Kingdom Hearts III Kingdom Hearts 3 idea

Discussion in 'General & Upcoming Kingdom Hearts' started by Bleeh, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Bleeh Moogle Assistant

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    Well this is my first post, but I won't do any introductions, I only really signed up as I was bored and wanted some opinions on my theory. I didn't play Kingdom Hearts 3D as I am poor (and need to save up for the inevitable release of Kingdom Hearts 3 on the PS4 anyway) but I watched a walkthrough and thought it was crap and made the plot ridiculous but that's another story. The basic gist, I believe, is that Xeahnort has come up with another crazy plan to create Kingdom Hearts with 13 dark vessels fighting 7 light ones. I don't know the details of the 13 but that's not really important for this theory. My idea is about who the 7 lights are and immediately I noticed something:

    1. Mickey
    2. Riku
    3. Kairi (that's what I understood from the secret ending anyway)
    4. Lea
    5. Aqua
    6. Terra
    7. Ventus

    So Sora could not be included in these 7 'lights'. Sorry if this has already been picked up on, I had a scroll round the forums but didn't see much relating. There are some flaws, in that it would require a haste rescue of Aqua and Terra as well as the seperation of Ventus from Sora (possibly weakening him a lot) and sorting out the whole Terra issue, which I don't really understand anymore as Xeahnort's an old git again. My thinking is that the whole idea of Kingdom Hearts 3D was discovering that Sora isn't necessarily a total, pure 'light' or a conventional keyblade wielder. I got the idea that he was special and had 'ways of recovering what was lost just by being him' or something like that which Ansem said at the end. Therefore I think (and hope) that Kingdom Hearts 3 will be comprised of Sora being initially excluded from this 'battle' that is meant to go down and him gathering up those other three lights so they can sort it out while Sora and his buddy boys D and G sort some serious **** out down South. Of course Sora, D and G would then have to sort those jokers out who will inevitably fail at taking out the Xeahnorts and save the day. That's what I hope anyway. I get the feeling he may be part of those 7 and the plot will be kind of boring and Sora's 'specialness' will fade away with the ridiculous number of keyblades we seem to be seeing left, right and of course the centre. That's just another theory anyway. Thoughts?
     
  2. Neku_Sakuraba Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Umm..... Sora IS a light. And Terra is currently part of the darkness, I believe.
     
  3. dreambydistance Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Nah, Kingdom Hearts without Sora being a "light" is just...idk, doesn't really add up right.... :/
    We aren't for certain who are the Seven Lights, but I believe Sora will have a major role of being one and will pull something off at the last second.
     
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    Well it's a theory at least. I feel if he weren't it would make the game superior without him having the predictable role of team of heroes, it would also open up room for Donald and Goofy to get a slice of action as they seem to be developing somewhat of a bloodlust. If he were to have been a pure light would he so easily have fallen into uncertainty with the simple mind games in KH3D? The fact that Roxas was partially dark as well suggests to me more of an uncertainty with Sora as well. It's just a theory I suppose but if Sora was indeed a light, which one on the list would be excluded? I'm unfamilliar with the Terra situation, I know he was all dark in Birth by Sleep but to be honest I only played Ventus in that game. I got the basic gist that he realised the light when he was talking to Xeahnort in the secret ending and I presume he'll be one of the 'lightest' and raring to go when saved, though maybe naiive. I honestly see it as being a possibility, especially as I feel there are little hints along the way. No one's ever particularly said Sora was a massive 'light' and there are always little tipoffs about how weird it is he can wield the Keyblade even with Riku going 'dark'. And what is the whole concept of light and dark in this game series? Basically when you have evil in your heart you are a 'dark', in that case a lot of people would be excluded from the list and mess up the whole thing if you count Riku, Lea and Terra. So I presume those are all going to be somehow lights and I do imagine Sora as being somewhat of a waverer. He failed the test, he's a kid, easily manipulated, he's always been alright with a D on the left and indeed a G on the right but they are not keyblade wielders so they can't come. Without them though, Sora may be considered somewhat of a liability due to the events of KH3D despite being a 'light' so that could be reason enough to go for Terra and the others. And that whole speech at the end with Ansem talking about how Sora is special really made up for a game that I thought was otherwise the worst in the series with its developments. Here, take a look around the 3:50 mark:

