Mafia [MAFIA] [GAME OVER, TOWN VICTORY] The Classic Setup: Game 1

I'M A SLACKER (Never did I have a lotta votes)

• Midnight Star - 1 (Calxiyn)
• Cat~ - 1 (Mish)

Day 2 ends at 11 PM EST/EDT on July 4 with potential for an extension.

 

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O-oh, another with a taste for the theatrical, I see.


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That is an excellent testimony, I will give you that. And yet it begs the question: Why would you only say so now and not alongside your unvote? It's very easy to hide yourself in silence and sheepishly follow suit, when you can give a detailed ex post facto justification like you just did!

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Furthermore, I have a hard time believing that your sharp reasoning is merely an in-character trait. Up until my initial inquiry, you had said very little that was remotely on par with what you have just stated. In essence, I think your behavior is contradictory! What do you have to say for yourself, Mr Windiana Jones?

 

Ok as amusing as this is let's not make it a Thing

 

This is nice being theatrical with everything and having fun with the phoenix wright stuff but I feel this is beginning to isolate some of the others from posting and making it easier for people to not pay attention to the conversations beforehand, like with people talking about Mish, Cal, Al, and Midnight. Now we're on Tale, and I feel like we need to focus on the other's as well (i think everyone is busy today though from what I remember)

 

Yeah, I'll admit I went a little overboard there. Sorry, won't happen again.

@cstar I disagree, to be honest. I think people should be free to pursue their own leads. All I did was engage one of the quieter members into a separate discussion. There could be multiple lines of discussion happening in parallel, and I see nothing wrong with that. Unless someone asks something to me personally, I wouldn't have anything to contribute regarding those cases, I think the others are handling it just fine.

 

Ooooohhhh boy. Yesterday was not a good day to be AFK. I won't respond to every post in complete perfect detail simply because of quantity, but I'll be going over the important bits from each that I can see.

Okay so, I don't think that at the moment it was entirely necessary to mount such a sterling defence of me, though I do appreciate the thought. I, as others have, disagree with the assertion that the mafia are new. Killing Krowley was actually a good move. If we consider that he has a relatively high skill level, then stopping him before he starts is actually a very, very good idea. It looks like Midnight, you and I are somewhat cast under a shadow due to our respective proactivity. For what it's worth, I don't disagree with your conjecture towards my behaviour but I think that it is little more than that - Conjecture. It's justifiable either way.

Hello Sam, nice to meet you :p

Humour aside, accusations are not in that of themselves, bad things. As I'll say again later with Judge Sunrose's poss, pursuing a variety of leads is always good. And you're absolutely right to distrust impressions other people have of others. While they can be valuable, you have to accept that those opinions and thoughts are formed based on what they see in someone and what they appear to be at the time. There is room for Cal to be Mafia still.

Ultimately, I have to wonder why Cal tried to cover me when she's aware that I can quite capably defend myself. She could have been defending me in my absence, or trying to cement her own position. Right now, it is unclear.

Agreed in the first instance. As you've already said, you're going to try to avoid that happening again. Day One is less important than other days and those four hours would not have made much more of a difference. Now however, time is essential and we need all of it. Do not hammer people!

Agreed in the case of KH530. I put that down to genuine error as well. If it turns out not to be, I applaud you.

1) Contested with earlier reasoning. Right now, it would be easier to take down Krowley while he wasn't able to fully substantiate his argument.
2) I'd say I agree with this line of reasoning.

True that. Expressing suspicion is useful, as a vote is more likely to lead to a train forming and it draws a lot more attention to you. On the other hand, voting is a sign that you want to draw attention to a person directly and lay the pressure on hard.

So, on Midnight. She's pretty tricky for me to read at the moment. I'm not quite sure what to make of her, other than I don't think that she's Mafia at the moment. And I think you have honest concerns.

I also think that you're missing Mish. You've discounted her far too quickly in favour of Midnight. I don't trust Mish in the slightest, and I believe that I said as such near the end of Day One and if I didn't I certainly intended to. Her initial post voting up KH530 doesn't seem consistent with what else she has contributed thus far. For someone who seems... Capable it's awfully weak.

it's you! Hai!

