Birth by Sleep Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep Discussion

Terra theory is a bit wrong,since when you defeat Xemnas,Terra appears,but this is just a game thing.
If the battle was canon(Almost sure it was),then Sora probably defeated Terra before going to TWTNW.

I Agree with Aqua theory,most of it is right/can happen.

Ven is still unknow to me,i cannot judge your theory since i don't know almost anything abot him,we still don't if that's the connection he has with Sora/Roxas,if it is though,you're could be right.

You remember the line:"We must return to free then from their torment"right?
It appeared in the middle of Jiminy's Journal,and i think in that game(Coded),we might get a clue of were is Ven,Who he is and what happened to Aqua.

It isn't in the other versions?

 

What? The numbers on the wall? No, they are only in Final Mix and if I remember well, I've noticed them after went in Roxas' TT

 

It isn't a bit wrong.I think that the xemnas you fight is actually a clone just like the one you fight on Memory Skyscraper.

Anyway what do you think about the thread in general.

 

He can be a clone. If the Org already created some datas, can do that also for Xemnas. I think the Xemnas that u fight in that strange place (1st Xemnas fight) is the real Xemnas and after being defeated he vanished and he used his clone to enter in KH and fight Sora and Riku, or maybe the real Xemnas entered in KH and then he used a clone to fight while he did what he wanted

 

I think that they were both clones.

 

Hmm. I think the first Xemnas was the real, because he got the power before entering into KH, and after getting that power he left his clone fight, because why Xemnas would have had to let take the power to his clone?

 

The Xemnas is Terra is still a bit wrong to me,because i don't think that Xemnas was the nobody of Terra.
I think he is Xehanort+his apprentice,his apprentice or Xehanort young again,or maybe even a new character.
Even if the one Sora fought is a clone,i don't think that the real one is Terra.

About Aqua i think that if that happen she will be restored at one of the In-Between worlds,and i think that maybe one of the three (Terra,Aqua and Ven)will actually appear in Yen Sid's tower.

About Ven,i think his body is at the room of Awakening,if not his,then MX's(If one my previous theories about Xehanort is wrong).

They're good theories in general.
The only one that i still don't fully aggre is with Terra's.


BTW,that door that appeared in the Authar(sp?) of naught,it leads to Kingdom Hearts right?Because that place looked a lot the the city.

 

No way. I'm sure that Xemnas is MX/ X's nobody (also they have the same eyes) He just have an unknown connection with the BBS's characters
Now I have another question:
Why King Mickey wield Star Seeker in BBS? I mean, why that Keyblade, and where is his Darkside Keyblade? I really have no idea about this

 

We will know when we see the face of the DS.

As for Mickey,he was trainig with Yen Sid and the Star Seeker chose him,pretty simple really.
And on KH1,he needed a Keyblade opossite to the one of Sora to seal KH,then he "gave up" Star Seeker and went to the Dark Realm to find another Keyblade.

 

I don't think so because i think that MX's apprentice was actually Briag also known as Xigbar because nomura said that he was there at the battle and i think he ment that in a much bigger way than just watching the battle.It also mentioned in the journal that Xigbar had much higher goal.Why would they put something so menial the Ansem reports like that?Because nomura was giving us the hint.

P.S: The Kingdomology family thread is up for all the members i invited.

 

Great, we will post the good and approved theories there:D

Oh, and I don't know if you already know how MX born, (maybe I'm wrong, because I think MX is not part of Xehanort, but they are different people, correct me if I am) When Sora defeated Ansem, his heart has been freed and return to MX. Then Sora defeated Xemnas (if he's the real, because it have no sense O_o) and MX's body returned to him. So Aqua Terra and Ven have some kind of connections with him

 

Braig was one of Ansem apprentices right?
So It couldn't be him,because he was the whole time with Ansem.
He really knew a lot of that battle,but i don't think he actually was in the battle or something.
He could've learned about it from Ansem,together with the other apprentices.
Of course we don't know everything,so i'm just speculating.

But who you all think Xehanort(Ansem Aprentice)is?

