homosexual rights in america

Sorry if I restate anything here I am way way to lazy to read half of it.

The big problem with the whole gay marriage thing is that people are not willing to except newer values and realize that the world has changed. Thats why you still hear things about race as well, just yesterday before the superbowl they were making a big deal about this being the first year that a african-american was refereeing the superbowl. Now people are so rooted in older beliefs, or at least much of the generation that makes these choices are the ones that grew up with a strong religious backgrounds. Now comes into play the idea of separation of church and state, now we don't have a national religion yes, but the people who are in charge and this is not just Bush so you can't put full blame on him, but much of the congress and house are as well (Or they were before the power change last year, now democrats hold the senate). These politicians bring their religious values into their law making choices.

Now me personally I would love to see gay rights enacted as I do have many friends that are gay/lesbian but also the fact that this wrong to say who and who can't be married. They state that marriage is between a man and woman, but they do not state that in the constitution only in the bible which no one will openly admit they are basing their ideals off of. So as for gay marriage we will have to wait until a newer generation is in power and are willing to acknowledge change rather than put up with this petty BS and intolerance.

 

well.....some things shouldn't change in my opinion. but in thsi case i think gay marriage is a positive thing. so i support it

 

Marriage is the choice of a couple, and it shouldn't matter who your marrying, its free will for a reason.
And a sin, it probably is a sin to relegious people, but to others probably not, depending on how they were brought up.

and whether I think if its right or wrong, well, I gueesed I just answered it. XD

But yeah if 2 people want to marry than I'm fine with it.

 

I'm Catholic, and it really bugs me when people say stuff like "I R CHRISTIAN. YOU ARE GOIN 2 HELL. CAUSE AH SAID SO!". It's not our stinkin' place to say wether or not someone is going to Heaven or Hell. That's God's job. Not theirs. Plus Jesus pretty much threw out all but the 10 Commandments from the Old Testament, and if being Gay was such a horrible thing, he might have mentioned it at least once, right? Never talked about it.

I personally don't care who dates who. Two guys, two girls, whatever. Love is love. They should be able to get Married and Adopt kids like everyone else.

The biggest part of being Christian is being Christ-Like. And Jesus was a pretty nice guy. So you should be nice to people, cause being mean is dumb.

 

The Bible also speaks that gay people are given into a mundane mind..... It says
that God completely gives them up..... A mundane mind is where a person comprehends things
backwards.... They comprehend that gays are good when the Bible really says gays are bad....
You speak with such hate, if someone says that gays are evil and its in the bible then they are
the evil one. Though, god destroyed Sadam and Gamorrah just because they were homosexual...
In Exodus it is called the hated sin..... Do you merely think that all the christians who think gays
are bad (98% to be exact) have misread the Bible? And YOUR DAD is the only one who read it
right..... Do you think we're making this up? You are truly lost in solipsism.......
The Bible said that in the end.... Homosexuality would be accepted.....

 

That's because the capitals of homosexuality were were literally annihilated. That seems to be a huge hint that God did not like it. But he also ordered that thieves get a hand cut off, so he holds all sins as equally bad. Jesus did tell people to love one another and this means that one ought not shun those who are deep in sin but help them overcome it.

Yeah but marriage is a religious ceremony that must not be corrupted for religious people. It is not fair to force them to accept gay mariage.

The end being when the anti-Christ (sp?) is wreaking havoc?

 

True dat.

Wow! I love this. Never seen it quite worded like that but it's absolutely perfect <3



As a general rule, people on here seem to be very accepting of homosexuality/bisexuality/transgender etc. It is such a great feeling to read everyones sensitive words regarding how they deserve equal treatment and all. You all are fab~

 

I don't think that God doesn't care; when in the Bible does it say, "I, God, hate you, if you are gay", or anything of those lines. God never really said anything like that. The only reason people say that, in a biblic perspective; they think that just because He told a boy and a girl to "fruitfully multiply". So what. Besides, when would God try to let his own people drown in fire within hell?

God gifted us with the Holy Spirit, and because of that, we have the power to go to heaven if we are babtized and if we believe in Him, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and everything in the Bible. Nuff said!

The only reason that God tried to annialte the homosexual people in that place,was the fact that they tried to RAPE angels!

You need to read the Bible. Also trust me on what I say, I learned this stuff at my school not to long ago; I go to a Christain school (specific: Church of Christ).

My school thinks it is bad to. That is why I don't hang around people like that and vote against kinda during arguments.

