Mafia [Mafia] Miami Haze ~ GAME OVER (MAFIA WINS)

Let's have some discussion to speed things along.

Who do you think mafia will target tonight?[DOUBLEPOST=1408422353][/DOUBLEPOST]That goes to everyone, by the way, not just Marushi and What?.

 

Hmm... I think the Mafia will most likely target either Calxiyn or Reno, due to their silence. At least, if their strategy is at all similar to how it was last game. I think they will probs start taking out the silent members first, so we have less to go on then if they targeted the outspoken who might have said something dangerous. If they don't take out those who have so far been completely silent, they might also take out one of the people who have posted, but haven't said anything of value; i.e. people who have made a joke or have only come to say they won't be around much.

Of course, there's a chance that this time, the Mafia will have a completely different strategy, where they DO take out the high-profile people first. Since this is day one and the Mafia have yet to strike, there's no pattern for us to look at.

 

I think that maybe the would go after someone like Hayabusa who only made one post and didn't really contribute to anything, but then again there are some people who have posted a lot and haven't been productive either (like me (o´･_･)っ kinda makes me feel like an easy target cause im one of the weak players) but at this point I think the mafia could kill anyone.

 

Going back and reading posts, I've come to find myself very suspicious of Princess.

Out of the gate you've had a thing for Makaze. Your very first post was a vote for Makaze. For what reason?

Basically side stepping the question and avoiding giving a real answer until Makaze asks again. When asked a second time, this was your response:

Why is this suspicious? Rational talking and trying to get answers seems suspicious? That's the least suspicious thing anyone could be doing. What is he (all of us, really) supposed to do? Sit on his hands and wait for something to happen? There is nothing wrong with taking action. As far as I'm concerned this answer was just more hot air.

You then defend Beau because everyone handles things differently, then criticize Makaze because of how he handles. Makaze's way of playing has gotten us places, slowly but surely. He has asked a lot of questions, he requests reasoning when people do something. That is a good, and fair way to play. There is discussion. Yet you ask us to 'chill' and just 'let the game play out'. Why? That seems like the mindset a Mafiosi would have. To just wait things out. You seem to be the one wanting to take control. Threatened by how Makaze has started the game off with a bang and how we've gotten into the thick of things quickly

As far as Makaze potentially being mafia and trying to control the situation and how people vote, he has warned us that bandwagoning is something to be wary of because it makes you suspicious and look like mafia. Also, I believe we're all smart enough to vote with our heads and our own reasons instead of blindly following suit of someone. If he is mafia, sure, maybe he's just offering this kind of advice to cover himself, or maybe he's a townie genuinely wanting to offer help.

Makaze is a big target for the mafia no matter how aggressive he is or isn't so I'm glad he is playing the way that he is. You want to restrain him. You speak like a Mafiosi acknowledging Makaze is a threat to the mafia and are trying to calm the game down and hinder progress to no real benefit of the townies.

Unvote: Beau

Vote: Princess ♥

 

From an outside perspective your actions are sound and make sense, I see no reason not to vote for me.[DOUBLEPOST=1408430146][/DOUBLEPOST]All that being said....

So you're basically calling me a hypocrite for defending Beau and not Makaze? That makes sense because I am, as are most people. I am not using this as a basis to defend myself, if you want to vote me off then go for it. The whole "Makaze has gotten us places thing" is only true if you actually knew which side he was on and assuming you are a clueless town member like most of us, you wouldn't know. Is it so wrong for me to choose to be neutral.

I asked Makaze to chill because some of his posts seemed a bit..."******y" and it was getting on my nerves. Of course I would defend Beau vs Makaze in terms of good vs bad because one was acting super aggressive and the other wasn't. I am by no means "trying to take control of this game" / the people in it. I really don't feel like putting that much effort into something like this. This could bring up the "well if you don't feel like trying, don't play". Everyone plays their own style, and I guess this is where the whole hypocrite thing comes in. I didn't like how Makaze was acting, but I am fine with myself and Beau. That makes me a hypocrite, not a mafia member.

Like I said though, you want to vote me off have at it but when we are down one less town member I guess you'll be sorry. Unless you are mafia then good job boy-o[DOUBLEPOST=1408430187][/DOUBLEPOST]Douchey*.

 

Probably a quiet player, since it will seem unprovoked and unsupsicious, if they axed someone who's pegged a few members as potential mafia and are pretty spot on, it might just make them look even more guilty.

I'm just going from last game though, since I missed the first day and mafia decided my goose was cooked.

