If your Gay You die?

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  1. Cherry Berry Chaser

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    Thats true. I'm a catholic, but I don't believe in hating Homosexuals. I believe that loving someone from the same sex is the same as a straight relationship, and plus, as I read on magazines, ''Its much better to love someone from the same planet. Males= Mars, Female = Venus. They would understand the other's feeling more than a female can 100% understand a male.''
     
  2. zexykupo Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Yeah, I'm catholic too. When our teacher told us it was wrong, I was really shocked and so angry.

    ZOMFG, my 100th post!!!!!!!!
     
  3. Cherry Berry Chaser

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    My R.S teacher is more of a realist. She believes that gays should be equally treated, as they too are humans with feelings. If I heard my teacher say it was wrong I'd never go back into class.

    Congrats on 100th post xD!
     
  4. daxma Hei Long: Unrivalled under the Heavens

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    Yes it is confusing but if you come to understand it, it is an excellent point of view.

    P.S: Congrats on going premium Cherry.I forgot to congradulate you in my PM.
     
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    Because there are are countries that are non-secular and believe in religion and government operating hand in hand, we see this issue. People are raised to believe homosexuality is a dire sin against God. We have people in our own countries in Europe and North America that believe this is true as well, but fortunately we try to keep them out of our governments as much as we can.

    When people are raised with ideologies that something is wretched, the people who follow in that mold are going to suffer, sometimes in the worst ways imaginable. We can be thankful that in our countries we have studied homosexuality more to come to understand it better than just as being a 'sin' against nature and God. What people there won't see is that it is not a sin against nature at all as there are many animals that have shown homosexual tendencies and some even take in youth that are abandoned and raise them up just fine in pairs. We can understand this because we have a more open society that does actually get people out there to study and examine life as it runs its course. They will not.

    So, yes, while I frown upon the notion entirely that gays are prosecuted, paying fines, spending lifetimes in prison or even dying, there's not much that can be done about it until these people realize what they are doing is wrong and hideous and a crime against nature, whether their God disdains homosexuals or not. If I had the way, I would certainly do more such as trying to buy the freedoms of gays in these countries and move them to more free-thinking areas to give them citizenship etc so they could have better more fair lives. We still all have our issues but any homosexual from one of these other countries would certainly say it's wonderful in comparison.

    Treatments of homosexuals are not all that is wrong in Africa and some middle eastern places. There are also women who have horrible procedures done to them which are very cruel, some at birth. Girls in some areas with no choice have their clitorises removed to make sexual tendencies prior to marriage not likely to happen. Also, some girls have worse done to them which absolutely prevents them from having sex until surgically the practice is removed. Basically this is all done to prevent girls from not being virgins and they belong to one man when they are married off. However, again, until these people can be made to see that tradition and religion is wrong here, they will stand by it and consider outsiders as ignorant. Cultural local ethics go on anywhere and we can be thankful ours are more free in regards to women and homosexuals. We still have our own fights of recognizing equality when it comes to rights but it's good to realize there are other places that are not the same. Some have been doing these practices for hundreds if not thousands of years. Opinions won't change over night but we also have to regard their rights too.
     
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    Just plain sick.

    It's been like this for years, centuries maybe. I really think people should just get over themselfs by now. Everyone think you'll have to be perfect or be get rid of. Even if it's something small, I see this kind of crap every day. They are humans, not freak or anything. What the hell gives people the right to judge people by their sexuality? Why is that any of our bussiness anyway? We should just mind ourselfs instead of going out to judge others. And being killed for that? Now that's is just wrong. Even being fined for it is bad. Nothing's changed... It's just plain sad of humanity to do that. Sure poeple can shun someone for their sexuality because of reilgin but that's no reason to hurt them. So what if they think it's an act against god... Whoever said god hated that? Well now I'm going to stop rambling...
     
  7. zexykupo Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Our religion teacher say it's wrong because man and woman are meant yo be together. Why? Because they can have kids or something? Bulls***! You don't even have to get kids in a marriage! And you can always adopt!
     
  8. TheMagicalMisterMistoffelees Professional Crazy

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    Well of course it's wrong for people to be punished for those kinds of things. Unfortunately, there are countries out there that have ridiculously over-controlling governments, and speaking out or being yourself there can get yourself killed. We who live in other countries are very fortunate, although many of us take it for granted.
     
  9. demonchick25 Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Homosexuality should not be considered 'against religion'. The way I see it(from a religious point of view) is that god created people to love, and that's all it is, just love. What's so wrong with that?
     
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    i'm gay and proud! Also known as the GAP :D
    We should all b equal no matter what! we are all human beings
     
  11. demonchick25 Hollow Bastion Committee

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    exactly^^

    and there are many US states that allow same-sex marriage. This is why i refuse to say the Pledge of Alligance in school because it's a bunch of lies >.>
     
  12. BaseSebastian Kingdom Keeper

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    Catholics don't look too kindly at Homosexuality, but then again, there's the whole entire fact of: Respect of Life.

    In some countries, or so I hear, you can be put to death because your mother doesn't want you......>>......<<.....One of the countries names is disclosed at this time. But seriously, killing or life-long imprisonment is wrong for a person who's only crime was not getting enough hugs from Papa, eh? *Methaporically speaking with that last part.*

    And to the people who know me on this issue:
    How does this post sound compared to the last ones I've done. You see, I'm now the President of a Youth Group, and that sort of gave me a "Rabies Shot" as it were. Catch my drift?
     
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    This is just one of the reason why Catholicism is ridiculous.

    In my opinion, love is love. It's not something that you can control, or stop, so why even try? You don't have to sit down and watch two men or two women making out, so why should you care or oppose it? I understand that people traditionally think of marriage as something between a man and a woman, but sometimes you need to break away from traditions and start some of your own. To reject something because it's strange, awkward, or anything else of the sort is just ignorant.

