I just heard something....

I was watching the dark knight as i got it on DVD.I wanted to analyse the movie and think upon the philsophies and thoughts of the movie.
it said something at the end that was striking and i'm begining to believe in it.
"People don't deserve the truth,they deserve something more...they deserve to believe,and for that belief they should be rewarded".
There are other philosophies within The Dark Knight but this one is one that needs to be said with all the God debating.I might talk about the others within the dark knight at another time.
Now i'm beginning to feel that we who do not believe in god shouldn't impose the truth on others because as people they deserve something more than truth,they deserve belief.

 

I liked when they said this, because I feel it is so true. Belief sometimes gives people more hope then the truth, and hope can make a huge difference.

 

I didn't really remember that being said from when I saw the Dark Knight. But i've never seen an Atheist forcing a religious person into becoming an Atheist. I've only ever seen Johovise witness' and over the top Christians and Muslims inforce religion on others. Besides an Antheist may not even be forcing the truth on anyone, how are we to know whats out there, belief is all we have even for Atheists whos belief is there is no god and religion is wrong.

So people don't have the truth, they only have beliefs and always have.

 

they said it at the end of the dark knight.Look at the whether god exist thread and look at what some of the people who don;t believe in god are saying.I was one of them who constantly tried to disprove gods existance but with those words i realised that some of those people need faith and who am i to shake that belief with fact.

 

I think I understand what you mean now, how some people push their belief on others and call it fact when the line from the end of the Dark Knight meant that everyone would be better off being lied to than knowing the harshness of the truth, is that what you mean?

 

I would personally rather that people would be strong enough to survive on the truth alone, with no blind faith involved. But if other people are too weak then I suppose it would be too dangerous to shatter their (false) view of how the world works.

 

bunter thats a bit of a one sided and short sighted thought don't you think?who are you to make assumetions about peoplesw character when you don't know them.Sure it can make them do stupid things sometimes(e.g. KHSuperfan but he had the noob gene) but that doesn't make them weak and it doesn't make their view on life false either.Life has all views and just because you say that their outlook on life is false and you think their weak doesn't make it so.

 

I was meaning the people who, as you yourself said, need "belief" rather than the truth. I would rather be strong enough to survive on truth alone than have to fall back on a fantasy world.

Also, my view on the world is based on evidence (evidence which is real and tangible) whereas belief and faith are based on opinion. Which one do you think can be better described as "the truth"?

 

truth is a case of perspection.We all have a different perspection on life but those who believe and those who don't have significantly different views on the truth.

 

I understand what you're saying, and I agree with it. I'm personally not that religious, but I wouldn't ever force my beliefs on others. It's honestly just rude to do something like that. Everyone has the right to believe in something if they wish to, even though it may not be necessarily correct. For beliefs involving the unknown, like religion, I think everyone should be able to believe what they wish. Nothing's been proven, so why try to crush people's beliefs. I like to consider myself open-minded, and I wouldn't ever try to force my beliefs on someone else.​

 

The how can you know that "God not existing" is true? thats the same way as saying "God does exist" is true
Well to go with your point: Atheists probably shouldn't push their faith (in the lack of God) on other believers. but Believers shouldn't push their faith (in a god) to the non-believers or believesr of a different Godbut that would go against their faith to "save others"

Strong enough to survive on truth?
in my opinion, no one knows the "truth"
an example of actual truth is "that car is blue"
"God does not exist" i do not see that as true. I see it as opinion.
I can't prove God doesn't exist but i can't prove God does exist either

A scientific "truth": The big bang. Now correct me if im wrong, but it pretty much says that the universe started out as a dense object which exploded or something and made a bunch of planets/galaxies/universes/stars.
So if i put a watch in a box and blow it up, the separate pieces will turn into other working parts?
i don't think those parts will continue to work in any other different way at all.

