Mafia [MAFIA] [GAME OVER, TOWN VICTORY] The Classic Setup: Game 1

Let me get one thing out of the way here. As a respectable member of the judiciary (yeah right pfff) I stand by the belief that every accused has the right to defend themselves. This includes Midny, Cstar and yes, even Mixt. For this reason, I propose that we vote to extend the deadline by another day. Win or lose, I for one don't want this game to end prematurely because of something this stupid detail. I mean, where's the fun in that? I just hope the Mods will be so kind as to sanction this motion.[DOUBLEPOST=1468022474][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh, right: ##Vote: Extend Deadline

 

DAY 3 VOTE COUNT 5:​

Mixt (4) - cstar, Marushi, Cat~, Calxiyn
Ghost (1) - Mish
Cat~ (1) - Mixt

Not voting (3) - Midnight Star, Judge Sunrose, Ghost​

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to hammer.

Day 3 ends at 11 PM EST/EDT on July 9. There are approximately 1 days, 2 hours and 30 minutes until phase end.

 

@Cat~ Uhm, could you unvote Mixt real quick? He's dangerously close to a hammer.

 

Done. But wow, a lot of things are being thrown around...


##Unvote: Mixt

 

##unvote Mixt

##Vote Extend dayphase

This is very frustrating. More people need to be talking. I can understand people being busy but seriously.

My dinner just came. Be back later.

 

Why are we voting for a deadline extension when we still have over 24 hours left? That's the only thing I'm confused on. I'm okay with extending the day if there's a really good reason for it but I'm more confused than anything on that.

 

I get that more people need to be talking, but the threat of a loss (for either side at this point since Mixt has already been found out) is something that I feel is kind of a deterrent to a lot of people.

Regardless, I do agree that we need discussion to open up. I feel that, potentially, we should get Ghost and let Mixt get modkilled should he not make the post count needed. I know that Ghost is one of the more quiet people in this game, and that it's also part of her personality in Discord and such, but she seems to be at the top of many lists and I think we can all say that she's being a little too quiet for comfort.

If it turns out she's not mafia, we can keep discussion going about remaining suspects.

 

I was mainly doing it to give more people the chance to post, since apparently a few people are too busy this week, but...

You know, maybe the inactives just need to learn their lesson. Cstar is right, we have more than 24 hours left, and Cstar and Midnight both have said earlier that they intend to post more later in the day.

Right now, the only person in REAL danger of being modkilled is Mixt.[DOUBLEPOST=1468026814][/DOUBLEPOST]

I agree on this front.[DOUBLEPOST=1468033427][/DOUBLEPOST]Okay, now that I'm sitting down and am not trying to keep up with things as I go, I can look at things with a little more of a level head. Having actually looked at everything, I think my plan still holds up for now. It's just a matter of finding the right candidate, though I do think it's interesting to note who reacted and how they reacted to my Ghost push.

But before I get started on that, I do feel like this post warrants addressing:

The silence of Mixt is exactly why I'm looking at modkills as an effective strategy. As soon as Mixt was outed, he fell silent. This could very likely be because he's afraid of giving something away accidentally, and he thinks that he can better protect his teammates by remaining silent. Because of this, we'll get more information by pressing other people and continuing the discussions. And, if he continues this long silence, we might even manage to get in two Mafia kills in one day- which would be absolutely amazing, I think. That's why I'm looking at Modkilling him as a good strategy. If we play our cards right, this could be a win for the town.

But this could also be a terrible thing for the Mafia, and I think that they'd be pretty frustrated with Mixt if we pull it off.

Now then. My push for Ghost was started as a way to try and make Mish choke. At the time, Mish and I were the only players online, and I was hoping to see how far I could push her and if I could get her to panic by pitting her against the other person I believe to be on her team. Ghost had promised to return sometime this evening, and so I was hoping to get lucky enough to catch them both together and pit them against each other, to see if one of them would crack under the pressure of the other voting for them. Mish voting for Ghost was a better response than I had expected. By starting up the vote for Ghost, Mish could have been trying to prove that she was willing to go there, and get me to think that maybe they're not teammates after all. A simple "Yes, I would vote if I needed to" would have sufficed and would have fit with a town theory. But by actually voting right there, I thought it might be possible that I was onto something and Mish was trying to prove she wasn't scared of me, as well as give me an answer that would make me doubt myself, and I, seeing an opportunity, took it to see where it led.

