Kingdom Hearts II Is OrgXII Really Evil??

I mean what's wrong with being able to exist... sure they took the wrong way of doing and acting like d***s but that's just unfair

 

The way DiZ sees it, they are harming those who do have hearts, but I think it is bull to call them evil like that. They just want to return back to their original lives, don't they?

 

Well...Its only some of them that are actully good..like axel...But most of them just want Kingdom Hearts so they can bw whole~
ther're not THAT bad!!

 

I don't think they are very evil... they are just... uh... being Nobodies! I just wonder why it would have been so terrible if they actually go ttheir hearts back? Nothing, I guess. Well, yeah, they DID do everything mean, like hurt people by releasing the Heartless into the worlds and forcing Naminé to alter people's memories so they could control Sora...
But anyway, I think DiZ and Yen Sid and all those people who keep saying that Nobodies shouldn't exist are VERY narrow-minded. I really don't like that kind of, uh... discrimination! "Only people who have hearts have the right to live!" that is NOT true! (Wow, that sounded biologically odd). Okay, I'm done.

To sum it up: Organization XIII did some things that were wrong but I don't think they are evil. Some of them maybe can't act like 'good guys' because they don't have feelings, but in the end, they just want to exist.

 

Yeah actually they're not that bad..I'd want to be whole too if I was a Nobody. DiZ just got pissed and dragged everyone else with him

 

They fought for what they wanted,and used and hurt people that got in their way..but they arent evil,they just wanted to be whole...

 

This has always been a hard question for me, I feel that there are two sides that would lead to the answer. There is what has been mentioned, and then there is the harm that every world would have to go through in their process of trying to get their hearts back - in reality all they did was ot create new heartless and nobodies, in other words killing other innocent people. Is it really worth it? There was no real recipe/answer if they could actually get back their hearts or not, it was like a huge experiment with the other worlds' inhabitants as guiena pigs. Though since they are nobodies, their concience is more slim so this was probably their view of justice?

When it all comes down to it, only Roxas and Namine had the chance to get their hearts back. The others may have tried, though there was basicly no hope for them I feel.

 

Good question. I do not believe the Organization XIII were 'evil' as I really do not like the word -evil- to describe things. It's a man-made term that simply means doing something against a religious doctrine really. As I doubt the Organization believed in any deity or path of thoughts in that regard, no, they weren't.

As was pointed out, the Org were for the most part trying to get their hearts back. Some were really not what I'd consider constructive people or positive people. I.e. Saix was really a jerk. It's difficult to feel sympathy for some, but others, you could. The point though to get was that the Org had very little if any sympathy to those who were not Nobodies. They were on a mission, and it is one that I think was deeper than just -getting hearts back-, because I'm sure Xemnas had plans afterwards. Whether those plans were for a bent good reason or not, can be debated but just looking at some of the people like Axel, Xigbar, Demyx and maybe even Larxene, Zexion and Lexaeus, they weren't -so- bad, even though they did deeds that obviously compromised others' existence to support their own.

I'd just say that I think they had some intentions that may have been good, but they were going about things the wrong way and there may have been hope for them had they not done things in the way they had. I think some were forced also to do what they had to do and it was clear Xemnas at least threatened Axel to a task, so it wouldn't surprise me if others were not issues from time to time that he had to put in line to his schemes. This is what gave rise to Vexen wanting to know more about Xemnas and his sleep, or Marluxia finding out information as well and wanting to use Sora to get rid of Xemnas. Many in the Organization were not what one could call 'nice' but at the same time, maybe in different circumstances, some may have been alright.

So to wrap up my opinion on it, which as usual turned into some form of an essay for those I drive nuts having to read this all, I'd say that they were not -evil- but they were approaching a situation with deeds that had to be stopped. Were I in Sora's or Riku's shoes, I would have gone to stop them too, though I wouldn't have been as cold as Sora was at points. I think Riku was a lot more understanding of the situation and that sometimes if some people are fanatical and won't be stopped, you have to stop them, but he was more sympathetic and did not just follow DiZ's words as Sora did with Yen Sid. Part of that I think comes from the fact he had to deal with them in CoM and also Repliku, who he did not view as evil, despite the fact Repliku tried to kill him. He stayed with the Riku Replica and talked to him as he died. He also dealt with Namine and Axel, and Namine was someone DiZ pretty well ordered Riku to get rid of.