    Again, its a theory and it bases highly around the direction I want the series to go in, of course if I were in charge of it I'd make KH3 the last in the series as I think another 'saga' wouldn't work at all, but that's just me and they will make another saga as Kingdom Hearts is getting on to being almost the same as Final Fantasy in terms of cash cow levels. Also, as a final note, think about what the whole of KH3D was about. It was essentially the downfall of Sora. There were some other different plot developements which were nearly all terrible but essentially it was Sora's downfall. This appeals to me as KH3 should be about Sora being a bit weak, a bit pathetic, everyone's outgrown him and he has to prove that he's the best and they're all a bunch of suckers for thinking they can take on the enemy themselves when he has had to constantly save their arses in the past.
    *EDIT* So 6:58 pretty much confirms he's not a light. Of course you can never be too sure with the dub as it's not as Nomura originally intended but I don't think it's a slip. As said, the whole game's premise is pointing out that he's not really a light but more of an ordinary guy. Anyway, thought it was an interesting note.
     
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    First of all, Darkness is in every person's heart in the KH Universe. Second of all, Sora is THE main character of the series. He's had a massive role the entire time, and EVERYBODY knows him at this point. From Aladdin to Mickey and all others in between. You can't just leave Sora out of it, that would be uncool. And he's not incompetent without Donald and Goofy, right? I think what the Battle of Light and Darkness that Xehanort dedicated a speech to is right up Sora's ally :D You know how Sora became a heartless? That was his darkness. He can still fight for the Light. And anyways, that battle would be too awesome to play in for Nomura to not give us. There's probably going to be some epic "find yourself" journey kind of thing before hand that Sora goes through.



    And no, Sora is not my favorite character, Roxas is.
     
  6. Bleeh Moogle Assistant

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    Haha, okay some intersting points. I do believe I recall some quote from one of the reports that darkness is in everyone's hearts, except the princess', one would presume which is kind of a flaw in the whole concept of the light vs dark thing. Although, after closer examination of some more KH3D, are the seven meant to be warriors of light? In that case it wouldn't particularly matter if they have darkness in their hearts as long as they wield keyblades and fight for the light. If this is the case then I still stand by what I think would be an interesting situation, you've still got Mickey, Riku, Lea, Aqua, Terra, Ventus and Kairi but the fact that you can now allow a little bit of darkness means the Terra and Riku problem is kind of solved. Now I accept that leaving Sora out of this battle would seem a bit uncool but that speech Ansem did (again) at around 7:07 he says Sora needs to be himself. And being himself would be letting him loose, fixing some other plot device that may be introduced with D and G (because let's be honeset, they're coming back and I will welcome them as well) abd generally having a good ol' time while they get annoyed about how underpowered and outnumbered they are. I support you're argument that Sora is the main character and that's why I think it's essential he does stuff on his own with Donald and Goofy, it's his adventure. My thinking would be that we'd see cutscenes of the battle between the others but they'll lose and eventually it'll just be Sora, D and G against the lot of them (and this wouldn't be a bad time to introduce a power up that's hugely overpowered like Final Form in KH2 to deal with such situations). The epic battle would be taking them all on himself with D and G because, let's be honest, the others aren't exactly up to scratch. And when Sora has been without Donald and Goofy he has been fundamentally vulnerable in his head, as KH3D proved substantially, remember the Furious XIII were messing with him about Roxas so D and G supported him and basically got him to tell them to **** off. But now we've established the lights aren't actually lights at all but warriors of the said 'light'; this is good.
    I also accept you're character preferance even if I don't understand it, Roxas is literally a nobody with an annoying, whiny personality and wants to be whole himself even though that's impossible but will probably be made possible thanks to the amount of fanboys such as yourself and Nomura's idea to actually pull a Disney and make everything happily ever after. Why couldn't Axel just die, and Roxas, and Namine, and all of the furious XIII, and Ansem, and all the people who became heartless. It's seriously losing credibility with me here.
     
  7. Alan Smithee Destiny Islands Resident

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    Not the 7 Princesses'.

    PS: With all these Hearts being screwed over by their own Darkness, I'm surprised no one's finally snapped and tried to become an artificial "Princess Of Heart" yet.
     
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    That's true, not the seven princesses. But besides them and Ventus, everyone has some Darkness in their heart, right?
     
  9. Alan Smithee Destiny Islands Resident

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    Vanitas is Ven's Darkness, and they rejoined (badly) at the end of BBS, so I doubt Ven really counts.
     
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    Oh, okay, then no one besides the princesses.