But then Cal showed up with her numbers, and I'm really bad at mathing things so I had to stare at that for awhile and just hope I was getting it right, and I actually missed her vote thanks to the automerge, so I didn't know Mixt had been voted up. I tried to respond in a way that would let Cal know I was at least being careful without blowing my plan to Mish, and Cal did calm down a bit, but mainly then seemed to want to just get the Mixt lynch over and done with, and reiterated that she thinks Ghost is just learning to play while Cstar is more suspicious and trying to lie low.

Meanwhile, we then learned that Midnight, Judge, and Cstar hadn't posted their five posts yet- and now I'm really glad that Mixt wasn't lynched. Some people might think that with four Players below post requirement, we might be shown some leniency... But there have been struggles trying to get people to post the required amount since ToS, and I think that this would have been the perfect time to make an example that this game is a commitment and if you're not willing or able to put in the time required to make a good game, you shouldn't sign up. Now I'm not saying everyone has to be a loser like me and stalk the thread, and I really do understand people being busy (I feel like Mid is one of the players who would fit this bill and will be here in the morning like she promised) but if we had lost four players due to silence, I would have completely understood and I wouldn't have blamed the Mods at all.

However, I'm glad it didn't happen. As it was, Cal's responding to my Ghost plan instead of Mish worked out well after all, because then we all had a bit of a panic moment, and those are when people choke the most. And I think that amidst the panic of realizing Mixt wasn't the only one up for a modkill (if two townies were modkilled along with Mixt we'd be screwed, especially if we lost Judge and we were wrong about our read) somebody threw a 'DEADLINE IS FASTER THAN YOU THINK' hint and caused people to believe that the deadline was tonight instead of tomorrow night, perhaps in order to get us to freak and to lynch Mixt now. And boy, were they close. Thank you Judge, for noticing that and putting a stop to it.

I'm adding this to the list of suspicions against Mish, as well as the suspicions against Calxiyn. Mish because she was the one to spearhead the belief in a shorter deadline, and Cal for bringing Mixt up to five votes and risking a hammer. It's true that they might have been panicking town, but I think it's very suspicious and can easily be seen as panicking Mafia as well. Calxiyn is back on my radar and I'm even more convinced about Mish.

Plus I'd like to note that while I do think Ghost might be the Third Man, a good deal of my read on that is subject to Mish, so I'd rather lynch Mish first of the two of them. But that's just my note.

Meanwhile, another thing Cstar points out is Calxiyn's role with the whole Cop fiasco on Day 2. It's true that Cal's alignment is unconfirmed. And, once again, Cstar reminds us that we do in fact have 24 hours before the deadline.

I'm going to go on a limb. And heaven knows I've been wrong about so much stuff already that so help me, if I am wrong again, I'll... I'll... Well, I don't know what I'll do but I'll probably feel really really really stupid. I think that Cstar is town. I know that a lot of people still find her suspicious but I'm sorry, I just can't see why. In my opinion, Cstar is showing level-headedness, analytical thinking, and a knack for catching tells and details that other people easily might miss. So far, every point that other people make against Cstar I can usually find a pretty solid reason why I disagree, and I really don't think Cstar is Mafia.

Can I just be right about that? Just one little thing? Please?

Anyway, I'll mark my Ghost-Pushing plan as an A-Team success: It never works the way it's supposed to, but it works. I think that Calxiyn and Mish are very suspicious now, for the reasons addressed, and I also think that it's suspicious that Mish sort of dropped off the map for a bit after her fifth post as well, waiting to pop back in until the subject had adequately changed to counting up peeps who would get modkilled, and I would love to see what the two of them post in response.

If they even see this. The lack of discussion makes me automerge a good fraction of my theories, and I get the feeling that some of them go unread...

Anyway, ##Unvote: Extend dayphase

We still have 24 hours to go, almost exactly. I believe that my plan to lynch someone else is still valid and acceptable. We only need to come to a decision on who we lynch.

Discuss?

 

Wow Marushi, that's some good thinking on your part. Kudos for that.

I'm sorry if I'm not being too analytical at the moment, I just don't have an awful lot to add at the moment, on top of the fact that we pretty much have a plan for today anyway.

 

That kind of confused me a little but I think i get it, maybe. Anyway, I think I might end up voting for either Midnight or Cal seeing at those are the two I suspect the most. One of them might be mafia and the other isn't, I wasn't sure how to decide one over the other. After reading Marushi's post I think I might be leaning more towards Cal at the moment.

