Insane people?

What do you think about when you hear someone has a mental disorder or illness?
Do you believe they need more care than other people? THey are capable on their own? Do you think they should be excluded from society?

 

Depending on how bad in the head they are shows whether they should be excluded from society or not. If they're sane enough to not endanger either themselves or others they should be fine enough to stay. Obviously some people with mental illnesses need more care than other people, but that's why we have hospitals specifically for them.

 

Depends on the nature/severity.

 

I'm talking about any type of severity or disorder, obviously though extreme cases can incur a greater disability on someone than a minor case.

Some examples of disorders include:
Anorexia Nervosa
Schizophrenia
Multiple persoanlity disorder
Bipolar disorder
Sever depression

Really i'm asking: 'Do you believe those with mental disorders are less capable than a normal person?'
'Do you think people with disorders are dangerous, or stupid, unfit for modern society?'

You mean like little Mental disorder camps that people should be sent to if they don't act like the norm? or do you mean something else?
And do you also mean that everyone with a mental disorder should be taken care of by 'sane' people?

 

I don't think that by telling me someone has a mental illness will change the way I see them. It's injustice and wrong (to me, anyway) Why should we judge people based on their mental capacity. Honestly I think this is something that needs to be taken into consideration. Hate bringing up old wise words but, "Don't judge a book by its cover". I would never abandon someone just because they have anorexia nervosa or schitzophrenia. You really think that its nice to have people turn their backs on you because of your mental state? (hint:hint: It's Not.)

Citizens of communities who have severe mental conditions should be given a chance in life. Rejecting them won't help them understand/if they can understand. Sure, I guess really severe conditions are sometimes dangerous. But shouldn't you be there to help these "insane" people through tough times? Why back away from a situation that can be resolved or treated, in this case.

I hate the fact that your giving these mental illness people names like "insane" and "stupid". Your being pathetic, all of you. Sorry if I seem blunt and abrupt, but my brother is autistic, so go figure. People who are diagnosed with mental illness can sometimes be some of the nicest people you get to ever meet. Are you trying to say that people with a mental illness should be kept out of society? Your being ridiculous if that's the case.

I understand that some people with the extremely severe case where they need 24 hour guardianship need to be delt with. And by that I mean being treated correctly, not being insulted or abused because of the state they are in. Yes, some of them do need a lot of attention. But isn't that what we are here for? To help others as well as ourselves?

No, I don't believe that people with a mental illness are a complete danger to society or should be kept away from "sane" people. In the end, I believe we are all just a little bit "insane".

 

I'm not here to offend anyone. I myself have been diagnosed with mild Schizophrenia. I wanted to know how people see someone who suffers from a mental illness, like the common misconception of being dumb or insane.

It was why I asked the question, since most people would believe someone like me to have a 'split personality' or be a potential sociopathic killer. Misconception is the main problem when people look at peoople with mental disorders.

 

Oh damn. Dude, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you in anyway either.

I realise that sane people do call other people with mental illnesses dumb/insane or stupid. Just because some has a mental disorder it does not give the right for other people to call them a potential siocopathic killer or have a split personality. Yep, I agree with you on the misconception point you made. It is the main problem.

 

I'm rarely offended, this is a discussion section after all, it's where we can be as honest about ourselves and our opininos as we can.

In 2008 in America alone, it has be estimated that over a quarter of the population suffer from some type of mental disorder ranging from phobias to mood disorders. It is a wonder that with that many people, misconceptions are still so common.

 

They need help, so they don't hurt themselves, or others. But they are still people, they don't need to be excluded.

 

People with dissorders do need extra care at certain points. I would still not exclude them because at some point they will outgrow their dissorderly behaviour, and they could show potential of keeping up with their curriculum/job/career.

It does bother me to see them in the positions they end up in though.

 

Well I have a few major mental disorders but I'm able to control myself for the most part. Yes I do have those moments of insanity but that happens when I'm alone. So I have to fly to Germany to get myself checked out seeing as it's so rare and there's someone there who can really help me supposedly. I wasn't able to control it very well 5 months ago but now I got a good grip on it.

I personally don't like using the words mental disorder, it's more of people who need help. Like how depression is a illness, I find that ridiculous that people call it that. So I guess emotions like happiness and love are illnesses too.

People always look at the person with the 'mental disorder' as a freak which I think is just wrong. We're perfectly normal but we just have our share of issues like everyone else; we just handle it differently.

They claim that I got mine through the emotional pounding I've went through my life which I guess is somewhat true. You look at a guy from the army come back and seen a lot of death and 2 of his friends died. I'm like that only with 138 deaths and a whole bunch of other disturbing things. I can still function like everyone else I just have these emotional slips once in a while.

 

Thank you, I had a hell of a long rest off the site, guess its nice to be back, like a new start or something.

Anyway, on topic, I understand what you mean Hippie J. 'I am still a person, not just a disorder' is pretty much how to sum up what is being put across, just because someone has a mental disorder does not mean that is who they truly are, same as someone with a physical illness, like Stephen Hawking for example, said to be the greatest mind on the planet yet is one of the most handicapped of all great people.

 

I know it mean to think like this but I kinda think ... nevermind... I'm not gonna say anything or people will just get mad at me.

Are we including special eds...?

 

Those who need special education may or may not have mental disorders, majority of them do, but a few just aren't capable of learning on their own.

And please say what you believe, mean or not, it is a discussion area for a reason as long as you are not hateful in your explanation.