 

To be perfectly honest, this has to be one of the most ignorant things I have heard in a long time xD Go research the big bang theory and come back when you have a better idea of what you are talking about :) (good starting point, it wasn't an explosion it was an expansion. The creation [or should I say, formation] of everything after that involved completely different and separate processes unrelated to the initial expansion)

If you have tangible evidence of something you know that in that particular instance whatever it was was true. As to your "that car is blue" that is not technically true. You may see it as blue, but someone else may see it as more green than blue. Again a measure of perspective.

There are no absolutes in the universe. But we can certainly take a pretty good stab (after collecting evidence at figuring out what some truths are that apply to most (if not all) circumstances.

Unfortunately it seems that if Atheists attempt to enlighten others to the almost certain truths of science they are beaten down as "trying to destroy others beliefs", whereas Christian denominations are allowed to go door to door and give out flyer's on the streets and even preach on the streets with no harassment. Bit/Incredibly hypocritical there.

 

Well my bad lol ive never believed the big bang theory so i never really researched it. but its pretty much the same thing. The universe started as a dense object which EXPANDED into the rest of the universe, i still don't believe that.




I agree with this tho, i'm Christian but i don't believe every single thing about Christianity and i do think its wrong that we can "impose" our beliefs on others but they can't impose theirs on us. Thats a fault within the people tho, not the belief

 

well i suppose SOMETIMES that false hope is better than no hope

 

"People don't deserve the truth,they deserve something more...they deserve to believe,and for that belief they should be rewarded".

I did not see this as necessarily a religious statement. I saw it more as in some people wanted to protect others from the truth that a guy who they admired and saw as a hero had changed into something that would have brought down their spirits as they were hoping for change because of what that man had inspired. To show he was a man with weaknesses and that he could be broken might make people go back to being jaded, when after so long they had begun to awaken and care about what was going on about them.

Religion is a personal choice and to believe or not to is that way. I do not know if I would say that hiding a truth is a good thing for me in particular, because I understand that we are all human and bound to make errors in judgment or even do some incredibly stupid things when pushed. I would want to know the truth because I could take it.

However, not to be down-talking of some people or to seem like I have a superiority complex but, some people can't handle the truth of what happens in some places due to the environment and circumstances being different from what they know. They can be very unforgiving, biased, fearful and full of hate when let down or shown that things aren't the way they expect them to be. Some people also break relatively easy from pressure. So, sometimes to keep the peace and hope alive after something tragic happens..well, you might just want to keep the bad thing quiet because it was dealt with and why cause extra pain to others who well, don't have your fortitude?

I'm torn on this though. I like to think that we shouldn't shelter people too much. The mistakes happen all the time with kids not being educated about things because parents fear it will make kids want to do the stuff etc. We have a lot of funny misconceptions and I do tend to love the truth to be out there rather than made up stories. I have a hard time lying and I don't tend to sugar coat much. Some people can't stand it and think I'm a jerk while others think I'm different and refreshing for it. I think knowledge helps people grow and become better. However...I suppose now and then, a decision has to be made to cover something up to let some people get by who would otherwise be devastated or fearful or full of hatred. It's a tough thing to decide on that extreme thing though that would make me want to do that option.

So no, I just don't see it as a religious statement at all. I saw it more as a philosophical, conscience issue instead.

 

Umm...I don't think that quote means religous belief. There are other ways to express belief in something, not just religon(sp). But hey, thats just what I think.

 

I know that it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion repliku and burnitup but i'm just using it in this case with all the religious contraversy.

 

Hmm, makes sense I guess.

 

Too weak? Quit being a jerk about your religion and gain some respect and dignity. It would do you good...

 

I don't have a religion and hence can't be a jerk about it. I have respect for those people who have earned it in my own opinion. There are many people I know that are religious and I have great respect for them. Heck, many of the people throughout history who I have great respect for were religious to some degree (whether this was just a front to allow them to fit in with their society at the time or not). As for dignity, I believe that I have quite a bit of dignity.

In case you hadn't noticed I did not say that every religious person is too weak to survive without their faith. Read what I say before you "pass judgement".