Illegal Immigration

People who illegaly come into a country work twice the hours, twice the effort and don't complain about their job because they are trying to feed their family. While normal people work as little as possible because they can feed themselves and live more pleasently and the reason they moan at immigrants is because they know they won't have a job if immigrants are doing better than them.

 

I don't blame them. The thing is, though, that they need to become legal, or else we have problems.

 

even though it was wrong what they did, butthere are SO many that if all of them would get deported, a HUGE chunk of tradition, working energy, and that will be a really bad thing for this country.
so the idea that i came up with is to close the borders, secure them, and give the ones here some kind of permit that will allow them to work, live, and have some kind of health insurance IF they have done taxes, have a clean record, if in school, passable grades, know English, have worked for 5 years
BUT something that the ones in DC cnt think of... DON't make them leave the country!
if that "law"is passed, close to Nobody will leave.
also making them pay ridiculesly (sp?) amounts of money will also fail... not many have enough $$$ to pay the fine.

what do you think of my idea..?

 

ok bumping this because i want to discuss. anyways, i believe that illegal immigration is bad. because of the fact that it simply breaks the rules. tho, it doesn't seem to be as enforced for illegal Canadian immigrants for some reason as it is for immigrants from Mexico. i think the illegals SHOULD be penalized.

 

Uh...no. People complain because if illegal immigrants work for corporations and accept under the table money people lose jobs and also taxes are not being paid.

Illegal immigrants work for cheap and under the table. We lose money in two ways which most people seem to ignore. When we work anywhere, we also lose some of our money to taxes and also we owe income tax. Our taxes go to funding those who cannot work, are disabled, and those who must use welfare and social security amongst other things like our police force etc. Our tax money goes to work for us, so if we are paying it and they are not, they are screwing us over considering how many of -THEM- get government aid because we hate for anyone to starve to death.

Next, corporations have grown accustomed to this behavior, and bringing in these illegal immigrants for half wages or less. Why should ANYONE get partial pay for work done? If they'd just go through the process of legalizing themselves, they'd get full benefits but because they support this system they get screwed along with others and let corporations continue the abuse.

Illegal immigration is wrong. I do feel bad for them, and think the Immigration laws ought to be less demanding and well, cost less for them to enter the country, but at the same time, they should use the system. They are -illegal- for a reason. They are costing people a lot of money, using our welfare and benefits from taxes AND not paying taxes most of the time. It is out of the kindness of our hearts we let this go on. Because of their burden and not putting anything back in the system but helping a corporation make a quick buck, we are actually being drained more monetarily.

Also, who are you to say that WE here don't work hard? That is really a biased point of view. I have always worked hard as have my relatives and countless others who want to eat. The economy is crap right now and we are all suffering. Yes, they work to be here but people have to stop thinking they work -harder- than others because it's simply not true. Corporations abuse them if they are. In the end, the illegal immigrant is getting what he/she wants at probably 5x the cost of what it would be had they just gone through the procedure to become a U.S. citizen, if not more than that. They are being taken advantage of and what happens when they get injured? These people go to our hospitals and guess who pays? We again do with higher costs to go to the hospital. So we can't cover all Americans with health insurance etc but we should pay for higher rates for drugs and medical visits because of people here illegally?

In the end, we are all getting shafted including the illegal immigrants. I do think the system needs to have an easier time for immigrants to come here LEGALLY but illegal is illegal. Any illegal immigrants should be forced to become legal or get out so that they can start earning wages they should have, they can pay taxes and be a part of our country like any legal immigrants do. That is the reason it is wrong. We all are getting screwed over except the corps that continue to let them come in and work for money under the table and then don't cover them when crap happens because of course the benevolence of the American people will take these people and care for them regardless of the scenario while we can barely care for ourselves with the failing economy and the fact we are in a Recession.

 

What do u mean they should be penalized?
look they came here for a better life
im here legally but im human enough to understand why they illigaly came
do u think they like being illigal?, cuz they dont
they r doing it as their last hope
i hate it when ppl like u talk bad about them for no reason
y dont u put yourself in their position for once?

 

I'm in the northern area of the US (Wisconsin), so I don't get much immigration to hear about.

As for the basis of the idea itself, I very much disagree with people just barging into the country. It's like a father/mother that just barges in on his/her kids whenever they want; it's just annoying and in the end causes nothing but trouble. But like Spitty said, I agree with the encouragement of easier work permits and the like. If we can promote benefits--nice, clean benefits--for people moving here and legally abiding by becoming a 100% legit citizens, it would make things so much easier. Sadly, it's easier said than done.

However, things like the border itself, is another story. I think we should do what Carlos Mencia said a few years ago, "build a super fence." Or at the very least, create mines around the border so that when people come in they get blown up..... Okay I'm just kidding. xD

Ohh, a very interesting and surreal idea would be creating a barrier like the one they had around the house camp in Lost. If you get to close to it, you get electrified.

 

i do not know what penalty but they need SOME kind of penalty. other wise EVERYONE is just gonna do it. i'm not suggesting we kill them or anything but i was thinking more of a fine. i was also thinking of a one time event? like a 1 month amnesty month where they have a chance to become legal with no questions asked but that deal is not longer good after the month. but they still broke some rules there has to be some kind of penalty.

 

oh ok
the penalty is that they will be deported and they cant legally leave their country again

 

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From what I read about the Mexican border, it is absolutly impossible to get across other than illegally. You need a lot of money to do so legally, and most people can't afford it.

They should be able to stay if they're following the law and everything, because there's no possible life for them otherwise. And most people actually don't "abuse" their immigrants. That's slavery, not illegal immigration.

 

Its not that its hard, its that many people are impatcient and can not wait to get across and since its is really easy to get across just by taking a hike through the desert. And I have hiked these routes people take, they are difficult but they get you across quicker than any other way. And these people can't wait, personally after researching this alot more, I think its a better idea to make the standards for getting a working visa much easier. Because then people can get that work here and then go back home for like 3 month of the year, while working 9 months on. Its seems much easier, granted I still don't think that many people jumping the boarder will be down for this, because they still have to get papers but it may help solve some of it. Now I think there will be more because Mexico/U.S. is making it harder to get back in, as in my trips down to Tijuana during weeks will be stopping soon, I used to go down once a month but not anymore because of the hassle.

 

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is that the current punishment?

anyways, i can see both sides. but my opinion is even though the majority of the people are following all the OTHER laws and are good people, they still need to be penalized for breaking the rules. if the rules aren't enforced then, there really is no point to having them. i think we should make it easier to become legal, i think that's the right approach but i dont' know TOO much about this subject really. but if we figure out someone is illegal, they do need to penalize them.

 

The way to fix it in my opinion is to make it easier for people to have access to become citizens, make work passes available to those people and also if someone is illegal after the amnesty period, to send them home. I'd give an amnesty period to those already here of 2 months or something, and if people are caught, they get sent home, and then the new system could be implemented to help those who come here.

I know people are running away from some very harsh and horrible conditions, but also they aren't making any changes where they are at either. Heck, how many of our corporations have moved to other countries? I can sympathize to a degree but 'illegal' still is illegal and even if we lessen restrictions, or money costs, some of these people may still do this because corporations will make it look good that they should. I do worry about the conditions they face too as whether legal or illegal, they are still people. At the same time though, it is hurting everyone that this happens except for the businesses who hire them. They get rich while everyone else suffers.