Birth by Sleep Is Terra really Xehanort?

I mean the Xehanort from previous games, not Baldinort.

 

You haven't been keeping up with the news or theories have you?

We don't know for sure if Terra is Xehanort.
We don't know what happens to Master Xehanort, his apprentice, Aqua, Ventus, or Terra.
Nor do we know Xehanort's past.

The main theories have to do with MX possessing Terra, Terra going into the darkness, or DS (Dark Soldier = The apprentice) being Xehanort.

 

:D im guessing my theory of a time loop didnt get put forward then :D

 

Nope.
It'd be a good fan fiction though.
But doesn't really fit the KH theme.

And by "main theories", I mean theories that are supported by a reasonable amount of people.

 

Yes, I have been keeping up with the theories. I just haven't seen a thread for one of these yet. The one where Terra goes to the darkness is the one I was talking about.

 

acutally you havent because this idea has been discussed many atimes..

and i believe that most up-to-date members have come to the conclusion, its a very good chance that Terra becomes the Xehanort from the current KH series (and the main boss in KH3)

duh.

 

Kindly elaborate. Assuming the Terra!Xehanort theories are true, I still don't see how you reach this conclusion, because there are no Xehanorts left.

Baldinort dies.
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Baldinort possesses Terra.
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Terra!Xehanort loses all memories and is found by Ansem the Wise.
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Terra!Xehanort meddles with hearts against Ansem's orders.
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Terra!Xehanort tempts the other apprentices and seals Ansem away, stealing his name.
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Terra!Xehanort and the apprentices lose their hearts to the darkness, becoming Nobodies and Heartless.
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Other apprentices become normal Heartless, while Terra!Xehanort splits into a nobody and a conscious Heartless. The Nobody is known as Xemnas, while the Heartless keeps the name Ansem and takes the title Seeker of Darkness.
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Ansem Seeker of Darkness does his stuff in KH1 and is killed at the end of it. He lives on as a mere shadow in Riku.
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Xemnas does his stuff in KH2 along with the Nobodies of the other apprentices and is killed at the end of it. Riku is purged of Ansem Seeker of Darkness via DiZ's (Ansem the Wise's) machine. Ansem the Wise is also killed.​

As we can see, there is no Xehanort/Xemnas/Xehanort's Heartless/Ansem Seeker of Darkness left to be an enemy.

 

im assuming, that some how Xehanort is still...alive?

thats what i thought Larxene ment when in CoM she said.

[Talking to Vexen about Sora]
Larxene: He to came back from the Darkness, and we (caution needed, cuz im pretty sure im not quoting it exactly right, but im getting the main point across) only know one other person to do that.

now, im assuming that "other person" was Xehanort, but then again this was just an idea...

and also, it seems only fitting to fight the guy who has made all the problems for Sora, Riku, Kairi, and all of the worlds. and defeat him.

its a trilogy, thats how it works out 8D ill try and hunt down that cutscene...im not sure if it was in Re:CoM but i know it was in the GBA version...

 

Just out of curiousity, am I the only person that thinks that the Dark Soldier is actually going to be the source of everything? Bear with me on this.

DS has the same suit that Dark Riku had, correct? (Well, many similarities.)
It's safe to assume he has some relation to the Darkness, whether it be he's controlled or is a Heartless.

I'm going on the world's biggest limb here, but I believe that the Dark Soldier is Baldinort's "mistake" that he wants Terra to correct. I think Master Xehanort actually has some connection to King Mickey and then defected. That's why the three are looking for him. He then becomes interested in Darkness and Hearts, leading him to create the first Heartless: Dark Soldier. But, the Dark Soldier grew out of his control and began to create more heartless, which eventually overthrew the Unversed. I think that Master Xehanort possesses Terra and becomes Xehanort(Ansem's assistant). He does this because the Dark Soldier is trying to kill him. Then, the memories of his previous form begin to remember the darkness and again dabbles in it, making Ansem(the Heartless one) and Xemnas. If I remember correctly, Organization XIII said they remember what it was like to be real. Maybe Master Xehanort used Terra as a catalystic body to live through and getting a heart would separate them. Then, he could do the same with Sora in KH3 when the real enemy turns out to be the Dark Soldier.

Anyway, that's just some stuff I've been thinking about. My take on the whole "possession" thing.

 

That particular conversation was about Sora. They said that he kept his consciousness the darkness, and their leader was the only other one to do that. We already know this. They are talking about Ansem Seeker of Darkness, as he managed to maintain his form and speech, even after giving in to the darkness.

 

How? Care to explain with the rest of the class?

 

I still say that Xehanort is Terra's Unversed all the clues are there.

