Birth by Sleep Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep Discussion

That time Riku still didn't have i good amount of Darkness in his heart,he was still a young boy and some people say the hearts of children is pure,he could have a little amount of Darkness in his heart,but the same as everyone else.

 

But he wanted to open his heart to the darkness, so he can also saw it if he really wanted.

 

Right,but it was when he was older.
When he saw the Keyhole he was 5 or 6 years old.

 

Oooh, right, now I remember that scene. Well, I think he didn't want to see the keyhole, it just show itself like if it wanted tell him a message

 

I thought it too.
But i think someone wanted to show him.
And it needed to be someone with a Keyblade.

 

I think Ansem showed it to Riku because he saw a great potential in Riku's heart (a great power, but also the desire to become free and open his heart to darkness). So he thought that he could be the Keyblade wielder, but the Keyblade chose Sora

 

Yeah.
It would actually make sense if:Ansem Possesed Riku, he was wielding Kingdom Key and Kingdom Key has something about Xehanort(Like Kingdom Key holds his memories or something).

I just can't find the proper words but i think what i thought may be right...................

 

In BBS both the begining and the end of it were on both KH2 and KH2:Final Mix. I know this because the secret ending's begining of KH2 was different than the beggining of the secret ending for KH2: Final Mix.

1): The three soldiers are each wielding two keyblades, and In KH2FM they each are only wielding one keyblade.

2): The shadowy figure of someone in the dust is different than the shadowy figure of MX in KH2FM.

The shadowy figure in the Secret ending of KH2 actually looks like the shadow of someone that Ven talks to at the main shore of destiny Islands.

So what Im saying is the secret ending from KH2FM might actually be the begining of BBS and the secret ending for KH2 is actually the end. Its not official im just taking a wild theoretical guess.

 

Was it ever stated that these clips were the end?

 

I think it might have been, but I don't remember Nomura saying anything specific about that. But he kinda has a good theoretical guess on that though.

 

It was MX.
There's no way these scenes are different,except for the fact that on the first they were wielding 2 Keyblades.

And also,lot's of people think that's the end,but i think it's on the middle of the game.

 

Yeah, but how do you know that's MX. I mean like ArchAwesomeman's third choice it might be the new character. If you were to focus and i mean really focus on the figure of the first secret ending and then the shadowy figure on the beach that Ven talks to looks as if it had Riku/Aqua's hair.

 

I will try,and also,the someone that you see by the side of Ven,i think it's Terra or Aqua.

Anyway,But your theory that the first video was the end is wrong.
Since the scenario changed a lot during the fight.
If they are different scenes it could only be the opossite.

 

One of the 3 KH games that I really really can't wait to play!!!!
Wonder how will it be to be Terra or Ven or Aqua....
And also want to know how the story will be....

 

I think that shadow on the beach with Ven that u mean, is Aqua or it can be also Kairi, because she usually go on that beach, I'm not sure about Kairi, however that shadow seems more feminine

 

Let me clear up this thing about the secret endings.

The KH2 secret ending was a concept video. That's to say, less than 50% of what you see there will be in the actual game. The KH2:FM secret ending is a continuation of the regular KH2 secret ending. The figure near the end of the KH2 secret ending is definitely MX. The only reason he looks different there is because Nomura obviously hadn't finished his design yet. Heck, Nomura hadn't even thought up of what Terra, Aqua, and Ven's faces were gonna look like back then. The reason they picked up the Keyblades was to show that VAT weren't SRK, only that they had connections. The picking up of the Keyblades is completely non-canon.

The KH2:FM secret ending is what really happened. Now some of you may be thinking, "What about Deep Dive (KH1:FM secret ending)? A lot of things in Deep Dive didn't happen in KH2." Well that's because Deep Dive was made more than 2 years before KH2 released, heck, before Nomura even thought of making a sequel. The KH2:FM secret ending, however, was not only made when BBS was already in production, but Nomura had already finished the story for BBS. So the KH2:FM secret ending is pretty accurate.