 

Metally handicapped is not the same as somebody with an illness.

 

Fact is, we don't want them around. "We only want to help you" is our ticket to lock maniacs up forever. Should we allow every citizen who hasn't committed a crime loose? Nope, we expect shrinks to predict if a citizen could be "a danger to himself or others". We don't lock a mentally sane person up cause someone predicted he was more likely to be violent. No, that would be vigilantism.

 

If someone has a disorder, he/she is not insane. I have yet to meet anyone in life that I cannot pinpoint and say they have a disorder of some sort, and some people manage to find their niche in life -because- of said disorder even, or they learn to become very cognitive and think of ways to cope on their own and use it to their benefit. We all do have them, and the only reason some are disorders is because they don't fit into regular life that people lead today, whereas years ago no one would have cared or noticed.. or even thought to complain because life wasn't the same. The only other reason they are 'severe' enough to be disorders is some people are really extreme with how bad the disorder can be. One person with ADHD may be totally different from someone else with it. One person may have a mild disorder while someone else can be really consumed by a disorder. I would not call anyone with a disorder insane, but instead the person may need assistance in attempting to gain control of the disorder and their lives by either switching around their lifeway so they get a job and pattern that works to where the disorder isn't such a factor that stands out and makes the person awkward, or that the person needs help adjusting to the environment he/she's in better. Sometimes this may require medication and sometimes not. Sometimes people repair themselves on their own even. The option for help should be there and for extreme cases, it should never be a doubt.

As for mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and other mind altering illnesses, well, these take some more focus and effort. These people really do need medications and assistance and as long as they are not a harm to society and are diagnosed and can be assisted, I see no reason why they can't be out amongst others. The dangers really come when people with mental illness are not diagnosed or misdiagnosed, or they are not monitored when given medications to ensure that 1. the person is taking them and 2. the person that takes them does not have a violent reaction to them. It's important to note that any drugs taken for mental conditions are things that mess with the chemistry of the body, particularly the mind, and that anyone on medications should have someone around who knows the person regularly so that if they display awkward behavior, they can be helped immediately. If they have no one around, the doctors should definitely be seeing them more often than some will, so that progression or degeneration can be monitored and these people can have the help they deserve.

And PAW, Schizophrenia is not a disorder. It is a mind debilitating disease that can be quite problematic if left untreated. >.> But, I should say it's nice to see you around again. Been a while.

So who should be locked up? Only those people who are actually hostile to others should be in places where they can receive care but not be out to harm people. I don't consider this so much different than the thought we don't want criminals out who are overly aggressive, child molesters or rapists, etc. Quite a few criminals actually are people with mental issues and some can be addressed while others cannot. I think anyone, of course, should have the rights to go to a psyche ward should they need it because anyone can have a severe enough traumatic event in life that crumbles the person for a time, but the only people I feel that should be put away from society are those that simply cannot endure in it or those that just are a risk to other people's safety.

Also, some people confuse mentally handicapped people and toss them in with mentally unstable people. There are some handicapped people that yes, can be rather volatile and aggressive and so they do need help and to be not out with others because they or others can be hurt. However, mentally impaired people due to things such as cerebral palsy, down's syndrome, etc can grow up and also be amiable and able to co-exist fine in society and even uphold part time jobs. I have worked with some of these people and yeah, some just were not very nice but others had found a freedom in being able to live in apartments and work part time jobs and be able to shop for themselves etc. The same holds true for those who have received brain injuries. They might not be the same as people remembered them before but many do not simply want to be tossed into homes to be forgotten about and they have a right to be able to do something as long as they aren't going to hurt anyone and can live alright with assistance.

I think in the end, it's important to not punish people for simply being 'different' and though I know some find it hard to accept the person who may drool while eating, or the person who is hyper and talks 90 miles a minute, or the person who has aspergers and now and then says something cruel and doesn't realize how bad it came out, the person who stutters and loses his place in a conversation, or the person who can't seem to look you in the eye and doesn't talk much, etc. Putting a person out of society should be a choice for the person's safety and happiness as much as for other people's safety and it should not just be made lightly. I can say some people have greatly upset me with how they will view some other people and say they shouldn't be out amongst others, as if they wish to hide these people even exist. I think that's a true shame.

 

No, they're not all dangerous nor stupid nor unfit. Some can function really well, as long as they are given tasks that befit them.
Also, sometimes treating them like a "normal" person is the best way, depending on the nature and stage of the disorder.

 

I believe that you can only clasify someone as having a mental disorder is if they are unable to function in normal day life because of an emotional or mental state.
Also it's not as if those who suffer disorders also suffer the disorder for the rest of their lives, recovery is possible, treatment possible. Though it may take a long time or a short time to recover, it usually does work, the main concern is a relapse, where you may suffer the condition again. Most who sufffer severely also aren't able to cope, suicide isn't uncommon for some people.


Repliku, i'm glad to see that your skills at writing indepth and usually enlightening speeches has not damperned since i've been away. I'm a little rusty on the debates, but hopefully your speeches will get me back into gear! ^^

Btw, I believe that schizophrenia hasn't been concluded as a biological illness, not purely anyway, enviromental factors are also a great impact on people developing schizophrenia aswell as the inheritance factors. I think it can be considered as both a 'disease' and a 'disorder', though. Still i'm no expert on the matter, merely a student.

 

Not true, at least not where I live. Trust me on that.