If you held the power...

Kill the devil? No way. Kill God? Quite possibly. God supposedly made and has control over everything. That simple fact and a look at the world around us justifies a choice to kill him.

The devil hasn't actually done anything evil. Sure, he tempted Eve. We gained knowledge that was restricted. He also tempted Jesus to take control via force. What a good idea! Why not endure a bit of quick bloodshed in order to have a holy ruler? Everyone would convert at once, and the world would be better. (assuming the bible isn't glorified fiction)

 

This thread is full of atheists.

 

This is of course if one refers to "evil" as a physical concept which includes the negative effects of simply being a biological organism and an intelligent, social one at that. I would say no, simply because there would be no proper way to stop these negative effects from actually occuring. It would be impossible to wipe out all disease as disease is not a physical concept but the cause of another organism itself. Compare it to destroying all of present human civilization; as long as the creators (in this case, humans) are still left alive, civilization and its rules and principles may still exist. This of course is only giving an analogy to diseases caused by the reaction from external organisms to which I am referring to. As humans still exist, diseases shall still spread as long as there are biological "holding points" for said diseases, in this case being the humans themselves. As for the other reasons; once again, as humans in general still hold opinions separate from their peers due to their own beliefs and nature, there will always be conflict of some sort. This would include the "evil" conditions of war and suffering.

 

stole the words out of my mouth

if war did not exist we would not have the protection of better guns/heavy artillery

 

Are you saying that it would have been better if Jesus had given in to Satan's words and become a tyranical ruler under the watchful eye of Lucifer? I mean the worlds pretty 'evil' as is, if we were ruled by the Devil , couldn't it get a lot worse?

I like both your ideas. However is anything in life truly black and white? Is there anything in life that is a colour, or are our actions just actions and nothing more?

Usually not seen as a great idea because humanity as a whole and as individuals are... dreadful in their roles as playing God. Giving someone absolute power is like giving a gun to a child.

I don't think that lack of emotions would halt life as we know it, hell it could even make life more productive. I mean think of termites. All different types from the Queen to the Worker have their jobs, they lack any emotion (anything proven so far) yet they are one of the most ancient species on Earth because of their effective and productive standards they have. Compared to a human office enviroment where alot of rumours, scandals, rejection, ignorance persist caused by emotional 'flares' between people. Alot of people hate their boss, which usually leads to minimal effort put in by staff, without the emotion they have for their boss they may become more productive.

I'm not quite sure how you centered the argument around disease, but what you say in general makes sense.

 

The factor of disease was supposed to be used as my primary example but I may have expanded upon it a bit too much.

 

Thank you for bringing this up, because I should have expanded the idea a bit more. No, our actions aren't just actions. They are tied to motives, beliefs, and desires that make it possible for life to be a continuous spectrum of colors. I doubt there is even happy middle, that middle being gray. I'm probably morally violet.

 

I liek the idea of life being a canvas of colours, it makes the world and everything in it a bit more lively and unique. Though the thought of moral dilemmas to me still seems as straight forward as Red and Blue, Black and White. I'd like to think i'm more gray in colour, but I always seem to end up as a more white colour.

 

No, because the Devil is what people fear, which is what keeps people humble.

 

Yes, it would have been better if we had a dictatorship under Jesus, because he has the power to enforce the rules by removing free will. Now imagine if the entire world were to be united as one nation without conflict. Done? Seem like a utopia? That's what the devil attempted to achieve. Let's view what god has done for human unity. He has scattered us, segregated us with skin colour due to one man's joke and cut off communication between us using language because we attempted to build a big tower. He is insistent on free will and only enforcing rules once we die, when it's too late to save ourselves from our fate.

I respect very little god has done, but satan has done his best to rectify god's mistakes by giving us knowledge of good and evil and attempting to unite humanity.

 

I actually woulden't for he is the bad and without that the good couldn't exsist. think about it...

 

I'm alittle stunned someone actually defended Lucifer. Wow.
Still, commendable truth to the point, I can understand your whole theory and your actually turning me over to your side, almost.

Still, I don't see the point in life if our actions were continually controlled by a god-like being who creates fear and sadness throughout the whole of the world because of the tyrranical rule he has imposed on us.
I mean God has given us free will, with which we have independence. CAn you imagine life where everyone and everything was exactly the same as each other? A carbon-copy of each other. Freaky to me. I love the independence we can have, yet still the want and need to be social and speak with others.

It's the real reason I can't think about 'killing' God. He has given us and sustained free wil, which gives us out uniqueness. THe Devil would want to creat a forced unity. History shows forced living together is not the best solution.

 

History does indeed show us that forced living together does not work. However, the rulers ruled by fear and thugs. This ruler would be able to simply remove free will, which would essentially stop all resistance once it starts. But please realise that by removal of free will, I don't want you to become a carbon copy of me. What I mean is more impinging on the right to free will. Imagine if anyone who though about doing something detrimental to society got a splitting headache, stopping them from carrying out their harmful task, or even removing the human concept for violence among ourselves. God allowed 9/11 to be carried out in the name of free will, as to prevent it would be to negate the free will of the bombers. In this utopia proposed by Satan, where the law would be an unbreakable law, like a law of science as opposed to a law created and enforced by imperfect beings (humans).

Feel free to think individually, but never against your ruler (who, being Jesus, should be of significantly higher calibre than your average US president) or your fellow man. Sure, you have lost some of your free will, but your quality of life would greatly improve due to human unity.

Currently, most people have already lost a good deal of their free will, and believe Satan to be evil, when really that's informed ability, and we've never seen/read Satan actually do anything evil. Yes, there is the torture in the pits of hell, but I view that as one of god's shortcomings for letting it exist. When that torturer gives a superb suggestion to improve the life of humanity, I see no reason to ignore it simply because it comes from that torturer. I think that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't. Granted, conflictions in the world may be hard and rarely to our liking, we need them. It's those same conflicts that allow us to develop our opinions. If there was no evil, we'd all turn into mindless zombies of God with no opinion. And I'm not trying to say that anyone that believes in God is a mindless zombie, don't misunderstand me. It's just that if we prove the Devil exists, that means God does as well. If we eliminate the Devil, then there would be no evil or "bad". Then, it's just all of us being the children of God. And people who still don't believe(obviously they would at this point), would probably just make a cyclical pattern and over time, a new Devil would be crowned. I guess.

 

Contrary to popular belief Satan's name is not Lucifer.
Here I'll let the sources do the talking for me.
http://www.godward.org/Hebrew Roots/Feature Articles/who_is lucifer.htm
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/LuciferandSatan.html

 

ahh someone finally caught that yes Lucifer is the embodiment of the inner evils of man which is what LaVeyan satanists worship and agree to not repress. Satan is the name given to the so called devil of the christian faith different being though baphomet is existant in both. also we are the devil when we die because we lived(devil spelled backwards).

 

Actually Lucifer wasn't a name at all but rather a description, meaning "light bearer" or more commonly "morning star". The term existed long before it was related to the devil and it was only in texts written later than the Bible where Lucifer was given as an alternative name for the devil.
Fun fact: lucifer is also the Dutch word for match(stick).

 

I wouldn't kill him because the cycle of death must go on

 

Beg pardon? Since when has the devil got anything to do with death?