An interesting point to be sure. Let's see how this develops.

Agreed fully. We have a very limited time in which to discuss so we need to have multiple discussions to cover ground.

True.

Agreed.

Yes, I can see your reasoning there and I don't think that you're wrong. And Blaine's behaviour in the thread was probably down to his attitude.


Now that I've responded to what I think are the key points made so far, I now want to address the issue of Mish who has been a little inconsistent.

Compare this to the other posts available.

Where was this justification in the first post? Surely it would have been better to just do that.

Why would you encourage people to stop posting? If anything, maximum discussion is recommended. As far as I'm concerned it's only over when Mak/Nova calls it. In a game like this where you need the maximum amount of time to discuss, putting the discussion to a halt is a bad idea for Town. What if something comes up last minute that could change things? Stopping that hammer could have been invaluable.

And then you have something like this. This is actually a fairly reasonable post which takes someone to task and raises a good point. But really, I am just baffled by the inconsistency in behaviour that I've noted here in a couple of instances. I don't know if it's much to go on, but at this point I think that it's worth exploring because much to my disappointment we don't have too much more to go on. Nothing has been particularly confirmed nor denied here so far. On that basis; ##Vote: Mish.

 

I think it's in the rules to stop posting after a hard lynch.

 

I was unclear about it in the rules, and Makaze just quoted my old set, but in any case where you will be expected to stop posting (such as hard lynch) you should not wait for us to call it. Mish did the right thing there.

 

Okay, fair enough. In that case I retract that point but my overall opinion stands.

 

So that first post where I voted for KH530 was part of what people refer to as 'random voting stage'. I could have voted for anyone there, purely to spur them on to post. The justification post I made was more to explain my method so that people would understand I wasn't singling KH530 specifically, she just happened to be first on Makaze's list.

I'm struggling to see what is so inconsistent about my posting. Sure, my 3rd post in the thread (KH530 vote) was a lot more casual than the one where I voted for Cat, but that was before the game really got underway and before I could piece anything together to base my vote on, which was the case with Cat.

As you know now, the hammer doesn't rely on Mak/Nova to strike, so I won't comment on that.

As someone who has played the cop role in a previous game, I thought you would have been more savvy than this. Also, it's not unusual to vote earlier than the last day. I suggested to Judge previously in the thread that it's preferable to take a stance AND put your money where your mouth is and actually vote.

Well, you know now that I wasn't the 6th voter on the G-Dog train. Or did you already know that? Maybe you're purposely posting misinformation about me hoping to sneakily put me in a bad light?


One last thing...

I know that a few of us are busy this weekend, but I just wanted to say something about the content of some people's posts. A lot of them are vaguely agreeing or disagreeing, or making 'meta' comments about the game. I'm not complaining about that, but I just wanted to warn people that the mafia are likely to target people who do not take a stance. This is because when/if you die, it is harder for us to learn anything from your posts. Barring Krowley, who was obviously killed before he became too much of a threat, I think this will be the direction that the mafia take.. Soo, to name some names...

@. : tale : .
@Kingdom Hearts530
@Mixt
@Ghost

Everyone else I think has publicly started to form opinions on other players. You all should follow suit and make it more clear whom you suspect. I know that can be really hard when you're new to the game or if you just don't have any ideas.

Sorry to call you guys out, but I am worried FOR YOUR LIVES (this is assuming that you aren't mafia, which is another possibility for why you are not taking a strong stance or building any cases - I also know that some of you are busy this weekend so I will make an allowance for that). About that extension....

 

I don't think there much to go on. There Cal being a little too defensive but I understand where she's coming from.

I also have this odd suspicion of Tale but that's just a feeling, i don have anything to back it up with.

 

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@Marushi is subbing in for @Kingdom Hearts530 due to activity constraints. Good luck.

 

Hello, everybody!

Spoiler: Did you...

