Kingdom Hearts I would like to know your opinion on the "riku/sora debate"

Oh jeebus weebus - biased cow round here, biased cow.

Can we roast him yet?

OI. DON'T MOCK MY FUN BIATCH! D:

Then there's a line? No, there isn't - leave that to the spectator.

In defense for those who DO support the pairing in a canonly manner, I will reiterate: Nomura said no pairings in KH are canon, so I am all the more influenced by the fact that it was all done on purpose for the idea of speculation. So in reality, Sora/Kairi isn't anymore canon than Sora/Riku. It's really up to how the spectator prefers to interpret it.

 

I completely disagree mainly it's just not my type of thing...

Just isn't rite...

 

Right, he said no pairings are canon...why? Because none have 'officially' happened. However, anyone that can't see Kairi and Sora have a budding relationship potential there clearly and that they are pretty much childhood sweethearts ...how can you be more influenced that they are not more 'plausible' future canon than Sora/Riku? I didn't see Sora wanting to dance with Riku or mentioning him as the person 'closest to his Heart' etc. He's always seen as his best friend. Show please where you get the idea that they are more than friends to any degree. Show where they are day dreaming of being with each other, wanting to kiss each other, wanting to do anything other than be the best of friends they are? It'd be far better than saying that just because Sora and Kairi aren't officially dating that Riku/Sora is just as canon.

As I said before, there's nothing wrong with playing around and hooking up people in either roleplay games or just for amusement and stuff, but why is it taken seriously? I see nothing really to support it. People could argue more for Axel/Roxas and well, I'd debate that too but it's a harder ground to stand on either way. Riku/Sora seems pretty clear/cut/dry that it is not going to happen but in a lot of fangurl fanfics.

 

Oh, because I can point out the troof? /: And I have more than enough of a life than I can take, thanks very much. C:

I'm sorry, but I don't appreciate the blatant labels you made. Especially since the creator of the thread asked to keep that sort of bs behavior outside the door.

Well, that and he says he likes to leave the speculation to the fans. Without singling out Sora/Kairi. He never confirmed whether Sora/Kairi was likely to happen or state per se if the pairing Riku/Sora was completely out of the picture either. Whatever you see and answer for yourself is "one way for it".

All I am saying is that interpretation is left to the spectator, and your opinion on the matter doesn't really make it any much more "real" than anyone else's. *I'm simply going to overlook your "Sorikai Troof" argument since this wasn't the point of my comment, and to be honest, I personally don't have anything to add seeing as how I view Riku/Sora as platonic in-game.

Saying that it's a "bend of the reality" is a bit of an erroneous statement, for it really depends on the person and how they see it - and I have read some fairly plausible/interesting opinions from others. And again, Nomura keeps saying these sort of subjects are left open for our own interpretation. There really isn't one RIGHT way for it.

*Maybe you skipped past my first post, but as for me I don't take Riku/Sora seriously from the game; like I said I only view it as platonic. The whole point of this comment was to point out the whole interpretation thing, and how everyone is entitled to their thoughts on the subject.

 

If it is a matter of 'interpretation' as you say, where's this evidence to support it? You also think they are platonic. So where, other than some fanfic that adds more to the story that wasn't there, is there actual evidence to support an interpretation that Sora and Riku are gay for one another? People keep saying they are this way but as of yet I have yet to see anything above fangurl/fanboi 'interpretations' which, I'm sorry, are very skewed if that's what is believed as reality. They can be funny to read and all but taking them seriously...I don't think so. There is no scene in any of the games done that shows anything to say Sora/Riku where as there are quite a few all throughout the games that show Kairi and Sora have some chemistry going on there. Whether it develops into anything remains to be seen, because as we've both agreed, Nomura said none of the relationship pairings are 'canon'.

 

Lol mind you, not ALL of them go about wailing interpretations proofless nor are they always "completely" skewed.

As far as interpretatains go, I'll let you have a look at some of the more plausible ones which were more metaphorical, "looked inbetween the lines" and genuinely well thought-out. I'm at school at the moment so obviously don't have access to my bookmarks (<_<) and ******edly enough, elJay won't work on this comp. /:

 

I totally agree with Repliku... Sora and Riku are best friends... nothing more lol

Sora/Kairi, while not 'canon', is DEFINITELY more realistic...

 

I'm going to throw your own words back at you on this one. "Deal with it."

Any pairing fans come up with is just for fun. They're not looking to harm anyone writing the stories or drawing the fanart. If you have a problem with it personally then don't view it.

That's one thing I can't stand. People who ***** and moan about Yaoi/Yuri relationships ruining whatever they game from. Well guess what?No one is making you view it but yourself. So you only have yourself to blame.

Nomura has stated that no pairings in the KH-verse are canon. I can see how that may change sometime in the future but as if this point in time there are no canons.

Besides...Sora's 16. I do not want to think about a pair of 16 year olds going at it. =/ In ANY way.

 

Well, I agree exactly with what Repliku said, so I can't say much...but truly, there really is nothing I see between Riku and Sora. They seem like best friends, and that is all. People with that relationship are close, but they don't have to be something more. Nothing is canon, although I think in once scene, someone had asked Sora if Kairi "was his girl" and he said it was...whatever that means, there's a possible relationship there...basically as what Repliku said. xD

 

That's a typical sycophant argument. Which leads to no good since they can usually be reversed, like has done our grande Fox.

