Kingdom Hearts II Is Axel or Roxas better at fighting and why?

I personally think that Axel is better at fighting. Why? Because he can use fire and he has better control of his weapons than Roxas does. Plus he has better moves...like turning the floor into lava!

 

yeah u're right, but also roxas, could use magics, but he hasn't experience....

 

im gonna have to take axels side on this one

 

well nomura said roxas is the 3rd strongest org member after Xaldin and Xemnas. so im pretty sure roxas is better. Also, roxas beat axel, while he was still regaining his memories...remember, if it were CLOAKED roxas vs axel, axel would be gone in a heartbeat.

Edit: haha...I didnt realize I made a joke...nobodies dont have hearts...

yeah i know..not funny..

 

i hate saying this but roxas.
1.beat axel when not at full strenght like said above
2.3rd strongest in org like said above
3.is freaking super hard in fm+ when you fight him(i do not own fm+,but have seen vids of the fight)
4.TWO keyblades own pwng
5.is a very good fighter as seen in cutsences

 

I think though Roxas may be 3rd most 'powerful' he's certainly not as skilled as some of the other Org members. Also, I don't really get how Xaldin is second most powerful because Space or Time would kick wind's ass. I am not sure who I would say is better at actual 'fighting' between Roxas and Axel. Axel was pretty decent at it even if his element is weaker than Light. Roxas is very aggressive as a combatant but that doesn't make him one of the better Org fighters out there. Light just is a very powerful element and he's in your face. If you can get around his hostile fighting style with a level head, Roxas doesn't seem that hard to get around. Axel is more a thinker so I think he could technically be the better 'fighter' even if he's weaker.

 

Exactally! Axel can also dissapear within his flames, making him harder to track! This is a good fighting stratigey. Since he is more expierienced and has more cordination.

 

Im going to have to disagree with that...its true axel is cunning, but hes not a "thinker." thats Zexion's job. Axel is more of a freelancer. hes unpredicatable. you cant tell how he'll fight in each of his battles. In fact, all of his "Sora fights" from CoM were playful, but the second roxas vs axel, axel was enraged. I'd say that he fights more based off of feelings rather than thinking. even when sora was fighting in "betwixt and between" axel said "dont ask, just do it!"

Axel also has an assasin way of fighting. that means he cant fight, or cant fight as well as others because of the fact that he usually kills in one-two moves, or runs and hides (Vexen vs. Axel, Saix vs Axel).

It is true that roxas has a strong element, but hes very "in your face" because hes extremely fast and tough. The best thing axel's got on him is endurance. However, roxas not only can dual weild the strongest weapon in the game, he can weild it better than his somebody.

 

Axel is very much a thinker. He totally outsmarted most of the Org at the Castle Oblivion. He's quick and can think up things on the spot. This isn't to say Zexion isn't, but it's also clear Zexion wasn't really 'a fighter' by choice. Axel clearly did not want to fight Saix and wanted to do his own thing. Also, Roxas isn't a very strategic fighter at all. He just goes for the attack. The only reason Riku 'lost' the first time is clear that he was trying to take Roxas alive and uninjured while Roxas was being a maniac. Riku totally kicked his can the second fight and still kept his cool before he changed to Ansem.

As I said, I think Roxas is stronger, no doubt. But I think Axel has more brains and knows how to use what he has better than Roxas knows how to use what he has. Roxas also isn't a better fighter than Sora as it's clear that Sora in KH2:FM has to obviously -beat- hiim to go on and does so. Roxas was tough but not that tough to be considered better than Sora or Riku.

This isn't to say that I don't think Roxas can't beat Axel. However, Axel threw the fights both times he fought Roxas. The first time was to just mess around. The second time he was told to kill Roxas but Axel of course refused to. He had to make it look good though, just as he had to lose to Sora and make it look like he 'died' there in CoM. So really, they've actually never had an all out battle where one was going to live and the other die. I do believe Roxas is the stronger opponent and can take Axel, but I also think if Axel planned for it, he would know how to get Roxas because of the way Roxas fights and if Riku figured it out, I think Axel could too.

 

Why does using Fire make him powerful exactly? Fire doesnt exactly make you strong.

Depends on who was playing roxas ^^

4.Sora beat him with one..having two has nothing to do with pwning.All that gave him was style points.
5. He got it from Sora xD

And what if there werent any flames,like in Castle Oblivion,what would he do then?

The organization never expected any betrayal,since they thought they all wanted the same thing and would work at it. They caught on near the end,but it was a little late for that.

And Roxas has beaten ppl 50x over before they memorized his strategy,Sora doesnt have the power or surprise in his abilities as Roxas did. Sora wins because of the player.

 

I find it hard to believe that Axel is a thinker on the battlefield. Ill agree he does form plans and sticks to them, but most of HIS fights (not the ones Marluxia commanded him to do) hes emotional. Even his death was emotional. One would think its hard trying to make a plan while attacking out of anger, or sadness or even wanting to be with a friend. Even during the 2nd Roxas vs Axel fight, Axel screams "you wont forget this!" and even before that, he lost his cool, creating the wall of flames.