I've read through everything and I have a lot of ideas, but I don't have any plans yet, and I know that everyone's going to be busy over the Holidays, so I understand a certain level of silence... Emphasis on 'certain level.' XD Some of you are waaay too quiet. XD Anyway, where was I going with that sentence...? Ah yes! I'm gonna take a bit to come up with a battle plan, and get back to you guys either later tonight or tomorrow. Plus, I don't intend to wall-post like I did for the other games; this time I'm going to try for a more inquisitive position, as opposed to an expository one. (At least, that's the plan. XD) So! Here goes![DOUBLEPOST=1467601710][/DOUBLEPOST]Alrighty! Actually, I'll take back what I said about waiting until tomorrow. I know that it's a holiday, but if everyone could please at least try to periodically check in on the thread tomorrow and make an effort to post amidst your celebrating (That is for those of you celebrating tomorrow) because unless I'm mistaken, this day phase ends in 24 hours.

Also, I have been watching this thread and the forum all day today and all day yesterday. Today, all of you have been online (I think) and almost all of you have even viewed this thread, and have been active on the site, yet have made few or no posts. Specifically, @Midnight Star . I would really appreciate seeing you post on what's been discussed recently, namely the discussion between @Judge Sunrose and @. : tale : . . (Sorry to call you out on this, Midnight, but after the level of leadership you've shown and the quality of your posts before now, I expect more from you.) :p

That being said, I'd like to take @Calxiyn up on an offer:

Cal, could you please provide an analysis of Blaine and @Cat~ and your position on that role? Feel free to theorize and speculate; don your Mafia Goggles if you see fit, and let me know what you believe their alignment to be and why. And please try to do it before the day's deadline, I do feel to be at risk here and I'm only expecting this one day to try and help you all out as much as I can. XD In fact, if Everyone could please try and do this, I would love to see what you all have to think about Blaine and Cat. Especially, @al215 , you say that the issue of Cat is an interesting one, and you do mention that you believe Blaine's attitude is in keeping with his Normal Behavior. But you don't really delve much deeper than that, I believe, and it would be a great help if you would present a deeper bit of insight into this matter.

Now then. Onto a few of our more quiet members.

For the two of you, I have this much to say: Try and be willing to put yourself out there and take risks. :)

I know that it's nerve-wracking and I know that sometimes you may feel like everything worth saying has already been said, but even if your thoughts seem unhelpful and a bit meaningless, you'd be surprised how important an observation might be. @Mixt , you mention finding holes whenever you get an idea. This is actually good. Keep those notes, so that you can look at them again later and see how those early theories are holding up. You WILL be wrong sometimes, but other times, you'll find that those holes weren't nearly as big as you thought, and you'll have the basis for a case. And feel free to ask questions! You don't need to post your whole theory in order to find stuff out. Sometimes asking a pointed or leading question can get you much more information than posting some huge theory that in the end, might make you just look dumb. Believe me, I learned that the hard way. XD So you have a theory with holes? Start digging in deeper, you might strike gold.

And @Ghost, again, if you have a gut feeling about Tale but nothing to back it, start digging. Maybe take a look at Tale's earlier posts, try to pinpoint a phrase or a post that doesn't sit well with you. Now that you know you think he's suspicious, look at his old posts from that light. If you can find what it was that set off the warning bells, you can question him about it and get answers. Maybe he'll have a good explanation, and you'll decide you think he's town. Maybe he'll just dodge the issue, or the answer he gives is unsatisfactory. Call him out on that, and take notes of his responses, even if it's just a little post-it to yourself. (*ahem* I don't have a notebook filled with pages of suspicious things I've noticed. *ahem* That'd be obsessive and weird. *Ahem* yeah.) :p If you have a gut feeling about Tale, follow it and see where it leads, you may just be right and do your part to save the town. :)

Also, @Mish , you've been listed as a more quiet member. You've posted a bit more than others, from what I've seen, but you could also benefit from asking a few more questions, if anything, just to stop being listed as quiet. XD

So... How's that? XD Did I do a good job, everybody? Did I miss tagging anyone? @cstar , there's you... Have I forgotten anyone? Bear in mind, some people who are easily forgotten, as opposed to being 'overly active' or 'too quiet,' might just be Mafia hiding in the background. XD

 

I will say this real quick. I had no idea where Heart was aligned, but it is in the Mafia's best interest for the Town to play badly. So @Marushi spending the time to help some of us get better at the game goes a long way to making me think she's Town. The only reasons I gather for Mafia doing it is 1) To be seen as trustworthy to avoid suspicion. And 2) To guide the logic the town uses to exploit it. Except case 1) is a large gamble that could do more harm than good. And @Marushi was vying for different people to develop their own tactics, with only subtle points. I certainly don't see any of the encouraged points to be exploitable.

