Kingdom Hearts Kingdom Hearts Ending

I think you've might have heard of this before but at the end of KH when Sora, Donald and Goofy were trying to close the door and Riku was pulling from the inside. Why couldn't of Riku push the door from the outside instead of in I mean thats kind of a stupid thing to do don't you think?

 

My thoughts exactly. But it turns out there is a reason.

Only true Darkness can go through the door of Kingdom Hearts. And Riku wasn't pure Darkness anymore, so he could not move.
Then again, I don't know where this was stated, and worst of all, it wasn't stated in the cutscene, so it looks stupid, yes.

And then Kairi... Kairi can't use the secret, ancient power known as "jumping".

 

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I totally have to agree with you there!

As for Riku, I just thought that he was at the other side of the door to be with the King or something. Maybe to ask him a question that we may never know... O.O

 

Thanks for agreeing, but I doubt your idea to be right. Riku showed up before Mickey did, and he probably had no knowledge of Mickey being there. And even so, can't he just ask the question AFTER they close the door, with everyone on the same side?

Why couldn't Square just make Riku say something like "The power of Darkness forbids me from crossing this door. I won't be around. Take care of her."?

 

But for most people and probably Sora as well they might have thought that they would never see Riku again. Would you really want your last words to be, "The power of Darkness forbids me from crossing this door." now the line "take care of her" is just a little side note instead of the main sentence.

 

Perhaps, but in exchange for that, we've got the discussion that started this Thread. I think it wasn't worth it, but that's my opinion only. Riku could have explained what's going on, before saying his last words, maybe?

Also, the KH universe has some pretty messed up laws of physics, so when you see Riku not crossing the door, you think "We don't know what the reason is, but we know there is one".

 

I always thought it was because at that point, Riku had no body/heart/soul/whatever. After Sora released Kairi's heart in Hollow Bastion and Ansem appeared, Riku was merely an apparition. Then, when they were on the coast of Destiny Islands at End of the World, and Riku turned around and transformed into Ansem, I thought that was Ansem completely taking over his heart/body/soul. He was then stuck in Kingdom Hearts with King Mickey, and could not exist into the 'real world' because he was not strong enough.

Clearly they were rather rushed, it'd be awkward if Riku just slid through, there was little room for Riku to push, etc. And I think it'd be silly if there was any explanation in that scene. I thought the "take care of her" line was really sweet.

Keep in mind that Riku didn't want to go home at that point. The darkness in him was not gone, and he had not learned to harness it (that would happen in Chain of Memories). He didn't want to risk bringing that to the Islands.

 

Hm. True. Haven't thought of that.

What about Kairi? Did she not jump because that would be "meddling in the affairs of other worlds", or something?

 

Actually there is a scene in FM where Riku first appears in the realm of darkness. Mickey was allready there and told him that he was fated to be there with him since you need a keyblade and two strong hearts on each side of the door in order to lock it.

My real question for the end is how did Kairi get there? Did she hide in the gummi ship and stalk them or something?

 

That would explain a lot. I knew Mickey (who is only a voice) told him he found the Dark Realm's Keyblade, but I had no idea what was the other things he said.

As for Kairi... my guess would be that the worlds had already started reforming, and Kairi was teleported to the patch of sand that was to re-become Destiny Islands. Probably because she is a Princess of Heart.

 

This is a really good thread to discuss. I never even thought of why Riku never went outside the door. I jsut let it be.

And for the Kairi thing. I agree with the fact that the worlds were being restored at that point and that's why she was there.
I have a theory behind how this all worked:
When Sora got to Destiny Island to fight Ansem, it was being destroyed. My idea is that the physical place was just the heart of the world being completely consumed by the darkness. By the time that Sora defeated Ansem, that small patch of sand was all that was left.
That's kind of my theory in a nutshell. I kind of have it better in my head.

but the quote was my concern!
If the world's were restoring to their original state before they were connected, then why did Kairi end up on Destiny Island. Her original birthplace was Hollow Bastion. This question occured to me yesterday, and I beat the game... 6 years ago? around then

 

IMO Although Kairi was born in Hollow Bastion she grew up in Destiny Islands and has no memories of Hollow Bastion (As explained early in KH1), because of this her heart recognized Destiny Islands as her home and not Hollow Bastion.