He might be more agile, but in terms of "using" what he has, the only things Axel does with his chakrams is throw them and set them on fire...
Roxas can throw his keyblade, shoot light out of them, swing them like swords...not much more than what Axel can do with his weapon but Roxas wins that round...
Ill agree that Riku can beat Roxas, but I'm skeptical about Sora being able to. In the game, where you fight Roxas in TWTNW, Sora killed Roxas while Roxas wasnt paying attention...I mean, if someone figured out how to sneak up on xemnas, and shoot him point blank in the head you could "beat" him...but that doesnt make them stronger...

Ill agree, but anyone can plan how to attack someone and have it be successful if their plan is good enough. And I dont think Axel is capable of grabbing Roxas and hoisting him in the air while squeezing him...O_o

 

I do hear the points being made and though I do think Roxas is very formidable, every fight he's in he declares he's winning and is a berserk in combat. He really doesn't seem to think but go for raw power and just pulverizing things. I see him as being the 2nd most powerful out of the Org, but really don't think he'd stand up to some of the better combatants of the Org itself because of the way he fights. Having said that, I don't see Axel as having much of a chance versus Roxas in an all and all out fight unless he really does outsmart Roxas and make him tire out. Axel does like to 'spice' up a fight and have fun with it but I do think if he -had to- be serious, he would be. He is considerably weaker than Roxas. Roxas, after all, wields Light and he uses it plenty. So yes, I do agree Roxas would have a much higher chance to defeat Axel.

However, the berserk fighting style he uses can be countered. Riku knocked him out even before he decided to change to Ansem and Riku also the first fight chose to retreat and rethink his strategy the first fight because his obvious goal wasn't to harm Roxas, as recovery time would slow Sora's own recovery time and ruin the plan. Even though Roxas was yelling in the second fight he was winning Riku, he missed Riku's whole strategy and Riku used Ansem in the end because his goal was to take out Roxas without harming him immensely. Roxas's strategy is to mess people up and that's about it. It's also why Sora could beat Roxas in KH2:FM and the 'victory' of Sora's in the game after that fight feels almost as though Sora got robbed in a way but the lesson again was that Roxas's berserker strategy can be overcome by using brains as well as brawn. I don't really think Roxas could go against higher level fighter Org members and win if they can avoid his attacks and last him out. It would also be Axel's only hope though he's down notches in power, of course, so his chances of victory are less. I'd still say though that Axel probably knows how to use what he actually has better than Roxas knows how to use his powers to a strategy. So I definitely agree Roxas is the more powerful out of the two, but I just think that Axel has actually more brains in his fighting and all even though brains won't always take a fight like that. Riku clearly had the advantage in fighting Roxas because he has the raw power but also the brains so he wasn't lacking anywhere.

 

Are we speaking of the Roxas without his memories,or the one WITH his memories?

If in the KH2 battle you mean,there wasnt much intellect needed to fight Axel.All he had to do was defeat him,he couldnt run,he could hide,he couldnt do much of anything ,but jump away from his attacks.and when you think about it,that's actually a strategy,,

 

No way, the one with his memorie wouldve kicked his butt.

 

That is clear,but WITHOUT his memories is what im on atm.

 

It seemed even with his memories, Roxas was just a berserker. Of course, that is a style of fighting too, but as said, some opponents can get around it if strong enough and patient enough just as Riku especially, but Sora as well did. Both the fights with Riku and Sora, Roxas had his memories and still his fighting style was the same.

Axel is weaker so yeah, he'd probably lose unless he really had something up his sleeve. Being in martial arts though, I have had to fight 'berserker' style people and really it is just a matter of strategy and getting them because they haven't got the best defense when they are all offense like that. I do agree Axel would most likely lose to Roxas, but just think also that he's smarter than people are giving him credit and if he could fight 3 times and leave people thinking he was dead, he knew when to fight and take off at least. He also used his abilities to hinder characters combating him and to confuse. It may not work on someone like Roxas so easily but other opponents sure. When I say I think Axel is a better 'fighter', it doesn't really mean I think he's more powerful or would win Roxas necessarily. It means he just seems to use what he has, though limited, in more productive ways in the fight.

 

Hhm well, i dunno even without his memories Roxas still has alot of Sora in him, it would be possible to defeat Axel.

 

I agree because his fighting style seemed the same and instinctive. The only difference really was a lack of a Keyblade, which once he acquired both Keyblades, even without sufficient memory, his power was boosted.

 

He was a berserker back then because he did not have any memories of old attacks he could have used.He got his old weapons back at the last second.

And he really didnt gain magic abilities over time as Sora did,so all he could do was go on the offensive.

 

The point that some of you are missing is that I'm not asking who is more powerful, I'm asking who do you think is better at fighting. I chose Axel because he has more expierience, he can come up with plans on the spur of the moment, and he is better at controlling what was given to him.