Mafia [MAFIA] [GAME OVER, TOWN VICTORY] The Classic Setup: Game 1

I wanna ruin our No Lynch~ There should be votals instea-a-ad~

• Cat~ - 3 (Mish, Ghost, cstar)
• Marushi - 1 (Calxiyn)
• . : tale : . - 2 (Judge Sunrose, al215)
• Ghost - 2 (Mixt, Marushi)

Day 2 ends at 11 PM EST/EDT on July 5.

 

I'd be willing to vote for Cat instead of Marushi in order for us to reach hard lynch later, since Cat was always my top Mafia. I agree with Tale about Marushi, and I don't think Marushi would be willing to throw Cat under the best unless she thought Cat had been condemned anyway. However that's sort of for us to look back and see if we looked pretty convince we were going to lunch Cat today, So to make herself look like town she may as well. This same thing can also be applied to tale, for those that think he is Mafia as well. It's for us to decide how... Decided, Cats fate was already, and if not, how likely it could be for Marushi and Tale, if they are Mafia, to take that risk.

I want to vote before I get on the plane, however, I want our other two votes to be Marushi and Tale, ideally. I say this because even though it wouldn't prove their innocence, if they are Mafia lynching their teammate may hurt considerably, enough so that it may change their attitude.

That said, since I am about die at night, probably lol, I want to give my last reads just in case you need go back to them.
Marushi - explained in the post about Heart's last few posts before she was swapped out. Marushi is always very hard core pro town, even in past games where she was Mafia.
Midnight- Because of the case I made about her tone in another post, which doesn't have a lot on it, however I think that if she does anything else suspect it would be important to note.
Tale- I'm split on him to be perfectly honest but he has crossed my mind a few times while making post.
Mixt and Mish- Are flying low enough under the radar we haven't looked at them in great detail yet but far enough above it that we haven't lynched them for being quiet. I'm not necessarily suspicious but it's good to keep in mind.

If Cat turns out to be Mafia, we need to consider her likely accomplices. However if she doesn't, we'll likely need to reexamine some people. Because of Cat isn't one of our three, and some of you have her in your Mafia read trio, you're going to pick a third obviously lol.

 

Okay, I'm currently really regretting saying that I'd give top threes on both town and mafia because I'm looking through the thread and really struggling to do so. I did only say "might" though. Instead of top threes to make it easier for myself I might just go through people and say my current thoughts. Also I don't really have the best track record of getting it right so this might be completely wrong.

I mentioned before about Cat that I'm a bit suspicious because of the pushing for 'no lynch' and the cop speculation. However even then I'm not certain because I can understand the no lynch thing as it is risky to lynch someone on D1 (and I think she's pushed for that in previous games when she was town) and the cop speculation might have been an innocent mistake as it could be one way explain Cal's strange actions. I am not going to vote for Cat just yet as she already has votes and I don't want to bring it nearer to a hard lynch, as well as like I said I'm not completely convinced she is mafia.

Al215, I'm not suspicious of at all because I have agreed with a lot of his posts as they make sense, he's fairly active and helpful. It is worth noting that on the first day, he did accuse several people and change his vote a bit but he did justify all this with good reasons.

Marushi is a strange one for me. I've actually been a bit suspicious of Marushi for a bit but that was just because of a feeling. I have nothing to back that up with and the more I look at her posts, the more pro-town she seems. I don't trust her entirely because of this feeling but I am not going to push for a lynch on something as insubstantial as that. Still I don't think it's a bad thing to have some people to doubt the really pro-town players as after all it is still possible they could be mafia. It is early days yet and far too soon to confirm someone as a townie without them dying.

I really want tale to post more. I didn't find the unvote thing that he did suspicious at all, however I'm having a hard time judging him. He's only posted a total of 4 times in Day 2 and we are a good proportion of the way through the day. Hearing his suspicions were good but I'd like to hear more before making up my mind.

Cal's actions I've found a bit strange and suspicious, especially her post defending Al. It seems really unusual for anyone to be that sure of anyone's alignment and it wasn't even like Al was under fire at the time. There have been a few other things in her posts that have made me look twice as well (I'd need to go through her posts and find them). HOWEVER I maintain that we shouldn't lynch her today as I think that she will be killed by the mafia tonight IF she is town. If she is not killed then I think we should put her under more scrutiny but today (D2) we should not lynch her.

That leaves Judge, cstar, Mixt and Ghost. I might go away a bit and talk about them later.

Ghost, tale and cstar, thank you for responding to my question, that was helpful.

 

Alright everybody, last day! Look alive, people!

I'm writing posts and responses atm, but wanted to suggest a plan:

@Calxiyn , Why don't you just tell us whether you're the cop or not? At this point, if you are, there's no point in hiding it. You even are almost certain you're going to die tonight. If you are the cop, what's the point in denying it? You should tell us who your two confirmed reads are now while you have the chance, right? While if you admit you're not, it just might save your life from the Mafia- Although I'm not so sure about everyone else. After all, the chance that you might be the cop is the big reason why we're keeping you alive today.

NOTE: I'm pretty sure this goes without saying, but if someone else is the cop, do not respond to this. I am not using this to try and get hints as to the true cop's identity, I'm focused only on Cal and her current alignment.

And yes, I've thoroughly thought this through.

And yes, I might be crazy.

