Chain of Memories If Marluxia Won...

Like I said before, Axel was the wild card of the Organization. He had no reason to be on Marluxia's side. He only killed Vexen to get the other two to trust him. Plus, he gave Namine the opportunity to rescue Sora. And he was only loyal to the Organization until Roxas left. After that, Axel was in it for his own personal agenda: to keep Roxas alive.

 

I know that...

Axel posed as a traitor to gain Larxene and Marluxia's trust.

The only reason Larxene and Marluxia failed, was because Axel double crossed them. If he didnt, then Marluxia would have one.

 

Yeah but Axel would have always double-crossed them, so in the end the plan was doomed any way. There's no way Axel would have sided with Marluxia and Larxene because he knew their plan was folly any way. He was loyal to the Org to a certain level until Roxas left so Axel would never have worked for Marluxia but to do exactly what he did.

 

You do realize I meant, IF Axel was a traitor to the Org right? That is the only way they could win. Also, this thread is "If Marluxia Won..."

So yeah, Axel did doublecross them, but IF he didnt, the traitors would have won.

 

If Marly actually won, why do I get the feeling that Roxas would be the overall hero...

 

Okay, a couple of questions.

1. When did he say he was joining their side?
   
2. What possible reason would he have to join with the traitors in the first place?

 

Well, if Marluxia succeeded in taking over the Organization, he'd make everyone dye their hair two times a day, water his garden, and make cookies for him. ^^

Just kidding. xP Seriously though, Axel would have betrayed them either way, so the plan has no way of working...however, if Axel hadn't been trusted and not known of their plan, and they succeeded, Sora would be their slave, all because of his desire to protect Namine and their false promise. As their slave, Sora would probably be used to try to make the other members succumb to him, and if they refuse to listen, eradicate them. As for the Superior, I'm not actually sure if Sora would be able to defeat him alone, without Riku. Riku, for that matter, if Namine hadn't been released, then he would've died fighting Zexion's illusion of Sora, or always fearing the dark within him, as Namine (under the pretense of Kairi) was the one who helped him in that moment. So that would also leave Riku in shambles.

Aanyway, back to the subject of Xemnas, if Marluxia and his other followers (like Larxene and any other who decide to join him, and Sora) worked together, they might've managed to defeat him. But in truth, I believe Marluxia's goal is to overthrow the Superior because he feels that he isn't doing well enough to get hearts for all of them. That's just my speculation, since I don't see any other reason for him to wish to take over the Organization. Being a Nobody, he should not have any ambition, or other wistful feeling, other than a sort of 'desire' for a heart, to be Somebody. Thus, the Graceful Assassin might then proceed in using Sora to take more hearts for his own Kingdom Hearts, or use another method he thinks will bring them hearts. He probably won't bother anyone as long as they don't get in his way, or mess up his plans. Of course, this is all just a presumption that I'm not too certain of myself, since the game never went down this path.

Overall though, I believe if this succeeded, without Axel's interference, Sora would become Marluxia's pawn who would try to gain them hearts, destroying anyone in the way (if he can). Although it might be possible that if it had come to fruition, Axel might have messed up their plans again somehow, if he still cared enough for the Organization.

I actually find this subject, of if Marluxia succeeded, quite fascinating and I'm constantly wondering myself of what would happen. xD I almost wish that Axel hadn't interferred. lol​

 

1. He never actually said it... but strongly hinted it. It was when he was talking 1 on 1 with Larxene the first time.

2. Axel always looked out for himself, until he met Roxas. If he thought he could gain rank, he probably would have.

 

Ok, even if Axel let Namine escape then get caught by Marluxia, she would have to start from square one, but this time with Sora by her side. I'm sure Axel would ask Riku, Mickey, and DiZ's help even though we never seen Ansem the Wise's fighting skills. Sora, who is brainwashed thinking Riku is the replica, may attack the real one. Riku, who is confused from his best friend's reaction to see him, would probably fight back to snap him out of his thoughts.

It would be never-ending chain but it has been mentioned earlier that everything will turn against Marluxia.

 

Axel wouldn't get other people to take Marluxia, that would defeat the purpose of him being there... Rep.

If Sora did attack Riku, Riku would not fight back. Remember, he even hesitated to attack the Sora illusion, even when he knew that was fake.

I think Marluxia would have won if not for Axel. He is a logical person (all org members are), and betrayal is illogical unless you know you will win.

 

I see your point. But since Riku did let Axel and Namine go in FM+ when he was ordered to eliminate the Nobodies. I'm sure he would say his friend is brainwashed and wake him up.

True, he wouldn't fight back since he was too caught up seeing a familiar face after being alone for so long. But Zexion's talk before handing him the world card probably blinded Riku because he was fighting a battle of his own and didn't realize until he overcome his fear.