They were fanatical to what they were doing, and if some weren't, they were definitely in fear of Xemnas, who was determined, and Saix seemed utterly devoted to it too. They were capable of doing great harm and that's the path they chose. It's an interesting thing to me to look at wars in history even and see that people often paint the other side as 'lesser beings' or 'evil' when really it's a fight over ideals that conflict enough to put people head to head. They weren't evil, but they weren't willing to compromise either. If they were, things might have worked differently.

 

well....yea they were bad. they didn't have to be bad, but the way they went about their business was just stupid. they didnt' have to make enemies with Sora by choosing to attack him, they could've as least TRIED to talk things over with him. and since both sides did want to get rid of the heartless, they could've worked together or something along that line

 

Yeah I think they were bad. They were turning people into Heartless. Kidnaps Kairi and Turns Sora's Memory into mush. And you don't know what would happen if they got their hearts back. The Universe would've explode. And Also besides Xehanort and the other five and Roxas we don't know what they were before they were Nobodies.

 

I don think they're particularly "bad" at nature. It's just that their ways of handling things went the wrong way.

 

Sure, they did some stuff, but they aren't nesscasarily mean that they're evil. They only want hearts.

 

I'm going to have to agree with namine on this

Good or bad, I don't know. They're a group of people wanting to be whole.

Or something along the lines of that. I don't really know...

 

Well I don't think there was anything ridiculously evil about them, but if they were to have behaved more properly and hadn't stirred up so much mayhem, there probably wouldn't have even been a problem. The only reason they seemed fit for elimination was because together, they posed as a threat on society.

 

Organization XIII= NOT EVIL.

Sure, they did bad stuff, but that doesn't make them evil, necissarily. Actually, me and a friend were talking about this. She said everyone was okay, except for Xemnas and Larxene. I don't even think they are evil, just.... misunderstood... lol

If you had no heart to feel emotions with, like sympathy and guilt, wouldn't you be a bit on the "evil" side? :stupid:

 

there not evil just misunderstood

 

Actually, in terms of the Kingdom Hearts Universe, they're neither good nor evil. At all. Nor are they in-between.

The powers in this series implicates what "side" someone is on. Riku, Xehanort, and the Heartless used "Darkness", Sora used "Light", and the Nobodies use "Nothingness". Riku wasn't entirely evil, but he had to have had some amount of darkness within him in order for him to have the ability of using it. The same rule applies to Sora with light. The Nobodies cannot use light or darkness, because they have no amount of either within them (the only exception to this case is Roxas). They simply have no emotion at all; they're only doing these things only because they have a desire to have emotions. Everyone else had a free will and could choose whether they wanted to be "light" or "dark". The Nobodies have no such thing; they're all essentially ignorant, robotic beings.

That being said, the Nobodies are simply nothing, as implied. They have no emotion to choose whether they want to be good or evil. They have no desire to do good things, and no desire to do evil things. The only desire they have is to gain a free will.

 

Well Xemnas, Marluxia, Larxene, Zexion and Xaldin are deffinatly bad, Marluxia and Larxene used Sora to kill Xemnas so that they could take over the Organization, Xemnas is bad because he wanted Kingdom Hearts to himself, Xaldin's bad because he kidnapped Belle and turned Beast into a Angry jerk and Zexion since he used Riku's friends against him. I'm not sure about the others.

I would probably have to say all six apprentices were bad and Larxene and Marluxia.

 

I say what there doing is wrong... but not really...evil.

 

Its like having the urge to do something, because you feel empty, they kinda feel like since the are nobodies, nothing to anyone, alone, they have become bent on being like everyone else, its like what Namine said when talking to Roxas at the start, Roxas said, something like "Organisation XIII, they're a bad group." She replies, "Good or bad, I don't know, all I know is they are looking for something, and will do anything to get it..."
So in a way they are both good and evil, they kept Kairi safe while Sora was fighting, because they needed her to fuel Sora's rage, and also Saix was trying to protect Sora frrom Axel making him into a Heartless, so he helped.
You can't class them as bad nor good, jut your enemy...