 

Personally, I don't find Princess to be all that suspicious in this, although I do agree that things could have been handled a bit better. See, with all the people in this game, we can't go JUST by little things like word choice or phraseology, we have to determine a base code for each individual member, a "norm" of their own. We do all play differently, act differently, think differently. I didn't find Beau all that suspicious, because he was sticking to his established "norm." Yeah, he said some stuff that could be a red flag, but that's all it is, a red flag. And the red flags don't mean there IS something there, it's just an indicator that there COULD be something there. In the same way, Makaze's do-or-you-WILL-die attitude can be considered a red flag. That's why a lot of people found him suspicious earlier, and why a lot of people still do. But from what I've observed of Makaze, his behavior isn't straying much from his "norm." And imo, I don't think Princess's reactions were straying much from HIS "norm," either. This game isn't just about reading the posts, or even about reading between the lines, but also about reading the people themselves.
In the last game, Luxord came in halfway through as a replacement, and a replacement for someone who was acting very suspiciously, so this really hurt his chances to play the game with a clean slate and set up his own reputation as Townie/Mafia. However, he played his part of the game casually, almost flippantly, ending by dropping out himself (Let me just say, I don't know the circumstances regarding his leaving, and am not admonishing him for doing so). He also made several statements in that thread which consisted of the "it's just a game" mindset, which, really isn't wrong, as at the end of the day, it is just a game. That's why I wasn't concerned with his posts today, and his above post only serves to confirm that yes, he isn't going to be taking this as seriously as some of us are. And that's okay, really.

So I'm not saying to strike him off your list of Mafia candidates, because if I remember correctly, the role he played ended up being a Mafia... But I'm terrible with names in the best of times, and that whole situation confused me like all get-out. XD But yeah, he could very well be a member of the Mafia. I just don't think the above posts held much more than a few red flags to watch for as the game progresses.

Course, on a side note, I think that a lot of people quite frankly are looking for suspicion in Makaze because they WANT him to be a member of the Mafia. They want the challenge of finding the tell, facing off, proving that they're right... idk, maybe I'm just tired. I'll admit, I kinda feel like I want him to turn out to be Mafia myself, just to see where the game goes. Of course, maybe my refusal to let this love for the game cloud my judgement regarding his alignment is taking me too far the other way, where I'm coming at this with the predisposed idea that he's NOT Mafia; simply because I don't want to let myself come at it with the idea that he IS.

Wow, you know I'm tired when I start rambling instead of actually discussing matters. XD one thing about this game, every time I write up something like this I get the sense that I might be defending the wrong person... like, what if I'm wrong and totes ended up taking the heat off a Mafiosa? And then I feel like wherever they are, they're laughing at me. XD[DOUBLEPOST=1408433699][/DOUBLEPOST]As if the above post isn't long enough, I'm about to add a DOUBLE POST MERGER!!!

One more note: I saw that Calxiyn was online for a bit today... I understand that there would have been more important things to deal with on the site; if you're busy, you don't exactly have time to read through walls of posts for a game. But my point is, this will be the second time someone confirms she (he? Oh, I'm so bad at guessing) was online since the game started. Not alarming yet, but worthy of note.

 

Hot, and I'm sleepy.

 

You would think that right? Which is exactly why a smart Mafiosi would appear loud and focused.


"The idea of stealth is not knowing when to hide in the shadows, it's knowing how to hide in the light." -Sun Tzu

Actually I just made that up but it sounds like something he would have said.

 

All right, i have returned to the world of technology after spending the night with no internet or outside opinions influencing my decision. I have caught up on the very large discussion that took place and i am ready to cast my vote as Reno and Calxyin have not posted yet. I wish everyone would have gotten too, but we cant wait forever, now can we?

Vote: Krowley

Everyone has had some strong points and i cant really say i think any of the current targets are suspicious at the time being because yes, they are just being themselves. I have talked to all of them enough [except for Lux, but like Maru said, this is how he behaved last time] to know what they are like in everyday conversation. Krowley included, but something about him just doesnt sit right with me. I wont go back to quote everything because i am on my phone, but whoever made the initial vote for him got the response "yes, vote for krowley." I understand that it was probably a joke, but telling people to vote for you doesnt help the town, as we established last game. Hell, we almost lost our doctor because he voted for himself. I wouldnt want someone else with a role to vote for him/herself or tell people to vote for them and it cost us someone vital to our survival.

Krowley made several other similar comments as well and yes, while i know it is contradictory to make the vote, because then we run a greater risk of losing them, i dont want a bunch of reckless suicidal players. They arent helping the town search for mafia by doing so. Perhaps if krowley can come up with a good response or someone seriously tries to talk me out of it, i will change my vote, but until then , this is who i am going with.

