Birth by Sleep Just noticed about Way to Dawn

RtD appears to be in the BBS video and appears to be very old at that. Point being that Riki didn'y make it from his Souldeater as somepeople have said. Just'd like to point that out.

 

Yeah there was a Keyblade that looked a lot like WttD. I do wonder if it was called that originally.

It is why I theorize that it became Soul Eater after events in BBS and was a Keyblade in 'dormancy' until Kingdom Hearts awakened it and changed Riku back to normal. Also, it was an unusual blade to just give to Riku and for it to not have had a history seemed odd to me. Considering some of BBS takes place on Maleficent's home world, it doesn't surprise me that she would get it and then give it to Riku, knowing what he was. It was capable of killing Heartless, as it was shown even in KH where he used it to destroy one that was sneaking up on Sora, and other areas. He also used it in KH2 to do the same without Sora being around. So far, saying it was a Keyblade that had lost some of its power and was hidden seems to be the only fair explanation I can give it at this time.

 

were did you find this movie - i mean i've only seen those 2 trailers you get from the games

 

I have three ideas about it:

1) Way to Dawn and Soul Eater aren't actually the same blade. Soul Eater was just a psuedo-keyblade that Riku acquired from Maleficent in order to fight after he lost the rights to the keyblade (originally supposed to weild the Kingdom Key, but lost it to Sora when he opened the Door on Destiny Islands and accepted the darkness of Xehanort's Heartless). When his heart had become pure enough again (after he had proved himself worthy to the Light and helped Sora and Kairi enough) he was able to weild the Way to Dawn, being the only one of the three left, without knowing of the switch.

2) Following the same story as above, the Keyblade rejected Riku because of his darkness, and the Kingdom Key went to Sora. But because he was destined to become a Keybearer, the Way to Dawn altered its form (either of its own volition or because of some altering by its previous owner) and became the Soul Eater. Then, when he became able to weild the Keyblade again, the Soul Eater reverted back to normal.

3) Soul Eater was just a powerful blade holding the power of darkness that Maleficent had and gave to Riku to do her bidding, completely separate of the Way to Dawn. Then, as stated in the above two stories, when Riku's heart was able to weild a keyblade, he was able to alter its form into the Keyblade, creating two separate Way to Dawn blades.

Just theories. Enjoy.

 

These are interesting theories but I agree with parts but I can find holes in them.

1. Since Kairi's Keyblade and some others in the past without Keychains seemed to be more 'pseudo-keyblades', I don't think Soul Eater would classify for that. It was not capable of unlocking or locking anything. It could defeat Heartless but was clearly not a Keyblade outright. This is why I say it was a 'dormant' Keyblade that probably lost power being used for Darkness, perhaps losing Light by some error in the past during BBS time, or was just changed because of the former wielder being taken to Darkness.

2. Riku did not officially fall to Darkness until he chose it over his friend to help him in his plight. He had a moment of severe weakness and this was all the way near the end of KH at Hollow Bastion. Riku had been given Soul Eater before he went to Traverse Town and met up with Sora there at the beginning of the game. Riku also took the Kingdom Key from Sora but when Sora demanded it back, Riku returned it to him. When Riku 'took it', it appeared in his hand because he was chosen for it. Giving it back to Sora let Sora keep holding it. Therefore, it's pretty safe to say that Maleficent gave Riku Soul Eater but he was not corrupted by Darkness even near enough for the Kingdom Key to deny him the power. Also, he took it again in Hollow Bastion when he was more dark and he lost it there. He however fights yet again with Soul Eater, which has not changed.

3. I think that Maleficent gave him Soul Eater and she may not have known it was once a Keyblade either, but it was a magical weapon. Why though do you think Soul Eater was not the Way to the Dawn that is seen in the trailer? I do agree with the third response you gave that it would have held Darkness.

Perhaps though since it is both of Dark and Light, the Keyblade once infused with the Light, since it already had Darkness as Soul Eater, made it WttD. I don't see why there would be two Way to the Dawn Keyblades really. Even Mickey's and Sora's base Keyblades can be told easily apart by their altered coloring. If there are two Way to the Dawns, it just seems pretty odd to me, especially since the colorings are pretty close and not opposite like the two Kingdom Keys are. I could always get surprised though.

 

If we are talking about the "Gathering" scene, I was under the impression it was only concept, or was I wrong?

 

Can you explain more on what you mean by 'Gathering' scene? I'm not sure I get what moment you refer to.

 

Gathering is the japanese name of Sunset Horizons... and Riku had WttD BEFORE Kingdom Hearts exploded lol

 

I mean that scene where the three knights grab the old Keyblades.

 

I thought it was said that Birth By Sleep (secret ending) cancelled out Sunset Horizons. If you look, they aren't holding the Keyblades in the beginning of BBS, and the walking figure (Master Xehanort)'s posture changed. As for the Soul Eater/Way to the Dawn theory, I suppose it's possible it was a 'Keyblade in disguise', so to say.

 

Hmm, I don't know if I think it was a concept. I thought it was an actual deed that they went out there and got the Keyblades.

Also, it is weird that Riku had WttD in a way before the Heart deal, but says 'Soul Eater' so I am not sure what was up with that and if it was a mistake or not. I swear in some scenes it was WttD and then in others it was Soul Eater again. That part of the game really confused me with that.

 

According to Nomura, Riku calls Way to the Dawn 'Soul Eater' out of habit.

What I'm curious about is what happened in between the second visit to the Land of Dragons and the scene in TWTNW that made Soul Eater turn (back?) into Way to the Dawn...

 

Yeah, I'd like to know that too. There's a lot Riku did and went through that was definitely not explained. It was somewhat difficult to ascertain where Riku was in all of it till I ended the game and then played it again to make certain. Obviously he did learn a lot and figure things out in between all of his dark portaling around to various places and saving Sora and Kairi's butts.

 

Sunset Horizons (aka Gathering) and Birth By Sleep are supposed to happen one after the other lol

 

Really?

Was this confirmed, or is it just a guess?

If the Former, then I have some theorizing to do.

 

I'm pretty sure confirmed, but don't ask me for a source, because I have NO idea where to look for the proof... too long ago lol

 

i thought it was just concept. You know, only to give us a brief idea of the next game.

 

Considering that SH has several 'key phrases' that are important to the future of KH... I suppose it could go either way lol

 

Eh.

Ah well. Guess for Sunset horizons it is ambiguous whether it is concept or not. But the fight is certainly in the game, I remember it was confirmed.


Oh, and a bit off topic, but you (Oblivion) seem to be a good member, but I notice that you seem to end your sentences with "lol" even when there is nothing that really warrents it. You may want to stop doing that.

Just a small tip from me.

*prepares for De-repping*

 

*shrugs* I guess it's both a habit... and the fact that I find many things amusing...

EDIT: I actually thought that you were preparing to de-rep ME for some reason... and de-repping someone for giving advice is what *******s do...