 

No. I don't like this plan. I think this is bad. If she does die and turn out to be cop then we should be able to figure it out from her posts. There is a chance that mafia won't kill her (at least there was before you said this). I don't think she should reveal if she is or not. I say we pretty much stop speculating anything about Cal for today and IF she is still alie tomorrow then we can scrutinise her some more. We want to leave the identity of the cop as ambiguous as possible so it could be anybody. I am against this plan.

 

You are entitled to your opinion and if you are against this plan, you have every right to be. I know it is a risky plan, and you being against it is not a strike against you, and it does not make me think you might be Mafia.

On that note, Calxiyn, you do have the option to refuse comment, it's all up to you and what you think to stand to gain or lose by my proposal. Listen to Midnight and anyone else who comments on my plan; this is serious, and think it through before you decide to claim, deny, or refuse comment on your role as the Cop.

Midnight, whatever you may say about speculating on the Cop could be sensible and extremely helpful, and like I said, isn't a strike against you. But why would you say that we should stop speculating about Cal? The chance that she is the cop is very slim, and there's even evidence against it. She's also one of the top-two Mafia suspects right now. How is it beneficial to the town to cease discussion of Cal altogether? Please explain this reasoning.

 

To clarify: I am NOT asking the Cop to reveal himself. My question is directed ONLY to Cal, who has stated several times that she believes she'll die tonight anyway because of this speculation.

 

But that is a choice for the mafia to make, they may decide they don't think it is her and to go against our expectations and kill someone else. They know she'll be under scrutiny tomorrow if she doesn't die. Her death is not set in stone. Revealing now would be bad. Especially if we would be able to work out her reads if we go back and look at her posts with the knowledge of her role after she dies.

 

No, no, no, you misunderstand what I was saying there. And I wasn't saying that bit was bad. Ughh bad wording.

I meant that she especially shouldn't reveal herself if when she died, we would be able to tell them anyway. Her revealing would only mean she could say them explicitly but if we'd be able to identify them if she happened to die even without her saying them explicitly, she definitely should not reveal. (Assuming of course she is cop, which tbh I'm not sure she is)

 

Actually, she would have two reads, due to the Random Check the cop would get at the start of the game.

And Midnight, I'm still waiting on a reason why it's bad to speculate about Cal.

 

I agree with tale, that we should drop the topic altogether.

It's not bad to speculate about Cal as such but it is if you're bringing talk of the cop into it. Right now, we decided we weren't going to lynch her as we expect her to die so I think our time is better spent focusing on people other than her. If she is still alive tomorrow, I say we examine and put the pressure on her a lot more but today, if we're not going to lynch her and she'll probably die, going after her isn't the best use of our time.

 

Taken into consideration. I've put my plan out there and I'm willing to accept whatever outcome I get from it.

In the meantime, I would expect people to now have some MAJOR questions for me, right? XD Ask away, I have nothing to hide. XD

 

Day 2 Votecount #???:​

Cat~ (3) - Mish, Ghost, cstar
tale (2) - Judge Sunrose, al215
Ghost (2) - Mixt, Marushi
Marushi (1) - Calxiyn

Not voting (3) - Midnight Star, Cat~, tale​

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to hammer.

Day 2 ends at 11 PM EST/EDT on July 5. There are approximately 11 hours and 30 minutes until phase end.

 

Honestly... I'm kind of in agreement with Marushi..

I've been thinking about it and have come up with some scenarios -

1. Cal is the cop. She has two players who are confirmed town to her. This information would be very useful to us. We have 11 current players.. If Cal confirms to us that she is the cop, we narrow the pool of potential mafia to 10. She confirms the 2 town players, we have 8 players left. We will lynch someone who isn't Cal or those other two players and then there is 7. It will be a lot easier to find the mafia when our choices are narrowed down. Downside to this is that Cal will almost definitely be mafia killed and we lose the cop.
2. Cal is the cop. She refuses to reveal herself. She is mafia-killed. We have to scour her posts for clues as to who the confirmed town were (well, at least one of them I guess would be Al).
3. Cal is NOT the cop. She is mafia. She doesn't get mafia-killed for obvious reasons. We lynch her the next day.

It is simply far too risky for the mafia NOT to kill Cal tonight. If she is the cop, she will have three confirmations by the next game day. One of them could be mafia. I'm sure that they wouldn't risk that happening. So, by that logic, if Cal does not get mafia-killed, I believe 100% that she is mafia.

If she's not mafia and the real mafia are reading this and thinking "let's not kill her because Mish will lynch her for us!" I will say that I would invite Cal to reveal her three cop reads. Assuming she is the cop, this would help town tremendously. If she is mafia masquerading as the cop, I think the only way to solve that is for the real cop to come forward and sacrifice themselves. By that point, they will have the three reads (plus a confirmed Cal as mafia) which tbh could be all we need to turn this game around to a town victory so it would be worth sacrificing the cop at that point.

Of course, a lot of this is thinking pretty far ahead to scenarios that probably won't happen because I'm justifiably assuming that Cal will be mafia-killed tonight. For that reason, I think the ideal move would be to just hear who the two town players are.

 

IMPORTANT:​

I will be gone from 3-5 (EST) today and hence unable to post votals, though I may still check the thread. Don't let this discourage you from voting, just try to keep track of hard lynch and stop talking if someone reaches it.