Birth by Sleep I can't believe I'm posting a theory...

But after seeing this video, I have to. xD

I'm thinking the significance of the title "Birth by Sleep" is something about how Ven was created. I think that like Roxas, he was never meant to exist. (hence why he says "erase me") Possibly a nobody, hence why Xehanort rambled something about memories. At that part where Terra talks about the darkness, I think he may have turned to darkness to try to help Ven in whatever it is he wants to do (similar to Riku in KH1).

As to why Ven looks like Roxas, maybe because at the end of BBS, Ven gets "erased", but an empty vessel is left behind. Since Roxas' creation was a bit unnatural in that Sora's heart returned to him so quickly, so... yeah. Roxas took Ven's body.

My facts are probably wrong...I don't really read interviews. xD;

 

But theres still the fact that everyone says Roxas looks alot like sora.

Why does convieniently the nobody Ven becomes looks alot like the original.

 

It's a good Theory and i think i know How Ven looks like Roxas.As far as i can tell When Ven lost his heart in the secret ending it transfered to sora because ven is his older brother.When sora lost and gained his heart he actually realised vens heart and that is why he looks like ven.The main reason i think this is because roxas shows human emotion and he needed some form of medium to tie him to the world.According to the Ansem reports "Roxas is a true nobody,He doesn't have a soul,a heart or a soul of his own.Without any of these you cannot exist at all.Those are the reasons i think Ven looks like Roxas.

 

There is no proof that Ven is soras brother.

And Ven looks like Roxas who aparantly looks like Sora. Its werid.

 

I don't read interviews either, I get most of my info from looking around the Internet.

But this is my opinion on this theory. First of all, it is plausible, but slightly unlikely that a nobody could exist ten years before Kingdom Hearts, because I don't remember the Heartless being as numerous as they were (look at the enemies in the trailers, they aren't Heartless), so Ven couldn't be a Nobody, plus, I see some emotion on his face in the trailers. The Nobodies don't have hearts. Roxas was created when Sora lost his heart, but it is strange how Roxas looks like Ven, when Roxas is Sora's nobody, and I don't recall Sora not knowing who Ven is. I thought Ven was a whole person? If he really was erased, wouldn't his body go with him? Oh yes, and I do agree that Terra would accept the darkness, probably to help his friends or something, however that does sound slightly re-used.

An interesting tidbit: Someone said that Nomura stated that Aqua, Ven, and Terra aren't related to Sora, Riku and Kairi (except maybe namewise, check out the meanings and you will understand). What about Ven and ROXAS?

Anyways, my info isn't 100% accurate.

 

Didn't Nomura say that there aren't any Heartless or Nobodies yet. That there's a new type of being.

>/ But I remember seeing a scan from a magazine of the gameplay and there was a blurry picture of something dark like a heartless but it wasn't a heartless.

and lol, Misty: http://www.kh-vids.net/showpost.php?p=1844948&postcount=65 Lines 3&4. xD;

I remember a bunch of us talking about the possibility of Terra using the darkness as a last resort against "Baldy" when the secret ending was first leaked out. It explained why Terra's eyes turned yellow at the end. And everone knows that yellow eyes are just malevolent as hell. xD;

 

Darth Sidious' eyes for an example. :star-wars-smiley-02

By the way, I remember in one of those Ansem Reports in KHII Ansem said that "The body is comprised of a Heart, Body, and Soul". We have faced the Heartless and the Nobodies (the empty bodies with no hearts). Therefore, I have come to believe the new enemies will either be lingering souls, or souless.

If they are lingering souls, they would be the remainders of dead nobodies, as the only thing they would have left is a soul. Oh great, fighting Organization XIII all over again?:nono:

 

I actually think that the new enemies will be related to memories. :/ What is the soul without memories? Nothing, I believe.

 

My opinion: If they are related to memories, then the enemies would have been in the past. Now that you think about it, it is plausible in a way. However, we have already visited a game talking about memories: Chain of Memories. Oh yes, and vice versa too. Memories need a mind to be in, so without souls, which at least have free will in a way, memories are nothing either. Memories can't exist without a mind or soul.

EDIT: By the way, souls can exist without memories, in fact most things can. Think of Roxas in KHII, he didn't really have any memories of his Organization past until his encounter with Namine.

 

:/ I know. The fact that KH CoM has already been done sort of squashes the speculation that the new enemies are related to memories. I suppose souls would be the next logical entity.

>/ But getting back on topic: Lol, Misty. Your speculation is sort of old. XD;

 

Teehee. I love squashing peoples dreams of new enemies. :p:p:p

On topic: ...I think I already stated my opinion a few posts ago.

 

If you may have read my theory you'd probably be able to fill in some things in your theory.

 

It is possible that he could have aged too, but, if you are talking about Ven turning into Roxas, then I don't think Nobodies can age. Plus, doesn't he freeze up near the end? Maybe he is defrosted, but again, if you are talking about the Ven turning into Roxas thing, I still don't think Nobodies can age.

I said that CoM involved Memories, and that if they make another story involving it, it may be slightly re-used, unless they come up with something out of the blue. Memories can be revisited, but I think we have already explored the concept thoroughly. Nomura should move on to another aspect. Logically, as HigherBeing stated, it would be soul.

About your theory, I don't think that Ven and Sora could be brothers, there is not much proof that shows that Ven knew Sora when he was 5. Plus, I think someone else said something about this too. It is still somewhat of a mystery to us of how Roxas looks like Ven, but the best bet is through the memories of someone else, preferably Terra, as I recall that Terra was an optional boss in one of the Final Mixes. As I stated somewhere else, When Sora defeated Terra, his memories could be passed on to Sora. But the only way that theory is of significance, is if Terra and Sora fought before Sora lost his heart.

 

I think that in erasing Ven from Everyones memories, Castle oblivion was created or used in some way.They might have used it or created it to take away the persons memories and the memories poeple have of that person but memories can never truely be erased just...hidden away in the depths of the Heart.Thats why sora doesn't recognize roxas as Ven because the memory is buried.The reason ven looks like roxas is in my theory on the next page.

We won't really know until the game comes out but i really think that they're brothers because i have compiled a bit of proof it's just getting the bits of proof together to form a theory.There are alot more hints then people can see with the naked eye.I think your one of the very people that can see those hints aren't you??

 

I read your theory, it is good, but it still doesn't explain how Ven is Sora's brother.

EDIT: Mind if you post the proof?

 

I've got alot of stuff on that subject,More than people actually realise, but i have alot of other theories which need sorting out first.

EDIT:I need to compile it first but i'll tell you one thing...That battle between sora and roxas on the station contains alot more than you'd think...

 

And you are finding this out from your theory too?

Interesting.

 

Yes i think it might apply to two different things meaning it applies to two different theories.If you look at my thread history in my profile you'll find a thread called"Nothing is what it's seemed" or something like that.It has my alot of theories in it that i think you be interested in.

 

I've actually believed some sort of this before this thread popped up, but its definitely making more sense now that I actually see it down on writing. It might be a little flawed, but I generally think its true.