 

I'm terribly sorry. I've been away from my computer, and thus not had good opportunity to post. I was trying to spend time getting together a post when it seemed like everyone decided to accept Judge as cop and me as Mafia as fact. Given that situation I didn't feel the need to stress getting posting time on my phone, because the punishment was supposed to be a swap and I would be surely killed before then. But I'm back now with a clear schedule, so at the very least you can remove modkilling from today's strategies. Now I would like to recount the start of today from my perspective.

Before Judge, I was being accused by multiple people because they thought we reached a consensus on lynching @Cat~ and believed I was protecting her, or disrupting information gathering, or something by switching that near the end; and therefor I was probably Mafia. But that was just weird to me. 1) Before I put down the vote that people were asking me to make Cat was only leading by one vote (Well two because my post went up after Marushi, but whatever. For the people who left thinking Cat was sure to be lynched it was still one vote). And 2) when the Day closed Tale was one vote away from a hard lynch, so just under half of us agreed on Tale. But somehow there was a movement going against me.


Then Judge posted and just confused me, because there is no doubt that Judge is a dead man walking. If he's telling the truth the Mafia gets him tonight, if he's lying then the Town gets him tomorrow.

Let's play hypothetical with everything he said being right; I'm Mafia he's cop. People were already on my case. Sure it's hard to tell from the short duration before he stepped in if that would have fizzled out or lead me to the chopping block, but why risk it? Judge could have lain low at least until my case settled in a direction. If it's not necessary to call me out then great, he lives to get more reads unless the Mafia gets a lucky guess. If it is necessary to call me out then we end up here, just a bit farther into the day.

Then there is the option that Judge is Mafia and I'm Town. Mafia has gotten a perfect run so far and could potentially win at the end of night 4. By making a ruse as the cop during day 3 Mafia would be sacrificing one of their own and pushing things back to at best day 5 with no notable gain.

Then I guess we could both be Mafia, but that plan makes no sense. People would be convinced of Judge being cop from the correct read until morning comes and he's still alive. You could play off the Mafia just being weird or something, but I highly doubt that would come to much. That is just way too freaking risky a move when, as said above, Mafia might not need to do anything.

And for completion sake; Judge could be Vanilla Town that is super convinced I'm Mafia and is willing to sacrifice themselves to make sure I'm lynched. Or could be creating a smokescreen for the real cop. But those are very high profile moves of questionable effectiveness for someone that has been quiet and level headed so far.

tl;dr it makes no sense from any angle.


Now I’ve got some reading to catch up on.[DOUBLEPOST=1468047336][/DOUBLEPOST]BTW, if I'm being a complete noob and there is another option I'm not accounting for, please let me know. I'm just really confused right now.

 

See @Marushi I was unaware that Mixt was close to being Modkilled so when I saw you guys going for ghost I was like "What the actual **** are they DOING" but now I understand lol. I agree that it's effective to try and use the Modkills to give us more time, however with Cstar and Midnight it chances a lot of things and it'll effect our chances of winning greatly depending on what sides they are on. This is already a hard squeeze for the Mafia though, but that didn't mean it's impossible. Here's some more maths;

We lynch, say Ghost, then Mixt dies, and so do Cstar and Midnight, and then Judge dies. That leaves 4 of us, it could be a 2 v 2, 3 v 1, or all four. are town.

However it can't be a 2 V 2 if Cat, Me and Marushi are all town, as implied. So that means it can be a 3 v 1.

Now I know some people are weary of my alignment but I'll get back to that later. Statiscally speaking Ghost, Midnight or Cstar has to be Mafia, which could leave Mish as the last Mafia, but this is only if all 4 of those people die. I'll change my odds for us later so we can see clearly, but it's good to remember that either two of them (Ghost, Cstar or Midnight) is Mafia, or one of them is and Mish is our last one.

I'm just as bad with numbers Maru, I needed to find a calculator from my suitcase xD

Yes I calmed down a bit because I realized what you were doing, I had a big panic moment when I saw people voting for Ghost, as I said. But yes, I haven't panicked much in this game but as SOON as I saw Ghost going up I thought Mafia were trying to do a quick switch. I should have read more thoroughly so that's completely my bad. I can see why this is suspicious, but as you could see with my pervious numbers we couldn't afford a mistake to win.

Now on my alignment, if you and Cat can trust me enough on this and look at our numbers, we either need to get Ghost or Mish, because of we don't lynch one the other will be alive anyway since they won't be Modkilled.

I think that Ghost should be lynched today since she's pushing for me. Again, if you and Cat, Maru, believe that I am town, then at least two of the three I mentioned have to be Mafia.