 

I'm gonna keep it short right now since I'm on mobile and it'll be kind of hard to elaborate atm (but I'll make another big post later).

Luxord isn't acting any different than he did last game imo. From what I've seen he really doesn't care if he comes across as suspicious either way. Now, having said that, I could see why someone would vote for him right out the gate, but I just don't think there's enough to pin him down on either side yet.

I also get the weird feeling that the mafia might go for some of the more vocal members tonight, and here's why: if you take out people who're actively participating, you can throw suspicion onto people like Reno and Cal. It'd be smart, and it would be a bit of a surprise for the beginning of the game. But that's just my take on the whole thing.

And I'm still on the fence about @Krowley . Would you like to say something in your defense??

 

sigh

Unvote

 

The game picks up! Will reply more a bit later but just wanted to say that people should be wary of drawing conclusions based on "X person acted like this last game" because one's playstyle is not merely indicative of their role but the conditions of the game they find themselves in, and the conditions here are different enough to serve to be independent. [DOUBLEPOST=1408460569][/DOUBLEPOST]

Hard to say for certain when little clues are known about possible Mafia indicators. Since their groupthink is a collective it depends on the consideration of the group itself rather than a few key individuals, although the key individuals do indeed have the ability to skew things as they see fit.

Regardless of the fact, I am more inclined to say that the mafia would aim more for those in the neutral-ground in terms of activity. Taking out the bigwigs first removes the possibility of the mafia using the aforementioned to their own advantage of wagontargeting with these bigwigs leading the pack, letting us lynch ourselves to death on the backs of the loud ones. Influencing Townthink is as much of a tool of the mafia as night kills are. Quiet lurkers would either be naturally lynched by the suspicions of the town (even if they are town) or would serve as a good wagontarget fallback in the later days of the game when the mafia would need to quickly pin an assault on these equally-suspicious quiet ones to get the heat off of their heads. This leaves those in the middle ground who are not necessarily high-profile but are not consistently quiet and lurkish either. Paradoxically, it is these members who are also the likeliest to be scum due to the nature of the role.

This is just a general statement, and again the possibilities would differ based on the makeup and strategy of the mafia itself. With no clues or leads thus far besides our own assumptions of its composition in minutiae, we can only toss conjecture on what would be a likely outcome through personal bias. In acknowledgment of this, this discussion is open for potentially influencing the decisions of mafia night kills, so stay on tip-toes.

 

I'm here, so sorry guys

They'll probably try to target anyone who isn't suspicious or that the town thinks is suspicious as of now, since that would draw the attention away from that said person and possibly put it on one of them. They wouldn't kill suspicious people, they'll probably remain alive to function as a distraction from the real mafia. I don't think they would bother killing anyone the town suspects, since that would narrow in the field. It would be someone who is viewed either neutral or friendly.

Edit:

Just a thought; It probably won't be Mazkaze, What, Default, Beau, Marushi, or Trigger

 

I'm with Crowley, strategy wise. Scaring people into silence makes a lot of sense. A no lynch is a perfect win scenario for mafia. Tonight, however, the chances of anyone getting close to singling in on mafia are low. They have as little info as we do.[DOUBLEPOST=1408462297][/DOUBLEPOST]

That is part of the fun~.

If town can control the mafia, they are a step ahead so to speak.

 

Just a tip before Nova swoops in. You're not allowed to edit posts, even if it looks ugly. Doubleposting's fine but edits are a no-go. Wouldn't want anyone getting kicked over something so minor.

And I actually wouldn't put Marushi, What? or Makaze on that list. It makes sense to take out people who're being vocal, both in general and about certain members. While it might damn them, we saw that last game they used the sacrifice play with Jiku and threw us off a bit. Just try to remember that the mafia could certainly sacrifice one person early on for the sake of the whole.

I'd also keep an eye out for default (Rat). I do feel like he's one of the special roles after yesterday's debate on the matter, and if he's not dead soon he could definitely pose a real threat (especially if he ends up being the Vigilante and not the Reporter).

 

why do people think im rat

 

Ah, I forgot about that, sorry I'll make sure to remember next time. Thanks for letting me know.

 

Because you're mafia, and mafia are dirty, dirty rats

 

Vigs are primarily pro-town roles so long as they are rational and use their shots wisely. If you are the vig and you are reading this, don't fire from the hip. Make sure your aim is true. Collaborate with the other players. Ask questions, shoot later.

I thought default was Rainshine.