Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

oh totally missed this lol

i'd probs vote for trig bc he and makaze are rubbing me the wrong way but i feel that if makaze is town [ as opposed to trig ] he'd be more useful

 

Try to say more with fewer words. I'll cut to the thick:

1. If a lot of people vote for Beau mid phase, Beau is probably not mafia (due to mafia not wanting to lynch their own). If a lot of people actively do not want to lynch Beau mid phase, it could mean that the lynch is on the right track since mafia would not want to lynch them. This all depends on the context of the votes, but statistics usually don't lie; mafia make up a notable number of votes. Sorry about my wording.

2. I'm playing with people who want to sit around and have to ask me why I think we should be doing things this early. I can't gather info by my lonesome. I've tried the 'Do you-know-what, *wink wink*' routine. It's not working on this crowd.

3. By explaining/eliminating a lot of mafia's actions, I'm making it harder for them to maneuver freely. They can't outright do anything I've said. You can now work with something: What would mafia do if they couldn't do the things I've said?

4. I've asked multiple times for people to press other cases. No one wants to take risks. At this rate you will all sheep me at the end of phase and lynch Beau without learning anything or pressing any pressure points. That's not a win in my book, but at least lynching them will give some info. Anything is better than nothing.

 

okay honestly i'd really appreciate it if you could call me he instead of they thanks @Makaze

 

It's a personal quirk; I switch depending on context without thinking, for everyone. Nothing personal.

 

Other leads you mean? There are a few out there by a number of people, if that is the case. Marushi mentioned one with default, hyuge brought up Krowley, and I have The Fuk for a few examples. At the moment I assume some are waiting for replies or more evidence. A few folks have yet to reply to the accusations, but the alternative cases are in the works.

 

Not exactly. We need to find a way to put the mafia on the spot. Voicing singular opinions doesn't force their hand.

Here's an example: Find two possible lynches for the day; the two most suspicious people. Discuss them at length and then force a vote for consolidation at the end. You will gain info on both the targets and the voters no matter what.

 

This is a great idea, your example, but what if we come across a situation where multiple people don't reply until the last second?

I'll write up a bigger post in a bit in length but the two most suspicious people to me are Beau and Trigger.[DOUBLEPOST=1408503012][/DOUBLEPOST]*I'll write a bigger post in a bit but [continues]

 

Alright, so the first point makes some sense, I guess. Thank you for the clarification.

For your third point, I think that, depending on who makes up the mafia, they could do a lot more than you seem to think. Perhaps they don't care enough to try and figure out something new. Perhaps they're smart enough to do exactly what you say they can't and still make it work out for them. And perhaps they will do something that you not only say they can't, but will attack you personally, just to spite you. It's important to be outspoken and to make yourself heard, yes, but don't mistake being valuable with being indispensable. If you're not careful, you might end up losing your edge faster than you think.

As for your fourth point, I think you are once again feeling too sure in your current position. You say that there are no other cases and so we'll all just follow you for Beau. You then immediately disregard What?, who brings up at least three other cases: My case against default, hyuge's case against Krowley, and his defense against the Fuk?. You say in your second point that you've been trying the whole "what do you think" routine and it hasn't been working. This is false, as at least I, if no one else, have expounded on my feelings regarding Beau again and again. However, since you don't seem to be open to discussing anyone except Beau without open request, I'll request it.

What do you think about default and his posts? Why are they not worthy of mention?
What do you think about hyuge's suspicions against Krowley? Do you know something we don't?
And finally, what do you think about what What? said against the Fuk? (can I get a what What? XD) Why is this just a singular opinion to you, instead of a candidate up for debate?

 

I know that Beau has the most hard evidence against him and currently the most votes. Other than that, no. I do know that each person with your own ideas isn't going to lead to a majority lynch. Too many suspects: Me, Beau, default, Trigger, What?, Krowley. Not enough people to vote for all of those.