I think that Ghost may be mentioning Midnight to throw off suspicion on her, however I think that if you believe Cstar is in fact town, our Mafia scum team would be Ghost, Mixt and Midnight.

I trust in Maru's detective abilities even though I'm personally still on Midnight, but similar to Marushi maybe I just want to be right about something. But I need to give you guys a better reason to trust in me by the end of the day, and I certainly can try. But I'm afraid that without all of us working together on this, town is gonna lose. If we're all town we NEED
to live and not screw up today and tomorrow.

Now for Mixt: the issue is that if Judge is Mafia, someone else would come out and give all their reads. It's risky for him to be doing this, not impossible but I trust him. If judge is making a smokescreen for the real cop, well let's go back to my odds for today, at least for now again.

There are either going to be two Mafia killed by Modkilled, or one. The other one will be alive that day and be Mish. That means either Midnight, Ghost or Cstar is cop. The only person we haven't heard from is Midnight, and I think if she were cop she could have investigated me after day 2 and mentioned something about that.

If Cat, Maruishi, and I aren't the cop, it has to be someone who is Modkilled, or Mish. But no one has come forward to call Judge out, and if the cop was really here and really wanted town to win they would.

Also I don't think judge revealed himself to get you done in Mixt, it was so he could tell everyone Cat was innocent. Obviously now, looking at our chances having a town confirmed without a doubt is a blessing.

I think that's all I have for now.

 

Well, well! We meet again, missing Mixt.

True. Even still, role-confirmation can go a long way, and I know two reads (three if you consider mine) aren't exactly the best result, but hey, it puts us in a better position than town having zero reads and a high chance of a third consecutive mislynch.

Except not many people were actually considering you for the lynch right off the bat. This was not a waste of time, my friend. We wouldn't have ended up here, because now many of us are working with a lot more info than at phase-Dawn. Furthermore, seeing as we both like math so much, might I also point out that the odds of my reveal flopping on the next day are way too big for me to let it happen. Bottom-line is, I was well aware of these implications, and I decided to take action.

Your other scenarios are sound and all, but you forget one simple fact. I am what I claim to be, and I can prove it. Remember back in Day 1, when my past self burnitup said he was "more than sure" Blaine/Cat wasn't Mafia? Heh, you know where this is going, right? That was a terrible move at the time, a huge slip up tell. I was even surprised the mafia didn't pick it up. Actually, thinking about it, they could've picked it up and just chosen to take advantage of it by playing it up as scum buddying. Problem is, trying to nab the cop is almost always better than leaving it to chance and risking a possible butt-saving reveal. So either way, kudos Mafia.

 

I do have one thing to point out. I'll use myself as an example to explain my thinking:

I am town. Then, let's say that Judge comes forward and claims to be cop, and then names me as Mafia. But, I am town. I would then know that Judge is Mafia for lying about having investigated me and putting me forward as the lynch. Even if I couldn't convince everyone else, I would most certainly try to, because I would know that he was Mafia, and would do my best to either find proof of it, or leave behind my reads of who is Mafia with him.

I would not scrap my previous case-building against him and disappear because it's a done deal so I didn't need to stress getting posting time anymore.

This, to me, proves your alignment and Judge's honesty, even if the flip wouldn't have.

To note: This is your post #2 of #5. Three more to avoid being modkilled.

Now then, everyone else, let's keep discussing who we'll lynch today if Mixt doesn't post more, or at least, who we believe to be on his team for tomorrow if we do end up lynching him.

I would like to point out that Cstar and Judge Sunrose are no longer in danger of being modkilled. At this point, it is only Midnight and Mixt who are in danger, and as I have stated before, I believe that Midnight will be on soon herself, hopefully with some opinions or theories about what went down last night. Which is more reason for us to wait.

Now then, Cal, onto your post. I can completely understand why you would pick Midnight over Mish for your scumreads. But what I'm having a little more trouble with is why you picked Ghost over Mish. The reason this is important is because at least for my part, the evidence against Ghost is circumstantial, and relies heavily on Mish being Mafia. So if I were to put you on the potential scumteam, it would be Mixt>Mish>Calxiyn instead of Mixt>Ghost>Calxiyn.

So what exactly makes you suspect Ghost over Mish?

I'll pose the same question to you in reverse. Why do you suspect Midnight and Calxiyn over Mish? What about Mish makes you think she's town?

In essence, I believe that one of you is Mafia trying to protect Mish, and one of you is just a Townie who truly feels they have better reads. Time to see who's who.