 

Interesting theory. Destiny Islands had been "destroyed", as in "it dissapeared from the sky". But the world's Heart must have gone to The End Of The World, as you pointed out.
The final battle occurred on a Destiny Islands-reminiscent place, so all that's left to answer is : How Kairi got there?

I'd like to add to your theory, to answer that question. When you think about it, there are only 3 people who actually espaced Destiny Islands : Sora, Riku, and Kairi.
Therefore, everyone else, Tidus, Wakka, Selphie, and all the other people, were already somewhere in the remains of the world.

Kairi rightfully belonged to Destiny Islands, simply because she was there when the world was taken over by the Darkness. Therefore she magically teleported on that patch of sand.
Riku was on the other side of that door. He must have magically teleported as well, but he could not get farther than that door.
As for Sora... I guess it's because he's the one to have restored the worlds by defeating Ansem. That also explains why Donald and Goofy stayed with him.

What do you think?

 

I do understand that the memories Kairi had did not belong to Hollow Bastion, but it was still her original home. The only thing is that if she had grown up on Hollow Bastion, she would have had memories there. It just seems weird.

With the darkness in the previous reply, but Hollow Bastion was the taken over by darkness before Kairi magically left.
WHICH ALSO confuses me. How did she get to Destiny Islands in the first place? I mean I know the gummi block walls or whatever, but she couldn't have made a ship in that short amount of time.. AND most of the people who leave there worlds and arrive somewhere else, their entire world was destroyed, not just overrun with Heartless.

I think the real reason for Sora and Kairi not being together at the end proved to be that it was more a 'will' thing. Sora didn't want to go with Kairi. Also, he figured that Kairi would've been safer at DI. And he always knew he had the connection to her and he just wanted to find a way to free Riku.

But I also feel that he kind of couldn't. Considering he was at Kingdom Hearts (wherever that may be), he couldn't physically remove himself from that plain, and Kairi couldn't remove herself from the physical plain of Destiny Island. Which is why they seperated at the end.

But Sora had to leave either way and find Riku and King Mickey.

I think that the world would be different from the people. Because even if there are no people the world should remain the same. IN the sense that the effect of human life still stays.

Just that when the world was taken over by darkness, then maybe the darkness consumed the hearts of all the people (or 99%) and then turned them into heartless, and they didn't end up with the heart of the world being destroyed. Cause even if the manmade structures still existed, it all came form the world it belonged. As in the man-made structures on DI were from trees from DI.

 

I'm assuming that you're referring to how Kairi got to Destiny Islands as a child. I apologize if I'm wrong. Anyway, in one of the Ansem Reports he states that he is sending a "girl" off to another world. It's pretty clear that it's Kairi.

That would actually make a lot of sense imo. o: It would explain why Kairi tripped, too, when she took a step towards Sora --- there was some sort of barrier keeping Sora at Kingdom Hearts and Kairi at Destiny Islands.

 

Well I read the reports the other day and remember nothing about a girl being sent to another world. But I did hear of something that said there was another reprot that wasnt in the game. It may be that, but I know for sure that I didnt read anything about that. I'll reread and come back.

and the tripping thing I thought was mainly because Kingdom Hearts was seperating from Destiny Islands. but at the same time could have been the barrier not allowing Kairi to leave the patch of sand.

 

Did you read reports from both games? I believe it was in KH2

 

Hm... this actually disproves the barrier theory, in my opinion. Kairi had practically fallen on the white ground. Had Sora been too slow to catch her ; they would've been together :shocked:


Also, for the ""Ansem" sent Kairi away" thing, my memory tells me it was in a Japanese-only game. Maybe KH1FM. But I can be very wrong.

 

Found it, I believe it's from the first game:

 

Well, you'll never know unless Sora wasn't there. lol
but I stick to my different plains theory.

and also I think thatwhatever isnt showed in final mix still happens in Kingdom Hearts 1 just there's no real proof that it happens

and I believe the Ansem Report XI is not in the original game of Kingdom Hearts. I have my 100% game on and there is no Ansem Report XI