Both Sora and Riku are caught up in the illusion and beliefs displayed before them such as Replica and Zexion (for Riku's case) that neither of them were even aware the other is in the same building until Marluxia fade into nothingness. Just for Riku to see Sora, the real Sora this time, attacking him will confuse his mind.

 

Exactly. That's why I said before. No matter in what point you look at it, Marluxia's plan was doomed to fail no matter how successful he could be in the long run. It could be Riku teaming up with Mickey, Naminé, Sora in some way remembering Kairi, the Org., Larxene, who would've perhaps backstabbed him once they had power, etc. Anything could've gone wrong.

I think basically, with Marluxia, he simply wanted power. Larxene probably was looking for that as well, maybe for respect. There's a chance that they didn't agree with how Xemnas was running things and decided to act on it, but that wasn't the expression I got when seeing their scenes. We can never know though, and I hope in 358/2 Days, Nomura would cover more on that and their personal reasons for deciding on betrayal.

 

Marluxia also loves nature, his element is nature.

However, Xemnas apparently hates nature, his element is nothing, the antinature.

(Yes, I did just make up my own word!)

 

heh, this might be more of a KH fan moment but: THEIR WOULD BE MORE FLOWERS IN THE CASTLE THAT NEVER WAS!!!!

LOL

 

I have to agree with this. There's no way Axel would have just stood by regardless and if Marluxia was showing a dubious nature, even as Axel had not come out and shared his knowledge with Lexaeus, Vexen and Zexion right away, they were already questioning his motives early on. Axel just found out and got in the 'plan' of Marluxia's because Larxene gave too much away and so Axel did his thing. If odds were that bad, Axel would have gone for assistance anyway. I really can't see Marluxia's plan succeeding at all.

Also, Marluxia seemed to just want power, period. Even if he wanted his Heart back, he wanted the power and where Xemnas might have had some reason for certain things, Marluxia was in it for himself alone with no real ambition but power. Also, had Riku actually run into the -real- Sora, Sora did still have memories of Riku and I don't think Namine, even if forced, was going to try to force those last memories of Riku away because he would be all that could talk/fight sense into him and she would hope for anything at that point. She became braver towards the end so I don't think Marluxia could have forced her, even with threat of killing her. She did care a lot about Sora and was the one who lured him there in the first place, causing Marluxia to think he had the ultimate plan to get rid of the Superior. Even if Riku was torn, I don't see that Zexion could have -killed- him. Lexaeus failed and it just brought out Ansem. King Mickey would have arrived and I'm sure they'd have taken Riku out and all. Even if somehow Marluxia could have had Sora lock up Xemnas, (if they could actually get him while asleep), the other Org members would have been on that and Marluxia, Larxene and Sora against all of the other Org members...I don't think it would work out; especially since sooner or later Riku would also show up and King Mickey.

In that scene, it might have even made it possible that some Org members might have not been so bad if Xemnas were locked up and well, they decided to change some things and work with Riku and King Mickey to stop Marluxia. Ironically, it could have changed the fate of some of the Org members from needing to die. I am pretty sure though I can't think of a way that Marluxia could actually 'win it all' because there was too much for him to contend against. He assumed a lot to include others would fall in line if he somehow were #1. Taking out Xemnas wouldn't be the end of the other Org members.

 

If Marluxia won against Sora...(assuming that was the question, I don't feel like looking)

He'd avoid killing him. He would force Namine (by some sort of painful action) to collapse his heart, and rebuild it as he wished. Then with Sora completely enslaved to Namine, and thus to Marluxia, he'd use the Keyblade Master to destroy Xemnas and his whores. But since Marluxia wouldn't really have an Organization because Larxene is dead, then....he'd have to find some strong nobodies to fill the ranks. And we'd have a very lame game on our hands.

 

Either that or... he would fill the scour the worlds looking for the strongest of hearts, and build up an Organization of his own.


Bottom line, if he won Castle Oblivion, with Axel actaully being loyal too him, Sora as his puppet, and Larxene surviving, he would have defeated the rest of the Organization.

Riku would in turn have probably taken him down eventually.

 

But what about Donald and Goofy? Remember that they were willing to remember everything for Sora. And Marluxia wouldn't have been able to keep them as cards forever without Sora getting suspicious.

 

If his heart collapsed, he would be rebuilt to think Marluxia was a god.

He would probably think Donald and Goofy were summoned creatures.

 

:sweatdrop: Riiiiiight. But even gods aren't omnipotent and omniscient. Hades is an example of that. :p Donald and Goofy were there to keep Sora from completely losing his identity. And they knew that his "true" mission was to protect Namine. If they saw Namine getting bullied by Marluxia, Donald and Goofy would get suspicious. And even Sora wouldn't be THAT dense. Marluxia wouldn't be able to justify his actions against Namine, especially if Sora was supposed to be the one protecting her. As soon as Namine got beaten up by Marluxia in front of Sora, Sora would snap.

My point being that even if Sora's heart was rebuilt to believe Marluxia was a god, Sora would get suspicious eventually.