Kingdom Hearts II Is Axel or Roxas better at fighting and why?

Using that argument though, Riku also had powers innate with Darkness and then Twilight. He could have turned out the same way as Roxas. Roxas's fighting was berserk because he had a temper. He could have used Light differently most likely. Riku's nature is more as a defender so he uses his for attack and defense as well as protecting others. In the end, Sora, out of the three, could have had more of a disadvantage because a lot of his stuff does come from other sources instead of totally innate like theirs. He is still developing that, which is what I believe the Drive Forms represent.

 

That makes perfect sense to me.two thumbs up!

 

Whoa! I never thought of it that way.

 

i think roxas, why because he owned axel's @$$

 

Roxas is stronger. He beat Axel when he still didn't have all his memory of fighting skills back. Imagine how strong he must have been before, when he had magic and everything.

 

Okay lets think of it this way, if Diz wasn't controlling Twilight Town and giving Roxas keyblades to fight then maybe it could be possible that he can beat Axel. That is the reason and it wasn't even remotely a fair fight to begin with so either way it should be undecidecive. Then again the keyblade really damages an organization member, but Axel likes to play with his victims, but then get serious and being unpredictible and fast. Axel was an assassin for a reason because of his ability to fight and manipulate and eliminate his pursuers. He really has more experience and knows how to use his element well.

 

I agree. Axel does have more experience plus fighting and taking on challenges is in his blood.

 

Axel. More experience and he actually uses magic. (Roxas actually does in 358/2) Plus, Axel seems smarter.

 

*sigh*

Contrary to popular belief, it seems, Axel cannot come up with ploys or attacks in the midst of fighting when one is more powerful than him, and no experience can when concerning him. A good example of this, and one that went through his thoughts, is in the Novels, where he confronts Saïx, who, no doubt, can destroy and fry his @ss. What did Axel do? Came to the fact that he can't defeat the man, too strong compared to him, and then, opted a plan to, yes, run away. Mind you, it was smart, and it goes with his....how was it said, manipulation, yet, the fact remains that he used it to back away and leave what would've been a battle.

How's that for Axel using tactics? >.>

It's the same way he ran from Saïx in KH2 itself as well, when he was revealing the Organization's plans to Sora. Once Saïx appeared, he's like, "Uh-oh", and portalled away himself.

In other words, no, Axel is not capable of forming plans and strategies when in a fight as oppose to normal and every day use as people think he does. When he goes against someone, all of that leaves him, and he's not in control anymore, and can't be in control anymore. He's more of a wildcard, random, and goes with what is best to do at the very moment without a clear approach. Actually, that's fact already, unless the Novels are wrong...in which, they really aren't. This is exactly what was described, he doesn't know what to do, and goes with whatever fits in the situation.

Add to that, that Roxas is the third strongest member after Xemnas, and Xaldin.

Conclusion: Roxas wins.

 

I don't really see the need for the *sigh*. Axel is spontaneous and a wild card by nature which does make him even at times unpredictable to himself. I agree, but I think you miss out on some things.

However, he -does- have fighting prowess and skill. He's honed what he has and he can stand up to opponents that are troublesome such as Marluxia and yes, he did get the surprise on Vexen. However, facing Saix with Saix fully facing him and all, I can see why he made for a strategic retreat. He knew he did not have the element that would turn the tide in the situation so it was a good spontaneous choice. Just because he makes choices like that does not mean he did not train hard which shows when you do fight him. He's a very smooth fighter that just lets things flow. He's not a brawler or berserk. It's the difference between a martial artist that may be scrawny compared to a person who is a berserk and sometimes one side wins and sometimes the other will. He was an assassin for a reason, knowing how to use the element of surprise. If he doesn't have that, it hurts him. It doesn't though mean he was not a very skilled fighter with what he had even if he was weaker than Saix.

As for Roxas, again, his attacks were all about power. He had immense power and an element that could harm Nobodies and Heartless alike; the element of Light. It did push him to being the 2nd most powerful member of the Organization. However, he lacked in focused technique and threw power left and right because he could. I will still say that though Roxas is more powerful and could beat Axel, or any member of the Org save for Xemnas himself because of raw power, Axel had more technique and the better fighting style. If Axel had possessed Roxas's power along with having his fighting technique, he would have been a lot more deadly than Roxas.

