In this video: a guy who doesn't get women at all

Oh man this video

 

his face is so punchable

 

2 on 1. That ain't fair.

 

Well the dude did say he's OP

 

What an ass.

His last point makes sense tho. Those kinds of people aren't gonna care about a viral internet campaign. They need to be raised to understand that this is not ok.

 

this was physically painful for me to watch

 

these type of videos do nothing but feed my ego because i've never thought to do that type of thing and it doesn't make sense to me anyway


so that must make me better than people who do


right? that's how it works, right?

 

This ****ing video. This ****ing ******bag. The mere sight of the thumbnail makes me want to punch my screen in the hopes it will go through and connect with his stupid face.

'Why don't you stand up to them then? Tell them no?"

And then the women tell him that women have been killed [ and worse! ] over such things.

'lololol carry a gun then'

How about you go jump off a cliff?

 

What thing? Cat calling?

If so, then...yeah, you are better than people who do that, in that specific way at least.

 

That man has a very punchable face.

 

i actually had to stop watching omg

 

"I'm more of an expert than you and I'll tell you why. 'Cause I'm a guy and I know how we think. More than you guys will ever know. I can't get in a woman's head, any more than just like, thinking about it. But I'm a guy and I know why these guys do this. The bottom line is this, ladies. You would not care if all these guys were hot. They would be bolstering your self esteem, be bolstering your ego, there is nothing more that a woman loves to hear than how pretty she is."

So in the same paragraph, he states that women just don't understand why guys do this because they aren't men so they don't know how men think, but that he knows why they don't like it because he knows how women think. XD He does realize that, right?

Pretty much, I just heard a bunch of excuses from him for everything she said. Excuses, and contradictions. He says that he doesn't have to listen to what they say because it was probably staged. When she says that staged or not, it's completely accurate, he agrees and even admits "we all look," which tells us that he looks. Which makes it personal. For women to say "we don't like this and want men to change" is fine, they're "standing up for themselves." But when it's him personally that has to change, well, then the excuses roll in.

"If you don't like being cat-called, quit your job, sell your house, say goodbye to your family and friends, and move somewhere else. Doesn't matter if it's totally unreasonable and inconvenient. Better than me keeping my mouth shut tomorrow when I walk to work. If you don't want to completely uproot your entire life, then just speak out and stand up for yourself. Doesn't matter if fifty guys call you out and it's completely pointless to waste breath and time to say "Hey, I don't like that, so keep your mouth shut" when nobody's gonna listen and all that's gonna happen is you're drawing even more attention to yourself. Better than me keeping my mouth shut tomorrow when I walk to work. If you know how dangerous it is and you don't want to risk getting hurt or killed like the girl from detroit, than carry a gun. Doesn't matter if it's a hassle to get through all the permits and paperwork and if it costs money and if you have to spend money and time on training to learn how to use it safely and properly and if it's not generally accepted by the public to be the kind of person who carries guns or if you don't believe in carrying guns or any of that stuff. Better than me keeping my mouth shut tomorrow when I walk to work. If you point out that all of my suggestions are pointless and that I need to change, tough luck. Everybody else is doing it. Nobody else is gonna change. I blame my parents anyway."

Pretty much, it's just another example of "I'll do what I'll do and if you don't like it, suck it up and move on." lol, that's all I heard. XD

 

Is it wrong that when the woman said a woman got shot in Detroit for telling a man who was catcalling her to shut up my first thought was, "Well there's your problem, she was in Detroit."

 

I think a big issue is what exactly constitutes "catcalling." Is it any kind of unsolicited compliment or is it limited to strictly sexual comments? Does it have to be harassment to be catcalling or can it be done in good taste? Alternatively, is it only catcalling if the woman dislikes it? Can it only happen to women or is it at least theoretically possible for men have the same kind of experience?

And I'm not saying that it's okay, but if a woman's biggest problem is that men compliment her without her consent too much, she needs to look at how much worse too many other women are being treated. Women in lower classes are being raped and killed every day and you're doing a segment about catcalling? That's not feminism. That's exploiting feminists' passion for their cause in order to get them to watch your show and make you a quick buck. I'm pretty sure there's a term for that, but I can't be bothered to look it up right now because I'm so tired.

That said, I do hope the situation gets better, if only because I don't want to feel like a creep when I compliment a women in any context. I really want to be that friendly guy who can walk down the street and be all like, "Mornin' Janice, you're looking good today! Hi miss, nice shoes. Did you get a haircut Mrs. Davis? It looks great on you," but I can't because I'm constantly afraid that I'll be slapped or charged with harrassment for it. But that's the world I live in and I belong to the class that made it that way, so I'll just have to deal with it until the majority of men get their acts together, which probably won't ever happen because let's face it, the women and men with the power to change it will always have more important things to work on.[DOUBLEPOST=1416135427][/DOUBLEPOST]

To be fair: Having any woman, hot or otherwise, compliment me on my appearance would be a massive boost to my self esteem. For people in general, not just women, hearing how pretty/handsome they are is pretty high on the list things they love to hear. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason I can think of why women aren't the same is that if they like it then society will call them ****s, which is a bad thing to be for some reason. The two biggest problems about his argument are (a) that he's assuming all men are like him and (b) that he's stating his assumptions about women as facts rather than assumptions.

 

you heard it here folks. 2 khv users can't be wrong.

 

You know, this guy made a shitty argument for this subject, we can all agree to that.

In fact, this guy has zero idea about much of anything

That said, I hate this entire video and have hated it since it came out. There's a line in there from the woman in the middle where she says that men should basically cater to needs if women are uncomfortable (hold on and keep reading, I'm not an idiot). In the argument she's making about this situation, she's absolutely right. If women are made uncomfortable by cat calling, you shouldn't cat call. Simple as. It even goes against the point of the cat call so what the hell guys. However, what she said keeps being taken out of context and applied to other forms and I can't stand it. I can't stand it keeps coming in to discussions with no place, and I can't stand that people are now pushing a narrative that women should have their needs catered too. Like, no one should want that. No one should quote her saying what she said because it sounds super weak and pathetic.

Like I said, in this argument, it makes sense and she handled herself well. It's people taking it out of context that are just... Ruining it. Ugh.

 

I've been cat called before by women, years ago. I took it as a compliment then, because I had such little respect for myself that any attention paid to me in a way that was about how attractive I was, I took openly. Now that I've matured, I actually get why cat calling is an issue: it's basically a way that people degrade others to just being attractive. It's totally fine to compliment a person if you actually are in a situation where you and the other person has established some kind of pleasant conversation, but to do it to someone who's just walking down the street and probably didn't even know you existed until you said that they're attractive, is bringing attention to them in a way that we have to start realizing people don't always want and shouldn't have to just deal with.

So...less about hating the actual video, more about hating people not understanding what a good argument is like, right? Like, I get what you're saying, but I don't see the video itself being something to have issue with.