 

Hmm, good point. And in the ending video of KH2, if I remember well, Ven looks loke more tall than the secret ending of KH2 FM, he seems tall as Terra in that video. I didn't know that they had not finished to create the new characters...

DeadHeart, you're right. While Roxas' and Sora's fight in KH2, Roxas told to Sora "Why he (or "it", I don't remember well) picked you". But who was that "he"?? Terra??? O_o

 

To be totally honest i think that trizzle might have a point.I mean KHII:FM+ Secret ending has already been proved to be the beginning and there is a chance that the KHII secret ending is actually the end but who said that the times of these are around the same time.I think that the KHII secret ending is actually based after kingdom hearts 2....I know your thinking What the F*ck is he talking about.... but i think that i have figured it out and all centers just before the gang enter the Proof of existance,just when the kingdom hearts data explodes but it actually all starts when roxas joins with sora again in Ansems lab.Once roxas joined with sora he didn't need vens heart(Look at my previous theories to understand how that might've happened) which was then transfered back into kingdom hearts.

Now to the data explosion.Surely people noticed that Xemnas dissappeared once the light cleared and i think i know why and also i think this is where TAV all com back almost simultaniously.If my speculation is right(and it's right 60% of the time) i think that the 14th member is actually Aquas nobody and when the kingdom heart data exploded it released TAV's hearts.With their hearts put back into them they regained their memories and they became whole.I believe that xemnas had become terra again and dissappeareed just before the light cleared and just before the gang could see him.I think that terra left sora clones to fight instead of himself.That is when he appears in The gathering place to think and start get all his memories back.After sora is done fighting the clones he goes to Disney castle to find a portal to sunset horizon where terra was(In my previous theories you will find what i think all he said there meant).I think once sora confronted terra, he was still confused and attacked sora because he thought sora was xeahnort.After sora defeated him i think he returned to the crossroads.

Now to Aqua.I'll need to know what actually happens in 358/2 days before i can be sure.I think that,as i've said above, that Aquas nobody is the 14th member.People say the last boss in 358/2 days is aquas nobody and and i think thats the case and that she survives but until 358/2 days comes out i won't know for certain.When the data explosion went off her heart was released and she gained it back her memories.After this she searched and found her armor and found it in the old lab and put it on.She then made her way to the crossroads.

Next is ven the enigma of the kingdom hearts forums at the moment.I think that once roxas joined with sora roxas returned vens heart to kingdom hearts and the heart laid there until the data explosion of kingdom hearts.His heart was released once more but it didn't go to sora again.It went straight to vens body.This allowed ven to regain his memories and he went towards the crossroads.By the time they had reached the crossroads they saw each other and picked up there keyblades.This was all happening at the very same time as SRK were reading the letter that was sent by the king which leads me to beleive that mickey knows that something must be happening if TAV are back which leads me to beleive that Master Xeahnort doesn't die during BBS and TAV want to finish what they started and by the looks of it SRK are being told by mickey that Master Xeahnort are back and i think that in KH3 both SRK and TAV are after Master Xeahnort.

I know going to mention the keyblades but i actually think that is symbolic that SRK and TAV are joining together and the shadowy figure is Master Xeahnort but this is just symbolic for the fact their enemy out there somewhere but they don't know where he is.

Please give your speculations.

 

Hmm. I agree almost of all of that. I thought that if Roxas has a heart I think in some ways also Axel has 1, not just for the fact that in a scene of KH2 FM he was crying, but also because he can have friends, and he can feel them, maybe he had Aqua's heart or another. I'm also pretty sure that in 358/2 Days the 14th member is Aqua or Aqua's nobody.
Also I don't know how it can connect something, but in KH2 FM at Twilight Town, in the room where's the ray that can transport Sora in Roxas' TT, on the wall there are some digits, maybe to create a new data Org XIII member, maybe the 14th, or maybe that was to create a data Sora, there are also a Japanese sentence when u push triangle near them, but I can't read Japanese