Also, @Makaze , I have a mechanics question, one that we actually have a lot riding on. It occurs to me that in games past, sometimes the post-requirement penalty was lifted if the day was ended prematurely on a hard lynch, as it was potentially not fair for people who were busy to be penalized for not posting enough when they still believed they had a day or two left before the deadline. My question is, in this case, if we were to hard-lynch someone else before the deadline is up, would Mixt still be modkilled? And if so, what is our approximate time-threshold relative to the deadline in which to do this?

Now then, I'm actually going to go through the day and make my own post count. Call me distrusting, but as my top Mafia read was the one who compiled the original count, I just want to be doubly sure that Mixt didn't have like, one extra post we don't know about so that he might still be saved if we lynch someone else believing him to be at four.[DOUBLEPOST=1468072260][/DOUBLEPOST]Reconfigured and updated post count for Day 3:

Cat~ - 12
Marushi - 30
Calxiyn - 11
Mixt - 2
Midnight Star - 3
Mish - 8
Cstar - 5
Ghost - 6
Judge Sunrose - 7

So yeah, at this point, the only two in danger of modkillings are Mixt and Midnight. And I want to point out that there was not any sort of miscount on Mixt's posts, and that was a long shot anyway, I just prefer to leave no stone unturned. :p

 

Alright, I'm caught up but really I can’t respond to most of what I missed. With the consensus right now being that I'm Mafia, anything I post about the other theories going on will be read in this weird "Is that slipped information or an attempt to mislead us?" kind of tone. And that basically just becomes white noise.

Also I forgot to ##Unvote: Cat~. Obviously that is just a move that doesn’t make sense any more.
At this point I want to say that my vote and Judge’s would cancel and we should therefore not vote and leave a bit more space for everyone else to work with. But I know that especially with the end of the previous day people will be expecting that I’m really saving my vote for a last minute wrench. So I’ll ##Vote: Judge Sunrose just as a way to say there’s nothing up my sleeve.

If I was the cop (and not being accused) and saw someone pretending to be cop today, I think I would just let it happen. They are killing off their own and I get a read for doing nothing but playing along.

As for your modkill stuff, I don’t actually follow all of what you’re saying. By Marushi’s above count, Midnight and myself are the only two still up for modkill with both of us having 3 posts (this one included). And I’m not sure how you can be positive that at least one of us is Mafia.

The only concern of getting zero reads is if you were lynched or killed before revealing. If it’s a lynch you’ll know ahead of time and can leave a farewell note that gets verified upon you’re death. For the kill, it’s a 1 and 6 chance right now. Everyone has their own risk/reward thresholds but I certainly don’t agree with yours.

I’ll grant you that I could see the cop having issues tomorrow because that is where the Mafia will be pulling all the stops to seal the deal if today goes well. Fair enough.

And for you’re great proof, well it doesn’t hold well. First, Cat’s role is fully known yet. After all this I would be surprised for Cat to turn up Mafia, but it could happen. Second, hyperbole is just a thing that people use and burnitup doesn’t strike me as one to avoid it. Third, a well planned Mafia member could plant that just as easily as a Cop could plant it or have a slip of the tounge. By logic of strong wording accurately pinning a member before their reveal Cal fits the bill better. Stronger wording and al is known entity now.


And @Marushi, I was admittedly being lazy and prioritizing the stuff going on IRL, for that I appologize to everyone. Hell, if I’d have known how much I would be away from the computer this past week I might not have signed up for this. In hindsight forcing myself to get even a small post out as I realised what was happening would have removed the MIA speculation from the snowballing, but I don’t think that would have changed where we stand that much. Unless I can come up with something seriously good on Judge any attacks just get labeled as the panicked finger pointing of a man backed into a corner. And that dirt just isn’t there, I have looked. Check for yourself in my shoes. Pretend you know that he’s Mafia and you need to find something that shows he’s Mafia over Cop.

 

So let me get this straight. You're telling me I'm more likely to be Mafia than you are, is that it? Sure, I'll entertain this notion for a second. Assuming what you're saying to be true, that you're not Mafia, who would you put in your top scum team right now?

 

I'm here, I'm here, please don't mod-kill me. I have a lot of thread to make sense of though so I'll post again once I've reread everything and figured out my thoughts.

 

First off, I want to note that I find it suspicious that you think Judge shouldn't vote. I have a hard time making sense of that from a Townie perspective, if you are indeed a Townie.

Second off, you're challenge won't stump me as I have already given this a lot of thought, and I'm sorry, but you're going to die either way, innocent or not. (Not that I think you're innocent.)

