday, August 21st, 7:00 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).

Two points of clarity, on request: First, faction selection is about 90% random. No, the last 10% is not who was what in their last game. Anybody can be anything. Second, the Reporter can win posthumously. And while I will neither confirm nor deny what some of you may be wondering in lieu of this, I suggest you ask the Reporter yourself if/when you find him/her.

 

Hey man, I'm just letting you guys do most of the legwork. I'm not one for making huge leaps of faith without any stable footing, ya dig? It's the first day, and it's been a whole ton of fun trying to slog through all of these posts, but I'm not very good at making compelling arguments.

You guys can discuss all of this at length and try to figure out who is who on this first day based on a couple of hunches, and you may or may not be right, and I'll just go with the flow. And I will go with the flow because that...



...is the Dandy way of doing things.

 

DOUBLE POST!

Sorry, Makaze, when I clicked the "view messages posted since last loading the page" button, it only showed about half. *shrugs* Your reasons for not agreeing with the other candidates makes some sense. Thank you.[DOUBLEPOST=1408506480][/DOUBLEPOST]Rgh, you bunch of post ninjas! Maybe I just need more coffee or something. XD

 

There is a lot of horrible reactions after the initial blunder, but I'm baffled as to why the thing itself isn't sinking in:

He said 'you all townies'. As in, 'you group I am not a part of'. Wouldn't be such an issue if it made sense as typo, but it doesn't. People don't say 'you all group that I am a part of'. It has only one interpretation. He didn't consider himself part of 'townies' when he said it.

It's really, really hard to get a better tell than that.

He has four votes as of now, I believe.

My other choice would be Krowley.

No. I only count that logic when a real wagon forms. If you were actively against it past 6 votes on a gut read, then I'd raise a brow.

About your default vote, I'm seeing it as a waste of time, like a lot of the votes so far. default saw your vote and reacted. Votes aren't flocking to your target. You aren't pressing it further. Your case on him is dead for now. Letting your case sit on him, sitting on your vote, is not helping us get anywhere.

 

Yeah, can't really get a better lead on the first day other than that.

As said before if he turns out to be town this will suck but you gotta start somewhere I suppose.

Vote: Beau

 

Not to argue with you but when you have a habit of saying Ya'll all the time (I have it too) sometimes you just type it out without thinking.

 

i'm still sorta baffled that all this started over a simple grammar thing lol

it's just something i say i don't really think about the implications of it

 

Well, I guess it really could be either way.

 

I don't think it was just the one time, nor a grammar mistake. You've spoken of town as something different from you elsewhere as well:

'The town'.

Not once have you said 'us'.

Can't shake the feeling.

That said, I think we need another option for this vote since it already has five and counting.

My secondary suspicion is Krowley; I am willing to switch to that vote if enough people prefer it. We have almost two days left.

 

Alright, I went back and got the post in question. The word itself is what caused your suspicion, right? Well, look at the context.

He's talking in the past tense from a future point perspective. Basically, he's saying "If you have to lynch one of us, I'd rather you lynch me than Makaze, because he could help you all better than I could." If it had been phrased that way, it wouldn't have caused nearly the alarm it has. Aye, the way it is phrased makes it pretty suspicious. In fact, it makes it very suspicious. But it's a red flag, not the basis for a case.

So logic is only logical if it gets a following? I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me. It would seem that logic is logic, regardless of what the general consensus is. As for being actively against something on a "gut read," I have explained my reasons for my being against it several times now, it's got nothing to do with my gut. And why is it worth raising a brow after six votes? I feel like you are trying to make me out to be Mafia now. I suppose this was the risk for being so outspoken about this. Especially if you turn out to be right about Beau. But I'm not going to jump on that bandwagon when I don't think it's right. You have enough for a soft lynch now, my vote is unnecessary for your goal. Although you have proven that you have the capability to successfully lead a wagon. As for sitting on my vote, I'll say what I have said since I cast it; my vote stays until someone else comes along who is more suspicious. Sitting on it, I may be. But I have no reason to change it at this time. I will still continue to investigate, I'm not going to focus on him, there's nothing more yet for my to read. So I shan't be wasting my time by not bothering to unvote him while I investigate other likely[DOUBLEPOST=1408508713][/DOUBLEPOST]DOUBLE POST! lol, ugh, my laptop is freaking out lately. XD One word, you couldn't leave on one word? XD

Candidates. I'll investigate other likely candidates.

 

Arright fellas, more news. Beau has decided to opt out of the game.

Obviously this puts us in an awkward place, with him at soft lynch and deadline a day and a half away. So I decided to poll the players and see what they'd prefer: Shall I try and recruit some poor shmuck to replace into what's looking like a spot on death row, or do you want to lynch the empty slot and call it a Day? I know, not an easy choice, but one I feel the players ought to make. Nova be honest you're just lazy OK MAYBE A LITTLE. POINT STANDS THO. 'Course the time it takes for people to weigh in may be enough to make the decision for us. I guess we'll see.