 

The *sigh* was because, at times, people choose Axel due to favoritism, without looking at the facts presented. It had nothing to do with those here precisely, but a expression to show that, I've read many type of responses this way that simply always gear to Axel. Not that I meant it to be serious, of course, I just needed a entrance :D.

I'm not saying he is not honed for fighting, or that he isn't smooth, or that he has not trained himself. We could say that for all the Organization members, who have also build on their strengths, and have gained skills through hard work, some having more power, some specializing more in certain abilities [example, Larxene and the fact that her speed excedes those of her colleagues], and others depending on strategy and tactics, as well as manipulation, like Zexion. Axel is a part of them for a reason.

The fact stands that, he's not in it very mentally as he would be when in a casual environment where he's certain that he's in control [in Castle Oblivion, he was in that control, spending most of the time in the background, and didn't have to fight to gain the goal he was looking for], and comes up with unpredictable/random acts at the spur of the moment when involved in battle because the results are also unpredictable. While that said unpredictability might surprise himself, it can either be a advantage or a disadvantage. There's nothing to say that all of his fights are like that, but there's nothing to say that they aren't either unless we are given another example when he confronts someone else. Nevertheless, I do believe that confrontation with Saïx showed a insight on how he works internally when he's in that position, and he just cannot think clearly when he's cornered, or feels that he's trapped, and has no other way around it. That, will lead him to the available choice provided for him: run like the wind. Ultimately, that would work against him. He might not be a berserker, or fights on rage, however, we have seen him angered when in a fight, that being in the second, and last, Roxas battle with him. We didn't get to fully experience it, yet, he does have his temper, and there's doubt he's as calm and as cool as he is made up to be.

I actually like that weakness in Axel, because not only does it give depth, it shows he's not as perfect as people want to paint him as, so he's more real as a character.

As for Roxas, the way you keep placing him in would be the same way that you defend Axel in that, just because he is shown to be enraged, doesn't mean he's like that in every battle. Point blank, we have never seen Roxas head to head with someone with a clear mind [the only time we have done so is the inner fight with Sora, which was executed very gracefully, and precise, and had flow. He "lost", but, it showed how he can work without fury leading him]. Most of the time, in the fight with Riku, he was angry, with Diz, he was angry, and in those times, he did have a reason to be. I can see where you might be headed, yet, we haven't truly seen Roxas in another situation, so placing him that he's all about power is debatable as of now. I'm positive the boy is more than "RAWR!SLASHHACKSLASH!" [or in ICSP's terms, "LEEROOOOOOOOOY JENKINS!"], or else, he would've been defeated long before, and would not have been praised as he is. We'll probably see Roxas more focused in 358/2 Days, where he's more into his own, so to speak.

In the end, and how Axel is, not the "what if" [that being, if he had more power], Roxas does win in terms of a fighter.

Goodness forbid, Axel also hasn't mentioned enough how impressed he is with his best friend. Awwz =3.

 

Axel is definetly better at fighting, though Roxas can take him.

 

Well Sora beat Roxas because of his ability to bring back his keyblade to him and Roxas hesitated for a moment and Roxas just accepted his defeat. In a manner of fact Roxas does run away from his problems such as he was running away from the dusks when he turned against the organization instead of facing them heading on. So he can be a coward at times and not this very serious keyblade fighter.

Of course Axel wouldn't admit if he was defeated because he has pride and it may be a selfish motive to him and make him feel weak and he would hate that. Either way he still has more experience than Roxas and some can call it a favoritsm battle or not, but he has been recruited longer and mastered his element and experience and motivation, and instincts tops everything than lacking too much power over someone who carries a keyblad and slashes with it.

 

Axel pwns hands down roxas' lil' stature and lack of an element just makes him less superior to axels flames and chakrams

 

The only reason Roxas stood a chance against Axel is becuase he had two keyblades.

 

I agree two keyblades are better then one plus I think axel was going easy on him being that they were best friends

 

For real, if Axel used that attack he used to get rid of all those nobodys with sora, they would have to call it Organization Twelve Instead

 

i would say Roxas because Axel.....had a hard time kidnapping Kairi who is a non-fighter. and then later on he said "she got away from me!" and i was thinking "how the hell did he not succeed in kidnapping Kairi?!"

 

I feel the fact Roxas beat Axel and Sora beat Axel its fairly obvious he can't really beat Roxas or anyone really.

Having an element just means you have an opposing weakness due to it.

 

I think if Axel really tried he'd be stronger - I mean, look at his kamikaze (sp?) attack.