Kickstarter is a good thing they said

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Fuk? again.

 

Hi unlikeable forced laugh and nothing but uncreative punchlines aka memes! I didn't miss you at all!

Sorry, had to.

Thread on this already in gaming section. And it's not a bad thing.

 

You're one of those "LE REDDIT XDD LOL!" shitposters, aren't you?

Gaming section is dead, nobody cares about it.

 

Not to interject, but you're both dead on and completely off here.

Basically, this comes down to a lack of understanding (not on your part, on the world's part) of the word innovation. The word simply means introducing new ideas. These new ideas are meant to change how developers think and create. Is technology innovation? No, it's proof of time elapsing. Technological advance itself isn't an innovation, rather it's proof of evolution. Adding more resolution and pixels? It doesn't change how people think other than their first viewing. Yes, it can make older games look dated. But only when they are games like Crysis where they decide to push technological limits. Since technology is always evolving, Crysis one day will look as bad as Deus Ex does today. You know what will never look dated? Super Metroid. Because that was its art style.

Back to innovation, as opposed to technological evolution, implementing new ideas still doesn't apply to indie games. Not even Mine Craft because the sandbox game has existed for a long time. Innovation is when you add things that have never been seen before at all. So you're correct there. Limbo isn't innovation, nor is Bastion. Are both creative? Of course. Are both more a labor of love for gaming than most AAA games? Absolutely. But it's not innovation.

The biggest example I can give of innovation in gaming is Pikmin. This is a game that took the basics of the RTS genre (controlling lots of dudes) and turned it into a puzzle-filled, micro-managemant adventure. In fact, it created its own genre! Look at LittleKingStory and Project P100, all games being labeled as the "Pikmin genre."

There are plenty of examples of innovation in gaming. Portal, Metroid Prime, Mirror's Edge, Majora's Mask, Shadow of the Colossus, Little Big Planet, etc. However, putting it on an entirely technical level means that innovation is limited to hardware limitations. While saying it's based on creativity is just dumbing down gaming. All games should be creative or doing something new (Hi Spec Ops: The Line). Adding an idea that changes a genre and gives an entire new perspective on what can be done with the medium? That's innovation.

No, I'm one of those "Memes are unintelligent attempts at comedy" kind of people.

It's only dead if you don't know how to click to it or check for updates. It's like a cellphone. Sure, it's dead if you ignore it for hours and hours, but charge it and it's good to go.

 

Ah, I see. So you are one of those guys who shitposts about shitposts. At this point it's just **** shitting shits, the driving force behind the internet.

Nah, it's dead because there's only a few posts in there a day, unless there's something big happening. Won't matter wether or not I check on it once in a while (which I do).

 

I wasn't wrong about innovation. Innovation is doing something new to something that already exists to make it better. The technical innovations I mentioned are brand new things. Cryengine 3 has brand new physics, rendering methods and lighting. Making systems more powerful and more affordable is what opens up a lot more possibilities. What you said about Pikmin is innovation. What I said about technology is innovation too. I never said that innovation was limited to technology innovations. I said the major ones are. Without technological innovation, we would never have all those games you mentioned.

 

I want the OUYA. D:​

 

That's because so few people on KHV actually care about video games outside of FF and KH. Which is sad.

 

You seem to be focusing more on technology than design. You mentioned that an Indie Dev could never have made Skyrim, and you're right, but only in the programming aspect. That's what big name companies are good for. They make great engines and great games with those engines. However, going back to Skyrim, it could have been very well done from a design perspective if an Indie company had had both the idea and access to Bethesda's Creation Engine. Just look at the huge modding community that Skyrim has in the Steam Workshop. In there, you have hundreds of mods made my hundreds of developers all for the purpose of making one game into what they believe is the best game it can be. The exact same kind of community (minus an easy to use mod API) exists for Minecraft. The only real gameplay difference between Skyrim and Minecraft is that Skyrim (like the other Elder Scrolls games) has clearly defined goals and objectives, which is good for a game coming from a large corporation. In the end, it all comes down to expectations. I want this kind of game from a giant like Bethesda and that kind of game from a little guy like Mojang. For example, Bethesda could never pull off a game like 0x10c because their audience just won't expect that from them. Mojang can do it because they're known for making oddball games that require the player to do about as much work as the developer. Similarly, there's no way I'd want a Skyrim-like game from Mojang. It doesn't matter if it's better than Skyrim itself. It's just not what I want from the little mom and pop store on the corner of the strip mall.

As far as Crytek, yes, they made the most beautiful graphics engine in the world, but I don't care about that. I care about fun games that have a) a good story, b) simple yet immersive game mechanics, c) constantly make me think while I'm playing, or d) any combination of the first three. Max Payne III has incredibly realistic animation? Who gives a crap? I've played parts of it didn't find it fun at all. Big names can focus on making big things with new technology and indies can focus on making smaller things with old technology that are just as good (gameplaywise) as the big things.

TL;DR: Maybe indie games aren't innovative, but they keep "outdated" game styles alive. I don't see anything wrong with that. Now I'm done with this thread. See ya, lamers.

 

Thank you for quiting. I didn't really feel like going through and picking apart how many things that are wrong about what you just said.

 

Most indie games suck anyway.

 

You know what I really dislike about Minecraft? How it has made a fair amount of people believe that not having instructions for basic actions in a game is alright. It's unlikely that it will matter, but it might come back to haunt us. Looking up wiki's for instructions, hoorah.

This is true, but it is the fanbase we have decided to associate with when joining this forum.

 

And most indie developers are dicks

Hi Notch and Phil Fish.

 

I remember reading his tweets for a while. He really is a dick and seems to think he's the second coming of Christ.

 

I remember he told some fan to choke on a dick. He's worse than TotalBiscuit.

 

FEZ is ****ing delicious but Phil Fish is reeeeeally off-putting.

 

There was something about Fez that just made me not like it. The look and sound of the game didn't appeal much to me and I cannot recall a game with worse puzzles than Fez. Some of them I couldn't possibly figure out, due to not being American. Maybe my hatred for Phil Fish clouded my view of the game, but I really did just not like it.

 

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The thing is the whole thing runs on Android.
Android can be PERFECTLY emulated on a computer
PERFECTLY
This isn't like PCSX or something where it runs well
this runs PERFECTLY
Hell you can plug in an Android phone into your tv and use bluetooth to connect a playstation 3 controller essentially doing everything that this thing is said to be able to do.
You're paying for stuff you can already do.

 

http://www.raspberrypi.org/​