Look on the bright side

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  1. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    At least this means no more Agrabah, amirite guys.







    No but really, that's too bad.
     
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  3. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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  5. Ars Nova Just a ghost.

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    How dare you
     
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    Ignoring the fact that they announced a new voice for Genie weeks ago
    this is disgustingly distasteful
     
  7. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    Yeah, not a good joke.

    If you're going to make jokes, make jokes that elevate the man and his career and don't propagate a video game opinion.
     
  8. C This silence is mine

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    I wonder if they're going to change Genie's voice to something less Williams like, with the new voice actor. It would be in poor taste to keep it the same, considering the bad blood between Williams and Disney.
     
  9. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    Why?

    The dude died with much more fame, success, and money than most of us will ever have. Lord knows he had the resources to seek the help he so desperately needed, so I don't see the point in killing oneself. Call me insensitive, but I can't really respect someone who has the world and still decides to kill themselves. There are people who have it a lot worse than him (both financially and mentally) but still don't decide to kill themselves.

    I get it, maybe he was clinically depressed due to a chemical imbalance or whatever, but even then, there's still therapy and medication to help with that, you know? Money can't buy happiness, but it can sure as hell help cure depression.
     
  10. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    He didn't die of suicide. He died of depression and its warps on the mind. There are people mourning. Don't be insensitive.
     
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    I thought that was cleared up, he returned in the third Aladin movie, after all, right?
    You can't just ****ing magically cure depression, shut the **** up
     
  12. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    Please re-read the post. Nowhere in it did I say that you can magically cure depression. He had the resources to help TREAT it. I have a few friends who suffer from clinical depression, I know it's not easy, but medication and therapy definitely helps keep the depression at bay at least long enough to not have to resort to suicide.

    Valid.
     
  13. . : tale_wind Ice to see you!

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    It's possible he was seeking and/or using treatment. Unfortunately, different treatments have different effects on different people, and they may not have been working (or working as well as they could have) for him. But then, what's the use speculating? We aren't gonna know or figure out the real reason. All we can do at this point is remember him fondly and support those mourning him.

    ...But while we're all here talking about mental illness and how we talk about it:

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    Medication is not a magic catch all for depression, there is no guaranteed treatment, or anything like that, and blaming someone for not trying hard enough to avoid committing suicide is, again, disgusting
     
  15. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    Valid.

    I get that medication can't always fix depression, but killing oneself doesn't solve anything, and the fact that we're all so understanding of him killing himself is hazardous for other people who are depressed and contemplating suicide, because they may assume that suicide is okay and that their friends and family will understand, just like how everyone's understanding of Williams' suicide.

    Basically, I think the wide-spread tolerance of suicide is a bit hazardous on our society. Just my opinion, you don't need to agree.
     
  16. . : tale_wind Ice to see you!

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    We aren't saying to tolerate suicide. We're saying it isn't fair to say someone is being selfish or illogical or any of that stuff if they kill themselves while mentally ill.
     
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    Nowadays I try to stay out of this stuff -- at least in The Spam Zone -- because people typically disagree with my opinions or how I think (which is totally fine -- everyone is entitled to their own opinions), but I think the reason a lot people view suicide as selfish is because of the toll it takes on families and friends, which, sadly, has the potential chance of leading to other suicides and those suicides leading to other suicides, and so on.
     
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    No matter what your stances are on suicide, there is absolutely no way you can tell what's going on in someone else's mind. They may think that they are way beyond help and feel like they have no choice but to take such drastic measures. You're not thinking normally. What may seem logical to some obviously isn't to others when you're suffering from mental illness.
     
  19. DigitalAtlas Don't wake me from the dream.

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    The mourning thing doesn't just apply to his family or close friends or even people that knew him, is the thing. People like Ars Nova viewed this man as a hero and inspiration. You shouldn't just be sensitive because the way this man died, but because they are people here, in a community you choose to be apart of, that were very upset when they heard this news and are going through a period of grieving.

    I'm not saying Robin wouldn't want you to laugh, I'm just saying make sure to pick the jokes well. Don't use it to propagate a video game opinion, but rather elevate the man himself so people who are grieving can have a laugh. It would help them more than not.

    One of my favorite jokes to come out of this is "Are we sure he's just not trapped in Jumanji?" as that was part of his career and acknowledges his work. It's like when Macho Man Randy Savage died and people were saying how he stopped the apocalypse using his wrestling talents.
     
  20. Chad Thundercucc The dharma of valvu; the dream of a clatoris

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    Valid.

    That's probably true, especially considering that the family also has to take responsibility of the person's debt upon their suicide, as well (it'd be especially cumbersome if they didn't have life insurance, either).

    I suppose that's true, however I can't possibly imagine what he had to be depressed about. But yeah, I guess mental illness isn't ever logical.

    True, but he's a celebrity and not really someone many know personally. It's not like a member's mother had passed and I said "Haha, thank God x's mom is dead" or something like that.

    I dunno, maybe it's hard for me to grasp mourning for someone you didn't know personally. Excuse my insensitivity.

    I suppose my comments were insensitive considering his mental illness, however the concept of the dead being immune to criticism is a bit absurd in my opinion.

    You make a point, I just really hate Agrabah is all haha.