Kingdom Hearts II Is OrgXII Really Evil??

Well, they could've told sora. "Excuse me, keyblade wielder. We would want our hearts back. Will you please destroy heatless for us?"

Marluxia and the other CoM Org. members had a slightly different agenda which involved kidnapping and mind warping.

Then if you have to blame Sora for always trying to kill them., blame Yensid for telling him they were enemies in the first place.

 

Wow, there really is a lot of sympathy for the Org, though I don't consider it a bad thing. I will just add on that really if you were in the situation of Sora, it would not be an easy choice to do things, but I still side with the fact it had to be done. I don't feel they were all -evil- but some of them were pretty rotten people and they were fanatical about their drive to get what they want. Some of them though were just people that were not good at all really.

Marluxia - He was scum really. He was a betrayer and possibly with his own motivations and drives for power was worse than Xemnas. He seemed the true psychopathic one out of the Org with no real caring for anything other than power.

Larxene - I debate on. She seemed to at least care somewhat for Axel and just because she was sadistic and liked to torment some others, I doubt she would have betrayed the Org itself if Marluxia hadn't motivated her to it. She just wanted to do her own thing. However, it doesn't make her a nice person. She and Marluxia were pretty rotten to Namine and also Riku Replica.

Luxord - Was a manipulator that was controlling Heartless which ...killed people. He was not a nice guy and was just having his fun living it up while doing his job. He showed no real care either way in what he did other than a flare for doing it fancily. He had to go. He also cursed Jack Sparrow, though we can debate on how 'good' a person Jack is too heh.

Xaldin - He's a killer and a manipulator, cold and ruthless. He was also pompous and was attempting to force Beast to succomb to Darkness and nearly succeeded. Beast is a friend of Sora's so of course he's going to try to prevent such a nasty fate from befalling him.

Vexen - He's another one that was one of the worst members of the Org. He was a manipulator and shrewd. He also made the Riku Replica and messed that creation's mind up pretty darn good. He was clearly on his own agenda to betray Xemnas and the Org and confronted Zexion on trying to recruit him, which Zexion didn't really want a part of. He wasn't a nice guy. He was a selfish mad scientist.

Saix - People keep mentioning his pining for the Kingdom Hearts and his poor wittle lost heart. He had no care about anything else the whole time, was mocking Axel pretty well because Axel -did- want a Heart and he saw it as a weakness that he had a -friend-. He also was just a jerk and dirty player with people's emotions and also a sadist in his way, though he preferred to break people mentally rather than just physically. He was one of the worst people of the Org, when people compare who is -evil- or not.

Lexaeus - He was attempting to force Riku to become 'one with the Darkness' and nearly actually killed Riku, who had to be saved by King Mickey in his time of weakness there. He wasn't that bad of a guy for the Org itself and seemed loyal enough, but he wasn't a -nice- guy either to do that.

Zexion - Was trying to break Riku's spirit and kill him. Riku really wasn't doing anything wrong there and if they had just let him alone in trying to manipulate him and then destroy him when they found his will too indomitable, Riku may have just left. I wouldn't say Zexion though was so -evil- as I would say he was what his title was...a schemer. He did appear loyal to the Org despite what Vexen was doing.

Xemnas - The leader who was behind it all had a fanatical design and zealous approach to doing what he wanted and nothing else mattered to him. He wanted revenge probably on Master Xehanort, who though his Heartless may have been dealt with, he may in some or other form still be out there. At least that's my thoughts on his motivations, though I can't be sure. Something has driven Xemnas to rage though, despite the loss of feelings, those were the ones he wanted most. The ones he remembered. Now, Sora -did- do the typical Sora thing and try to talk to Xemnas too, and I think people forget that. He tried to tell him that the Heart was not just meant for such negative emotions. Xemnas though was bent to his scheme and revenge, rage etc and that's all that mattered to him. He had to be stopped, whether he had reasons for it or not.

So what's that leave us with really?

Demyx - He followed orders. He may have been approachable had Sora tried to communicate with him instead of doing what he did. However, the fear of the Org as Axel had may have just resulted in the same outcome happening any way. It's hard to say. Demyx ran often on the instinct of -fear- though he had no emotions. He is one of the few people that actually may have been redeemable though at that time. Had Xemnas been taken out, maybe some of the others would have too but I don't know if they would have been worse or not. Demyx alone though probably would not have.

Xigbar - He was caught up in things and what his true thoughts on stuff was, we will never know since Sora really didn't talk to him much at all. He did have information though being #2 and if I were in Sora's shoes, it'd have prompted me to try to learn more. However, he did wake up and corrupt the dragon there too so that the dragon would get to corrupting and destroying the castle there. I don't know if he was working with Shan-Yu but it did not appear so really as much as he was working around him and using Shan-Yu's actions to aid his own plots. He did seem disappointed and upset about Roxas though, and he probably knew things about Roxas that Sora did not, and about the past Keybladers. His agenda may have been important and yet we won't know. Sora was pretty dumb on just offing him really.

Axel - Axel was selfish and just wanted his friend back. Also, he was scared of Xemnas turning him into a Dusk. However, he was also motivated to turn and it was sad he gave up his life, but he did not really probably think there was a point in existing after all that he had gone through. Sora wasn't bad here but Axel too had not been a great good guy in CoM despite his wildcard nature.

So in the end, the Organization may not have been bad and perhaps the last 3 were people that could have been altered to other goals, and maybe Larxene too if she wasn't too sadistic to change, but I don't see how Sora could have been any different with the former people, nor could Riku. Even if they aren't all -evil-, they were simply too devoted to what they wanted and had no real care at all for other people's sufferings or deaths to get their own agendas met and that kind of fanaticism can be seen in the real world too. Sometimes, even if you can sympathize with the enemy, you still have to fight them over what it is they are doing wrong. I feel it is better to understand the enemy and if anything, that is where I'd most fault Sora. He never really asked much and if people were telling me I was someone else...I'd pay attention. However, KH1 also could have been resolved a lot earlier if Sora had taken notice of Kairi's Heart being merged with him too and Riku wouldn't have descended himself into Darkness with his own desperation had Sora noticed anything. Sora is not so dumb but he does have a serious problem with perceiving things. He just flows as his name suggests, like the wind or air and follows his Heart. He's not a real thinker and so he's not going to be perfect. I think that all of the characters in KH had their flaws and that is Sora's main one. It's not that he doesn't -care- because he truly does. It's that he doesn't evaluate, question enough, or open himself to perceive things about his surroundings.

My apologies for another long-winded post. =:)