Spoiler

1. He had no memories of his past and never regained them despite Ansem's attempts to help him.
2. Xehanort had no compassion for the people he tortured in his experiments. He even continued after his master forbade him.
(Even someone with amnesia would never do this.)
3. He was able to keep him human form and self as a Heartless.
4. Xemnas thought the heart was made up of rage and hatred.
5. Xenmas' element was Nothingness, something I think is impossible for a human to gain after becoming a Nobody.

I know they might not seem much like clues but if you think about it, it kinda makes sense. (To me anyway.)

 

I for one remain 99% certain that Terra is the somebody of Ansem the Wise's apprentice. =/

Exactly how would that end up happening? I'm not sure. Nor do I think it will be entirely obvious before the game is released. Right now, almost any character's a possibility; however, from seeing so many hints linking Terra to Xehanort, I've got my bets on Terra. ^^

 

I have been thinking that Xeanort was Terras Unversed I dont know why just have feeling about it.

 

1. We don't know that for sure. I believe as Xemnas, he regained all his memories of Xehanort. But again, there's no way to know for sure whether Xehanort, his heartless, or Xemnas regained his memories.

2. It's called being evil.

3. He doesn't know why. That is weird, considering Heartless are supposed to get more monstrous the more powerful they become. You can say his Guardian, or his final form is his real monstrous form, but again, even he himself didn't know why. But it was never said Unversed can become Heartless and keep their human forms.

4. Wasn't that his Heartless that thought that? Well, Xemnas may have thought so as well, I can't remember.
Oh wait, his Heartless thought Darkness was the heart's essence, and Xemnas believed rage and hatred were its power? I think...
Regardless, hatred and rage are negative emotions, so taht would make sense. Again, we don't know if Unversed can make Heartless and Nobodies yet. That may be possible, but I don't think it's probable.
That's like saying a Nobody could become a Heartless. (Depending on the Nobody of course, i.e. one with a heart. Namine or Roxas?)

5. Nobodies are (pretty much) nohing. They have no right to exist. They don't belong to neither Light nor Darkness. I'll admit that I would have expected Xemnas to have Darkness as his element, especially considering the protagonist was the Hero of Light, or what have you, and his Nobody's element was Light. But it makes perfect sense for the strongest Nobody (and oldest, in terms of the Organization) to control Nothingness.

To wrap it up, I'd like to say again, we still don't know what Unversed are. They're obviously not actual humans, but we can't say they have the capability to lose their Hearts to Darkness and bodies to nothingness. Besides, didn't Nomura said their primary colors were blue and red? Xehanort wasn't red nor blue. He looked human to me.
I do believe Terra becomes, or contributes to, the being we know as Xehanort, but there are other ways instead of just becoming an Unversed.

Join the club lol
One of my theories is that Xehanort was somehow made from either Terra and DS, or Terra, DS, and MX, with Terra being the main body or substance. But not matter what, I think Terra is the main component of Xehanort.
If it turns out he isn't, then I'm 100% sure he has something to do with him.

I really don't think it's a possession, but it makes sense. It'd even give a little background to the game.
MX was on Yen Sid or Mickey's side. If Mickey was king, maybe MX was a scientist for him? Mickey had to learn about the Keyblade from somebody (well, besides Yen Side) MX made a mistake in creating DS and his previous apprentices (TVA) were sent to find him by either Mickey or Yen Sid. Mickey then decided to be trained by Yen Sid in order to be help, or something along the lines.
If DS did create the Heartless or let them out of the Realm of Darkness, the Heartless could have become the predators of the Unversed, hunting them down.
But more Unversed would be able to made...
The secret on how Unversed come to be and how they disappear is starting to get on my nerves.

Sora was shown being watched by Terra and Ven.

You'd think Xemnas and Ansem would have joined leagues somehow. We don't even know if they wereaware of each other. It's possible Org. XIII could be refering to the Roxas aspect of Sora in that convo, but either way, I think Nomura hinted at (but not flat out said) that if a Heartless is defeated and then its corresponding Nobody, it's possible for its True Self to be reborn.

 

I think people need to stop saying A is the Unversed of B. since we really don 't know what an Unversed is or how it's made. personally I still agree with the Terra=Xehanort theory. It makes the most sense to me.

 

if that was true we'd have another xehanort to fight in kh3

 

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Xehanort, in some way or essence, has been the bad guy for BBS, KH1, KH2, CoM (depending on your point of view. He was the leader of the actual bad guy), Days (not necessarily the bad guy in the game, but the cause of the agony he caused the main characters).

 

That conversation was just them pointing out that Sora and Xehanort were unique in that they did not immediately succumb to the urge to seek and eat hearts.

Yes, I recall discussing that interview around a year ago. It's also been confirmed that Axel is going to return too. So we might end up facing Xehanort in KH3.

 

Well his somebody will be in BBS along with Saix's.

Spoiler

He's named Lea and apparently he was good friends with Saix's other

Now if he will be in KH3 has yet to be said, but considering how much the KH staff loves him I don't see why he wouldn't be in it