Kingdom Hearts II Is OrgXII Really Evil??

The only evil members in the Organization were Larxene and Marluxia. Larxene taunted and mocked Sora (not to mention that she was a psycho), and Marluxia wanted to seize control of the Organization for his own ends. Xemnas doesn't strike me as truly evil, because he said, "share your (Kingdom Hearts) power with all Nobodies," so he was trying to help all Nobodies, not just himself or the Organization. Zexion, Vexen, and Lexaeus aren't evil to me because they were trying to protect the Organization from Marluxia and Larxene. Saix isn't evil because, shortly before he fades, he says, "Kingdom Hearts. Where is my heart?" meaning he just wanted his heart back.

The only members who strike me as good were Axel, Roxas, and, to some extent, Demyx (he hated fighting).

To be honest, though, Organization XIII strikes me as one of those groups with the justification (in their opinion) of "the end justifies the means."

 

They're good in a way, and evil in another. They are good because all they are really trying to do is be whole, but they are evil because of their actions. Although... They don't feel emotion, so they don't really know that they're doing anything wrong... Hmm...

 

i don't think they're evil. they were doing all of that for their hearts. i mean if you couldn't really feel anything, would you be able to tell the difference between good and evil anyway? i mean, yeah ok they did do some bad stuff but doesn't the end justify the means? i mean, look at this way. you want something that you truly need and desire, wouldn't you do anything for it even if it means doing some bad stuff? and everything they did wasn't bad. so really, they're not good or evil. just poeple looking to find their existance doing whatever was necessary.

 

Actually they knew what they were doing like putting Kairi into the dungeon and mushing Beast into a real big jerk and cursing Jack Sparrow. Look even if you sympathize with the Nobodies they really needed to be stopped even if you like them they still needed to be stopped and who knows what could've happen when they were complete. And Roxas a former member who said "They're a bad group."

 

Bad? From Sora's perspective, yes. But evil? No. They all only desired to have emotions; they just used different methods.

No, not even they were evil. Marluxia wanting to overthrow Xemnas and take over the Organization was merely an alternate method to achieve the same goal as every other Nobody. Larxene simply agreed. They're no different than any other Organization member.

In FM+, it was stated that Axel was "good", but only while he was in Roxas or Sora's presence, because their hearts actually connected to him and caused himself to temporarily have emotions. Roxas is the only Nobody that's actually different from the other Organization XIII members, as he's probably the only known Nobody that's "good" and actually has emotions. It's true that Demyx didn't prefer to fight, but on the inside, he was like everyone else in Organization XIII.

They're neither. The only reason they want to become whole is so that they can have emotions and thus a free will, that isn't necessarily good. Their actions aren't personal at all, but simply their methods for achieving their goals.


C'mon, guys. It's even stated in the game and the guides themselves that they aren't "light" or "dark". They're "nothingness".

 

Exactly. You have a good way of explaining things...

 

I don't think all of them were bad... Their intentions (getting their hearts back) were ok, but the way they did it (messing with Sora, Riku, Kingdom Hearts, Etc.) was not ok.

 

I wish people would stop referring to DiZ as DiZ and call him by his real name, Ansem the Wise.

That being said, Ansem just made the organization seem evil, because he was obsessed with revenge against Xehanort. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that Org. XIII isn't really evil.

 

I don't think they were evil. I could sit here and type out reasons all day, but at the moment the only real thing I have to say is this:

The only difference between a hero and a villain is the side you're on.

 

I'm pretty sure Xemnas was evil. Looking at how his heartless behaved and how he wouldn't listen to Ansem in the first place. If Xemnas got what he wanted.....then all of the worlds might've suffered.

 

I really don't see why some people think Xemnas is evil. The main reasons I see people giving for it are comparing him to Xehanort and his Heartless, which I don't think is a valid argument. He's someone different. He has different goals and motivations. Though Xemnas is working off the scientific background of Xehanort it's not the door or the darkness that he's after. Can anyone blame him for wanting to be whole?

He hasn't done anything worse than any other member of the Organization. I don't think it's fair to single him out like that just because of Ansem.

 

Exactly. There's two sides to every conflict. Look at both sides and try to consider all the possibilities. The Organization only wanted to be whole. Who said that they would go on a destructive rampage once that happened? I think it's more likely that they would have disbanded. But Sora the Serial Killer was pumped with propoganda and biased, vengance-based views, so of course he thought, "OMG, ORG XIII MUST DIIIIIIIIEEE!"

 

The only one that really didn't do anything was Demyx....he was just annoying Sora.
The others however...

a few simply stated opinions:

Xemnas- Sure, he wanted to be whole....but he had the whole psychopathic take over the world thing goin' for him. I mean couldn't he just help destroy the heartless to return all hearts back to their respective owners instead of making elaborite plans?

I mean, The org. didn't have to use Sora to destroy heartless for them. THey could've done so themselves or at least helped Sora destroy them.

Xigbar- He did kind of attack Sora first.

Xaldin- He was trying to get Beast's heartless. What would he use it for? Certainly not something nice......

Vexen- He wasn't all that evil. But he was in on messing with Sora's head. Not something good people would do. Even if they are just looking for a heart...

Leaxeus-He didn't have enough personality but seeing as he joined in on messing with Riku....

Zexion-His plans were shady and his intentions were not good...

Saix- While SAix just wanted his heart, did he have to go through all of the scheming?

Axel- Well.....Axel turned out all right in the end. He started out as kind of evil.

Demyx- He...was just annoying.

Luxord- Was the whole Port Royal incedent really neccesary? Putting people of Port Royal in harms way to get Sora to kill a heartless or whatever he wanted.

Marluxia- He was just evil, to me. He drifted away from any good qualities Org. XII might've had....

Larxene- She was sadistic. I think she was going along with everything for the fun of it.....

Roxas- He was basically good throughout KH2...

That's it...I know most of these reasons stink but that's all I have.

 

not evil...just they did what they had to, to get KH

Heartless*

 

They could've done it without harming any worlds....

 

And I'm pretty sure he wasn't. Let's see: the game, Ultimania, Nomura himself; every one of them stated that he wasn't, actually. Since they lack hearts and emotions, Nobodies technically can't be evil, unless they're "Special Nobodies".

Since when did Xemnas want to take over the world? Last time I checked, he only wanted to build a new world for Nobodies like him once they've become whole again.

Yes, they did. The Heartless need to be defeated with Keyblades in order for the hearts to be released and for them to contribute to Kingdom Hearts. Nobodies can't wield Keyblades.

All of these "bad things" you're listing of Organization XIII are simply their own methods of contributing to the creation of Kingdom Hearts so they can have hearts themselves. The deeds may have been evil, but the Nobodies themselves weren't. Because they can't be. Even if they actually tried.

 

Well...it's obvious that Axel supposedly "turned to the good side" so does that mean Organization XII is evil? I think their neutral. Xemnas and Xehoaurt (or whatever sp??) are just power crazy weirdos though. I mean, Maleficient and Pete/heartless are bad guys, Sora's a good guy (though it get's confusing towards the end) so Org. XII is in the middle, right? Not for either side but their own category....I call it ORGNUTRALEISM!

 

Axel "turned to the good side" because he temporarily had a heart when in Sora and Roxas' (and probably Namine's as well) presence. This is confirmed in FM+ twice, by Axel and Xemnas.

Xemnas wanted to become whole again, a natural instinct that all Nobodies have. How is that "power crazy"? Xehanort's Heartless, yes, but not Xemnas.

 

Oh...well that makes sense.

 

Evil? How were they evil? Most people were just using them as target practice anyhow, most likely. I just used them for target practice, so I didn't notice. XD