I will now look at Judge's actions as if he were Mafia, for the sake of your challenge.

There is a possibility that Judge is Mafia and saw that he was starting to be suspected. There is also the possibility that he figured out from my posts that I thought he might be the cop. There is a possibility that he used my potential belief in him, Cat's innocence, and your suspected guilt as a springboard from which he claimed Cop, got me and Cat (two alleged Townies) to believe and endorse him, and stick you in as today's lynchee. This is possible.

If he did, other notes of suspect are the fact that he wanted to extend the day-phase (perhaps to protect an inactive scummate like Midnight or at the time, I believe, Cstar, perhaps) and that he, for the cop, has been uncharacteristically reluctant to give opinions. I mean yeah, anybody could be wrong, and we shouldn't accept everything he says as truth in the first place just because he's confirmed, but really, his posts have been surprisingly ambiguous. He also didn't name his third read, only pointed at the list of dead names and said the read was in there. I mean, it's pretty obvious who it was he investigated, so while his vague answer is not, in any way shape or form a tell, it still has a ring of oddness about it.

So there, Judge could be a Mafia. However, there are several reasons why I don't believe he is, and I've already stated them elsewhere in the thread, so I won't go into that again; you didn't ask for theories, you asked for hard dirt.

That, unfortunately for you, is where you come in.

Since you are here and you are active, you at least spare your alleged teammates the risk of losing two members in one day. You're going to be tonight's lynchee.

See, if Judge is lying, then tonight we lose two Townies - You and the night kill. Correct my math if I'm wrong, but if that happens, tomorrow there will be four Town and three Mafioso. These are bad odds- HOWEVER. The townies will all know that Judge is Mafia, since you being Townie proves that he lied and is guilty. The rest of us Townies will be smart enough to hold off on lynching Judge and do what we did today- try to figure out who his teammates are before the deadline, and lynch him at the end of it. We will have one Mafioso down, two to go. The next day, after the nightkill, there will be two Mafia and three townies- again, really bad odds, but if we made the best use of our time the day before and continue to do so during the last day, we should be able to scrape a win. That is what will happen if Judge is Mafia.

The 'dirt,' as you put it, lies with you. Mixt, if you die and are Mafia, we will know that Judge is Town and Cat is town, and we have an entire day's worth of discussion to look back on in order to figure out who your teammates are. If you die and are Town, we will know Judge is lying, and my above scenario will play out.

That is how we will definitively prove whether or not Judge is telling the truth.

^ This.

Mixt, it's true that right now, whatever you say will be 'read in this weird "Is that slipped information or an attempt to mislead us?" kind of tone,' and at the moment, will probably feel more like white noise. But if you're Townie like you claim, then after you're dead, your 'white noise' will become worth something.

So go ahead, tell us your scumteam reads on who's working with Mafia Judge.

 

If the hammer cuts off 4 or more hours of the day, then the modkill will be delayed, but the player will be on probation in the next phase. Anything else and it goes through.

 

Actually to the contrary. To an outside observer I totally see I'm the stronger Mafia pick. But obviously from my perspective- what, am I going to vote for myself? Is that even allowed? What would I possibly have to gain? It just comes down to my word against yours. I don't have a case to build against you, and so far you don't seem to have one against me other than cop powers. So until you somehow manage to prove you have them or come up with a different case I'm just inclined to twiddle my thumbs here.

It doesn't make sense for me to talk about specific people other than you right now though. I'm not the cop, so I don't know anyone's roles to give insight where other people don't see it. And a statement like that would likely trigger all future analysis posts today to have convoluted readings of those statements that you can take to mean whatever you want. Are the names to point you in the wrong direction, or are they accurate so that you think those names are clear (and vice versa for Town reads). And then come tomorrow those statements would become borderline garbage. The best I can say for scumteam is a profile. It makes sense to have one quiet member that tries to blend into the back and tries to last til the end, and one vocal member to try and lead the Town's focus. You are the only name I can drop because despite some very oddball cases I think it is clear that one of us Mafia. Until today I would say you fit the bill for the quiet one. Not full on because of the movement to remove quiet people, but enough to slide under the radar. But the quiet one is supposed to be the survivor and you just kamikazed into me. So that means that you fit neither of the roles I just stated, so those would then still be out there. Past that I've got no effing idea who those two would be and it would only hurt discussion to force a hunch and name drop.[DOUBLEPOST=1468077129][/DOUBLEPOST]And I still haven't learned to refresh before posting. Follow up to Marushi shortly.