We have to thin it down and work as a team. If we wait until the end, it will be a lot more work for you to move votes from Beau to anyone else; I strongly believe he'll win out if you wait.

 

well i do wanna "win it out" lol bc y'all will lose a townie which'll only reduce your numbers yk

 

Alright you know what

unvote: Trigger
vote: Beau

at this point, regardless whether or not you are a townie, or a mafia member... you aren't helping. At all. In any case you just seem like one large distraction. If you turn out to be a townie, we ****ed up. If not, then yay I guess.

 

Sorry, answers.

default hasn't done enough to make me lean any which way other than misunderstand the game. He has done a lot of fearing and speculating, not a lot of investigating. I think he is inexperienced, not intentionally misleading. I did contradict him on his bad posts. @default: I'd like to hear some kind of response on those fronts.

Krowley is playing a hard anti-town game, inviting his own death to avoid suspicion and doing no work for town. A decent lynch target. One problem: He did that in reaction, not out of the blue, and in reaction to me. We'll know more by his voting record. I say policy lynch him if he refuses to take part.

I'm trying to find much content between What? and The Fuk but it looks like What? asked him a question, he dodged, and that was it. Not seeing a case from either of them.

Trigger has been erratic but that's not a sin in itself. Gut reads town, behavior reads nervous, possibly scum.

 

whoops may have shot myself in the foot there but it's not like what i said was false ??

like what can i do to prove my innocence? like honestly bc i really don't wanna die on night one

 

It's simple.

Don't worry about self-preservation. Think of ways to find out who is scum (if not you) and act on your plans.

 

i understand that self-preservation isn't exactly helping town bc it doesn't really help track down mafia / the reporter but i'm not really sure what i can do[DOUBLEPOST=1408504731][/DOUBLEPOST]

but like how ??? i'm not good at this kinda stuff i just did this for fun like idk how to ask the right questions or prod for answers or sniff out the mafia

 

@Makaze but i don't understand doesn't that make whomever look suspicious too?? calling ppl out and such i feel like it can backfire

like it's weird bc the mafia could be doing that to pin an innocent townie but then again it could just be a misguided townie yk like there's a big risk there i feel

but i'll try it out nonetheless

 

You can't expect to be right 100% of the time. If you hold out to vote until you are sure, you will end up becoming a liability. Mafia know who mafia are. We don't. They can group together. If we refuse to because it's too risky, we will lose.

 

I like this idea. We pick the two most suspicious people, question them, then get get information out of that. Rather than questioning everyone at once and not getting anywhere. At least we'll have something to work with.

 

First off, what hard evidence? He said "y'all," and doesn't have a good defense strategy. I don't remember much else against him at all.

As for the most votes, he's got three; one from you, one from Calxiyn, and one from Trigger. And tbh, having the most votes doesn't really prove anything save your ability to persuade.

And there being too many suspects and the necessity to thin it down is EXACTLY why I'm saying you shouldn't be pushing to rush Beau's lynching. Out of the twenty of us, I specifically asked you to examine three. I'm not calling for a vote. I'm asking you to tell me why you don't consider them even worthy of investigation.

You also say here that if we wait, it would be harder for me to move votes from Beau to someone else. First off, he's only got three votes, and I'm not waiting. I voted for default a long time ago, and I've brought him up again and again. Why are you ignoring this? You almost seem to be trying to take the heat off of him by pushing so hard against Beau. And part of your argument for him is that he's got so many votes. You're making it seem as if he has more than he does.

And finally, you keep saying that you want to vote for Beau because we have to lynch someone and nobody is giving more candidates. Then when people bring more candidates, you write them off flippantly and say that we have little chance of getting votes when Beau is so suspicious. Which is it? Is Beau just the only likely suspect, or is he genuinely suspicious?

Also, on a sidenote, you've mentioned a couple times now that if someone is adamantly against voting for someone in the middle phase, they're likely to be Mafia. I can't help but feel this is directed at my adamant insistence that I don't believe we should lynch Beau. Am I right?