 

It's really complicate to say who is Xehanort. There are many theories about his real identity, but I'm not sure what's the right, maybe they are all right. However we know that he opened his heart to darkness (I don't remember why) creating Ansem and Xemnas. And MX for me is Xehanort. I don't know why he is old, maybe because he's from the future thanks to some ray like that in TT to transport Sora to Roxas' TT. However I'm pretty sure he comes from the future cause of the power of darkness is most powerful than the Xehanort of the past. Once Sora defeated Ansem and Xemnas, they was gathered in their real body, creating again Xehanort (that he is made to call MX). I think the numbers on the wall in the room where's the ray that transport Sora in Roxas' TT (KH2 FM) are the datas for create another ray or a machine that can go into the past and in the future, that can trip in the time. So he came back at the time of BBS. His purpose was to destroy Terra, Aqua and Ven, to cancel Sora (and Roxas) from the future. They could be cancelled, because daxma (but I don't know if it's real) said that Roxas has Ven's heart, so destroying Ven, Roxas will be destroyed.

Roxas can have a heart because he has and can feel the friends (like Axel, and I think also he has a heart, because he cryied and also he can feel friends) so it's pretty sure that he has a heart, and I think when he is united again with Sora, he lost Ven's heart, I don't k now if it came again to Ven or not...

However back on MX, returning back in the time and destroying TAV Sora will never exist and MX can have the power to control everything, all the darkness in the worlds etc...

 

Look at the giant theory i posted in the BBS enemies thread.I've managed to link all the aprentices to BBS in some way except for Lexeus.

 

Okay i readed it.
And i actually think that is pretty well right.
But it still doesn't explain how xigbar can be DS,since he was one of the apprentices already,if he was,Ansem would know,and if he did,he would write in the reports.

And also,there's the lexicon,i already thought about it,it was hidden for so long,that makes people think it's important.
I too,think it is important but i still don't know what to think about it.
Maybe it has not been destroyed,since when Riku Replica absorved Zexion he wasn't with the book.

 

Do you guys want to resume this debate in the kingdomology thread.
That way we can have this debate without people butting in.

 

That sucks I really wanted to battle Terra and some of the Organization characters from KH2:FM

Oh yeah I just found out that in the KH2 secret ending when the shadowy figure in the dust approaches the 3 soldiers that someone looks like Xemnas, axel or Xigbar I mean wit there Organization coat on and hood up.This is probably how Org.13 started.That person also looks like the shadow on the beach that Ven talks to but with the hood down. Probably the new character. You guys all probably have MX as your Hypothesis for the shadowy figure but this is my prediction because I know the 2 secret endings are at different times.

Also just takin another guess do you think Riku has a connection with Aqua I know their names don't have the same meaning but still their physical appearance looks as if they have the same genetics. Also in the kingdom hearts openings you always see him in the water like the meaning of aqua's name. Or could he have a connection wit the DS because they both were engulfed by darkness. That probably leads up to why he could see the Destiny Islands Keyhole.

I think Xehanort was found by Ansem the Wise but he was DS in the past. He was also the one in the coat in the secret cave of Destiny Islands. At the end when Sora destroyed him his MX was released from Xehanort's heart becoming Xemnas. In KH2 when Diz data machine exploded the hearts were released including Xehanort's from Riku's body. Xehanort worked for Xemnas by becoming the Gaurdian Soldier at the throne of the dragon. Another thing to remember is that the last Xemnas battle he clones just like he did in the beggining of the KH2: FM secret ending as he approached TVA. So that could give you an Idea that Xemnas is Actually master Xehanort but the other side of him was Terra who was deep inside Master Xehanort. Then when you defeat him Terra Awakens which brings him to the gathering and brings up the portal.

 

can,t want tell kingdom birth by sleep comes out:guns:

 

My gosh, I hope the SE event on Saturday will reveal something about BBS. Half a fucking year and bloody nada info.

 

am i the only one?

Am i the only person in the world that thinks that terra is aprrentice xehanort/ heartless ansem/ xemnas

does it make sense to anybody else??