    I'm appalled that in other countries people can be killed for their sexuality. Why is it that killing is wrong, but if it's in the name of God, it's completely okay? Too many wars have been taken because of religious beliefs. Too many lives have been taken because of religious beliefs. If I went outside and killed someone, then when I was put on trial said that they were doing something against my religion, I would be locked up. So why is it okay for these countries to do this?
     
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    "In the name of God"? Which God? Not my God. Not the God many Catholics believe in!

    You have your Jerimiah Wrights, and your other phony church officials who say: "This is God's will, that's not, and this will says that God will send you to Hell if you don't treat me like God! Believe in my opinions, and thou shall be saved!"

    Funny thing is, people actually believe those nuts and don't listen to the truths. Then again, I'm only speaking this way you can all ignore my posts and say I'm wrong soooo....>>....<<....Why am I even here?

    And is anyone besides me noticeing that this may not have that much to do with Catholicism than with other religions. And if Catholicism has anything to do with this, it can be assured:
    Those guys are a little cucoo in this head, yes?

    Ridiculuos...peh....that claim is ignorant, no offense.
     
  15. zexykupo Gummi Ship Junkie

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    I'm also catholic and I think it's totally okay to be gay.

    I also think it's stupid to say that a couple whom is not married can't live together. Catholics made up that rule too.
     
  16. Panda Face Gummi Ship Junkie

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    see, this is why bush doesnt belong! he was tryin to make it illegal for same-sex marriage! which is stupid. isnt it ur right to say if u wanna marry a man of a woman? i have a lot of bi, lesbian, and gay friends. whats the diff? they're still awesome ppl?!! my mom is against homo's, because she was raised that way. i mean, really! so she can get married for cash, but dudes cant marry the dudes they are actually IN LOVE with?!!
     
  17. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    There is a certain MLA (Member of the Legislative Assembly, the devolved government of Northern Ireland) Iris Robinson who publicly said that she thought that homosexuality was an abomination that she found disgusting and made her nauseous. She said she fully supported counselling for gay people as she considered it to be a mental condition which is treatable.

    She also says "The governments job is to uphold God's Law" which is complete bullshit. Secular government, god has nothing to do with it (none of them do). There were calls for her to resign and a petition sent to Gordon Brown for him to admonish her.

    However, as her husband is the First Minister it appears nothing has been done. She is a Born Again Christian and says that the attacks and criticisms against her comments are anti-Christian bias and have hidden agendas. However, her comments were the equivalent of a hate crime and there are several legal cases pending against her.

    As you can see, even in countries where it is currently not a capital offense, there are still plenty in government who would like it that way >_> (However, she did say that she "loved the sinner but hated the sinner", which is no excuse). Also, considering homosexuality has only been legal in the UK for 26 years we haven't got very far =/
     
  18. BaseSebastian Kingdom Keeper

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    Peh..."Born again Christian." If I were paid a hundred dollars only in the times Born again Christians actually understand anything about real christianity, I'd be the poorest guy on earth.

    Bunt, I can see where you can't take that person seriously, but there's nothing wrong about Christianity. There's just some people who just skim through the bible going on, "Hmmm...something about some King David.....Something about some guy called Jesus........Something about some guy named God......yeah....mhmmm........Ooooooh! Something that can be taken offensively and can be scarcely attached to my own personal opinion! I LOVE THIS BOOK!" <,< That one actor from a show I can't remember the name of....I dunno, it ran on Disney Channel back when George Bush was first becoming President.....was a born again Christian, and was a total pain on the show to the rest of the cast because he kept makeing remarks on how "dirty" the scripts would sometimes be. Then, when they did a reunion movie for the series, the actor had actually seen the light and wasn't a pain anymore. In fact, he was sorry he hurt the cast so much back when he was a teenager.

    I mean, the first time I read the section of the bible that somehow "abolishes" Gays and Lesbians, I didn't know what it honestly meant. Either something was taken out of context, or the people who translated the original put in their own personal opinions. Remember: The Spartan Army was feared generally because they had a strong army of men who loved each other, and fought so hard as to "show off for their lover". So, it's not very unlikely alot of people hated a strong army with Gay people in it. *Cough-Other countries against the American Forces-Cough*

    Unlike Abortion, which is totally wrong because it destroys life, Gays aren't really all that much hated by Christians. *Cough- Other people who have admited to not being against Homosexuality on this site and are also Catholics/Christians.*

    Dude.....I've watched Chuck and Larry.....and in some weird, preverse way,....it sorta made me feel bad for Gays. Plus Kevin James and Adam Sandler are freakin' hiliarious, righ'?
     
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    There was also a pastor at a local church who supported her comments wholeheartedly. He fully agreed with her in every way. He said that no homosexual could ever be considered a true christian.

    There was also a lesbian woman on who was expelled from her church and never allowed to return. She was taken to a meeting with high up people and one of them said that seeing her worship god was an affront to him.

    Explain to me how these opinions are allowed to exist in religion, when they are such a threat to innocent people who just want to feel love.
     
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    I'm assuming this "other side of the world" is the Middle East. In the Middle East, they don't even let women go out without a father, brother, or husband to accompany them. And they kill homosexuals. The freaking president of Iran denies the FACT that there are homosexuals in Iran. And if anybody even commits a homosexual act, they get the death sentence. And it's funny because the same people who rage against the gays in the Middle East and riot against them are homosexual alot of the time. and their laws are that way because it's the same laws in the Koran (the Islamic book of prayer). The Middle East is generally Islamic. Laws, people, language. It's how it is really.
     
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