 

Oh, okay. I hope we weren't being too mean... Beau, I'm sorry if we got a little carried away... some of us are really really bored and have nothing better to do with our time *cough* okay, yeah, I might also have pushed off some real stuff to keep playing. XD

But anyway, I don't really think it would be fair to the new guy if we were to bring one in now... I suppose, if everyone else wants to, it probs would be best to go ahead and call it.

 

Me too, It's hard coming into a game where the guy before you was suspected so much (personal experience).

 

I have never been one for long conversation. Not that there's anything wrong with what people are doing, but I've just been taking everything in. All I'll add is that I don't underestimate the intelligence of the members of this game. People are looking for the players that are making the fewest posts and contributing the least, but we should not forget to look for over actors as well. Some people are saying town this and town that. "Look at how much I care about finding the Mafia members". Those are the ones we should be suspicious of.

 

Red flags are exactly what you base cases on.

Get better at two things. Getting the correct impression the first time it's explicitly stated, and explicitly stating your meaning in one to three sentences.

The particular reasoning in question only makes sense when someone refusing to vote is doing so without solid reasons, especially against a stronger argument or a majority. If you happened to be dead set against a lynch on someone who was looking very suspicious, that would cast suspicion on you because the only reason to be dead set against a lynch is if you know the suspicions on them are baseless.

Refusing to vote with a weak case does not mean much. I already said that it did not apply to you because there wasn't a wagon big enough for it to be an issue. I explained when I would suspect you specifically to contrast the difference with our current circumstances.

If I think you are mafia, I'll outright say it. Your assumptions are wild. Your interpretations of my positions have been wrong at every turn. Think before you post. Slim your posts down. Maybe then you won't have these double posting problems.

Sucks about Beau. There's not much you can do with this situation.[DOUBLEPOST=1408512369][/DOUBLEPOST]Learning from my earlier experiences, clarifying before you misunderstand again.

"If you happened to be dead set against a lynch on someone who was looking very suspicious, that would cast suspicion on you because the only reason to be dead set against a lynch is if you know the suspicions on them are baseless."

As town, you can't know that they are baseless. There are no town aligned cop roles. You must be mafia or reporter if you know. If you don't know, then you're acting strangely.

See my first couple of posts about Wagons and the context they should be used in.[DOUBLEPOST=1408512540][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, I vote to lynch and call it a day. It was hectic enough getting to that point.[DOUBLEPOST=1408513403][/DOUBLEPOST]@Marushi: If you couldn't tell, you touched a pet peeve of mine. I figure I've got time.

Logic is logic, but the context it is applied in is what makes it valuable. Take the following logical process:

P1: Everything I say is true.
P2: I say you are mafia.
Conclusion: You are mafia.

This is logical. You could say it's Objective Truth, if we assume P1 and P2. However, both proposition 1 and 2 are false. The context is hypothetical. The context of my logic for people who refuse to vote on a wagon is context-dependent, like most logic. It doesn't apply to every situation. The premises have to be true.

If you don't understand the context, say you don't understand. It goes a lot faster than typing out your long winded speculation.

 

Easy now, remember rule 1.

 

Yeah, yeah...

Sorry, Marushi. Lost sight of the game part of the game.

 

Can't blame him, if I were in his position I would have done the same.

 

That's okay, I did too. you're probs right anyway, I like these kinds of ganes, but I'll be the first to admit I'm a far cry from good at them. It's the same with games like Risk, or anything else involving strategy or puzzles or analytical thinking. super fun, but I almost always lose. ^.^ tomorrow when I'm less tired and less stressed, I'll probs reread this whole thing and be heartily ashamed of myself. xD

 

I will admit that in the very beginning I was erratic and nervous. I was very nervous to participate in this game because I have never played a game like this and didn't want to make a fool of myself if I did play. default can vouch for me on this, as soon as I signed on I kept coming to him on Skype and telling him how I was nervous and questioned if I should even join the game.

Regarding whether or not we should call it a day or not, I say no. Why end the day when we still have a lot of time to figure more things out and gather more information? The only people who really benefit from calling it a day are the mafia because the town gets less time than originally planned and they get to do their killing.

With Beau gone there's no reason to keep my vote for him, and I don't intend on keeping the vote on whoever takes their place because they shouldn't be held accountable for Beau's actions or words.

So, for now I'd like to place my vote on Krowley. Besides pointing out Beau separating himself from the town he hasn't helped much, and I don't think he even intended to help there. Was just making some kind of joke that accidentally ended up aiding us. He has been quiet and when he does speak up it's ambiguous, encouraging votes for himself, and generally causing confusion. I don't really want that kind of person around because it just makes things chaotic. I'd love to hear more from him, maybe something that isn't nonsense.

Vote: Krowley