I wasn't cussing anymore than saying the truth. I called you a biased cow because you ARE a biased cow - making labels, thinking we're all "homosexuals" and that we're "ruining" the game IS a bias attitude. That was from your own part, not mine. And I didn't appreciate it. Having views on the Sorikai subject is one thing, but doing prejudice on a "group" of people is something else. You said NOTHING about being grumpy. And your "being angry" point is totally invalid, seeing as how the owner of the topic simply asked for views on the Riku/Sora subject from other perspectives. Nothing wrong with that seeing as how this IS a forum, and a forum is meant for discussion. I don't see the angry part.

Sounding very hypocritical on the last part, I must say; about billiions of people having different points of view. You state "it's no use "destroying" yaoi fanfics" AKA had intent to interfere with our views. What do YOU care on the subject of yaoi? Most of the time, it's only done in good fun anyway. If you were REALLY respective of everyone's opinion you wouldn't have said that or even care for it.

Fox does a wonderful job at dealing with this typical sychophant comment:

 

@ GIIIIIIIIIRLZ : *nods* Yes, expressing an opinion is one thing... coming down on others just because they don't share your opinion is ENTIRELY another...

 

I don't care wether you like making gay fanfic. Look at the original comment I posted.
It says that I am not going to argue with you guys. I don't care what fanfic
you make up. I just said I wasn't going to argue. Discussion: over.

 

cowboyclucky drop it. If you continue with this i shall give you a warning. That goes for anyone else that can't accept other people views on this.

(to stay on topic somewhat)
I don't personally think there is anything more than friendship between Sora & Riku. Though i have grown to like the yaoi that people create about them. (lol, use to detest it XD)

 

Major spoilers in the post

Guys, what on earth are you talking about? Riku/Solid Snake is the true canon pairing of Kingdom Hearts! Lollol I know that Snake isn’t the game or even a Square or Disney character but he would totally be attracted to Riku’s hair! And that counts as canon! So we all must ship that pairing now and all other pairings are invalid. And all those who disobey will be shouted insults like “Sexist!”, “Homophobe” and others. :stupid:



Now, the rest of this post is actually going to be serious..

Where does he say that? Could you link please? I do remember him saying in the KH II Ultimania interview that he didn’t like to spell everything out for the gamers and wanted to leave room for their imagination. However, I don’t ever remember him specifically saying that no pairings were canon.

Although either way that doesn’t mean he didn’t intend a romance between Riku/Sora.

Nomura might have wanted a cute love story between Sora and Riku in the game but only kept it to hints and didn’t put anything too obvious in order not to put off parents from letting their children play the game or lose a large portion of the male fanbase (as yaoi and shounen-ai is mostly a girl’s genre). Alternatively, he may have no intention to pair them up as a romantic couple and therefore anything suggestive coming out of any lines and actions in regard to Sora’s and Riku’s relationship with each other would have been completely unintentional.
Sora/Kairi? Well, it's possible that the hints there could be unintentional with things like Sora imagining himself dancing with Kairi or Roxas calling Kairi “that girl he [Sora] likes”, I don’t think it’s very likely that Nomura unintentionally put subtext for Sora/Kairi unless he wrote the script really badly. Therefore, I think that it's likely that Sora/Kairi will actually properly become a canon couple in the future. However, he also might be tricking into thinking that Sora and Kairi are going together or might even change his mind about a Sora/Kairi romance and pair Sora up with someone else. You never know.

I don’t think it really matters anyway. A pairing that’s canon does not make it better or worse than any other pairing. Fan fiction should be about what you want to see happen, right? I think any pairing can work believably IC, although some pairings might be more difficult to write well than others, depending on how much interaction the characters had and how much they like/dislike each other (I’ve come across somebody who likes pairing enemies together because she finds it a challenge).

You like Riku/Kairi? Great, I like that pairing too! Axel/Roxas? I like that one as well. You ship Leon/Yuffie? Well, I’m not personally keen on that pairing but if you like it then more power to you! You ship Kairi/Max Goof? Very unusual, since Max has yet to appear in a Kingdom Hearts game (although I think he should but that’s another story) but if you can find a way to make it work, I’m sure it would make a very interesting story.

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Wow, this thread is just weird. I'm sorry if that sounds mean but seriously, there is nothing in the game to hint that they love each other. It's clear that Riku loves Kairi more than Sora does, despite Sora still loving Kairi. In the end I think Sora and Kairi will work out. But no gay stuff, no, there is nothing hinting at it except 14 year old girl's warped imaginations.

 

Very well said and I loved the sarcasm at points. I agree with what you've posted here and got a good laugh as well.

 

i don't think there can be any yaoi in a T rated game D:

 

I agree with many in this thread: Sora and Riku's relationship is merely a platonic bond, like two brothers who are close in age. They fool around with each other, but as Repliku said, they (Riku especially) seem to want to keep their hands to themselves, and they wish for other boys to do the same in regards to them. Sora doesn't seem to mind so much when he and Kairi are hugging, though, and (as many before me have stated), the reason Sora was on his knees for Riku was because there was a chance he was lost to the darkness forever, he was about to leave and Sora wouldn't be able to tell him what he needed to say, and Riku had been only God knows where for a year while Sora knew Kairi was save on Destiny Islands. Yaoi is fine, my friend loves yaoi, but I just don't think Sora and Riku have any feelings for each other, or at least romantic feelings.