 

All I found about Tale is that he and Cat~ voted for Krowley when G-Dog was lynched then he was killed the following night. That's not a whole lot of info but i'll just keep him in the back of my head for now ans start looking at other people in the meantime.

 

Good note, it's not a lot of evidence, but it is still a potential tell. Your plan to keep thinking about him is good. On the note of Cat and looking at other people, what do you think about Cat's alignment? @Mixt , you too, if you please. I'd be interested in knowing what the two of you think about Cat.

 

I'm really excited you're here @Marushi . Blaine was extremely defensive and came off as arrogant, HOWEVER, part of this is just some of his personality.

However, from interacting with Blaine I see that when people question his choices he starts to get defensive and argumentative, especially when he is in the wrong and trying to make others believe that he's right. Because of this, it led me to believe that he was a good candidate for Mafia. Because of their different personalities I wanted to give Cat a good chance, but as someone said earlier, sub or not, they have the same role. I think there is a good chance that Blaine is/was one of the Mafia and that Cat now has the Mafia role.

I also find this connection interesting. Cat, Tale, and Heart (replaced by you), voted for Krowley, in that order. Then, the first people who posted after Krowley died were Tale, Heart, Mixt and Cat. All "Lamenting" about how they didn't get to see Krowley's analysis. They were the first people to vote for him, and four of them who also posted right away after he died. The connection is a stretch, but I want to go back to what I said about the Mafia M.O.

I figured at least someone did it because they panicked or were afraid of Krowley's ability, so they killed him outright. Another member was new and thought it'd be a good time to use Krowley to frame someone else, at new person. Heart hasn't played before, and Cat knows how good Krowley was at Mafia, and even said herself that he would have been a great asset. Now where does Mixt come into this? A few people suspected him but nothing really came of it. I'm including Mixt in this because I don't think that the Mafia would be so stupid to all vote up Krowley, and then kill him the next day. They would leave each other out in the open and it would be way too obvious. So who do I think is Town?

Well, I think it's a tie between Tale and Mixt. I'm leaning more towards Tale's side, but there isn't enough for me to go off of yet.

But Cat and Heart's position, I think, are both Mafia. That's because of what happened with Blaine, and the fact that Heart was newer at the game and maybe panicked a lot more at someone who was really skilled. From how Tale's acting I want to believe he's town, and I also believe if the other two are Mafia and he were Mafia, he wouldn't vote Krowley up because again, that would look really stupid, but I'm not sure. And Mixt, if Midnight isn't Mafia is my other choice.

But that also begs the question, why not kill Midnight or I? Well, I still ALSO think Midnight is Mafia, but her posts before could have just been realising she was too harsh, personally I see it as a backtrack.

So basically I think that because of Heart and Cat both voting for Krowley and him turning up dead + attitudes and other reactions are both Mafia. I also think Midnight is still Mafia simply because she hasn't been killed yet and she is a big threat.

HOWEVER @Marushi since you took Heart's spot I doubt you'll be quick to agree with me, since you'd be admitting yourself that you're Mafia XD

 

Heehee, you're right that agreeing with you about Heart would be putting myself in the noose. XD For the record, I don't agree with you about Heart, because I know she was town and I can also disprove your theory, but I'll save that for later. :p

For now, I'm confused about something else: So, before Krowley turned up dead, I've been having trouble finding anything about his potential skill as an analyst. In fact, most of the discussion about Krowley on that day was about how he was about to be replaced by a mod, and everyone was trying to decide whether they should lynch him themselves or let him be replaced. I went looking, and I can't find a single post about how he'd be a good analyst until after he was dead. So... What was exaggerated, exactly? You were the one who pointed It out; if you can link me to these posts, I'd be very grateful.