 

Marriage had been a concept around long before Christians or Jews were around. It's a union between two people to tell others that they are together and shouldn't be sleeping around. It was also a way for a man to clearly claim a woman and that no other man should want to bed her. If we really think about it, marriage has evolved because so have the rights of women and it's been shown enough that some men are not the best providers out there and in fact abuse women or run off to sleep around. Marriage has some ugly connotations to it so I don't see why it can't adapt to mean more and be better. It should be a union between two people that symbolizes both will be honest, loyal and giving to themselves. If that's a man and a woman, a woman and a woman or a man and a man, what does it matter? The symbolism is there that they are married to each other and should not be cheating with others. If anything, nowadays, marriage is a lot more fair to women, so I'm not seeing why it can't mean a happier thing for any couple that wants to devote their lives to one another.

In the end, it is not just a religious ceremony. It is a tying of two people by agreement that will jointly own a home, items and if they want to, rear children. It gives an environment of safety and that the two people give to making their commitment to one another work. If religious people want to get married under the premise of man to woman, nothing at all stops them. Their rights aren't being violated. They can marry away and do it 5 or 6 times etc, after divorcing. The people who are being denied the right to marry are the ones who have existed since the dawn of man kind, whether people want to think of it that way or not. Homosexual and bi behavior are part of human culture and just because some religious people see it as an immoral sin doesn't mean it won't continue to exist. After thousands of years of humiliation, deaths etc, and we are coming to an age of more tolerance and acceptance that people have different genders, skin colors, ethnic backgrounds etc...why are religious people condemning something when they can -still- get married themselves without repercussions? They are not the victims here. Also, as said, marriage was a concept before Judaism which is the first of the monotheistic religions. Christians should not hold a dominance on what marriage should mean for everyone. If they want to marry how they wish, by all means, that's their rights. We as a people can alter a concept to mean what we want it to. It doesn't change the fact that people can't still have ceremonies and religious gala and festivities etc. It doesn't make marriage any less of a beautiful thing spiritually. It simply means that some things need analyzed and adjusted to the time period we are in instead of thinking back 2000 years or even 50 years.

Religion should not stop the progress of humanity. That isn't what it's for, is it? There are a ton of other things that are really much bigger 'sins' than homosexuality. One of those is -cheating- on your spouse. I find that to be really a stupid thing to do regardless of if the person is gay, bi or straight. It is a vow that is broken and becomes meaningless. That defies marriage a lot more than two gays marrying to me. Also, if gays could be married it would stop some of the things that were happening all through history of gay people getting 'married' to straight partners and then going and having gay sex on the side, spreading STDs etc because of multiple partners. If someone gets married, there would be less of a tolerance for adultery in this manner. It would be near inexcusable. So is gay marriage worse than adultery? I think a lot more people get hurt by adultery and cheaters than they do if people are gay and get married, giving their sex lives to just one another. That's just my thought on it.

 

This should be the choice of the couple. People have the right to choose if they want to be gay or not, and let them make that choice for themselves.

 

The point is generally no-one chooses to be gay, they are born gay. They choose whether to accept it as fact or not.

@gijter: You speak as if being gay is a problem that needs to be overcome. I pity your close-mindedness. I feel sorry for people that like you, who will never get to know people because you have been brainwashed to think that they are evil or sinful for something they didn't choose.

 

It's not that sacred if I can marry a potato in Vegas for $100.

 

nice. you can do that?

Man, I don't know where you guys have been. It's supposed to be sacred, but the freakin government got in our way. no one can disagree to that, I'm afraid...

 

Exactly. People seem to forget that with the rise of Christianity in the CE, many things which existed already were appropriated into the religion. If memory serves me right, we have Constantine to think for that. Then with fear of damnation from an absolute power, His speakers (the clergy) imposed laws that everyone would follow, out of both faith and fear. Marriage is no different, and neither is homosexuality. Relations between men have often been the preferred relations of some societies, believing that love amongst men was more pure.

Then we have today, with a nation that was founded on the seperation of church and state, so the Bible should really have no say in the laws that we make. What then could be the justification for the banning of such a marriage? The preservation of mankind? Just because my neighbor is a gay man living with another man who loves Halford Harnesses, I'm not gonna stop doing my duty to the population. I don't see how allowing them to marry would affect it either. In responding to this argument in 2007, the Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance, a supporter of same-sex marriage, began a petition drive to place a ballot measure on the November 2007 ballot that would require opposite-sex couples who marry to have children within three years or have their marriages become legally unrecognized. Couples seeking a marriage license would also have to show they can produce children. The group admits this ballot initiative aims at calling attention to the Washington Supreme Court's decision in Anderson and the logical extension of this reasoning to childless and/or sterile heterosexual couples.

In 2004, there were 118,000 children available for adoption. Do we really need to have Homosexuals having children when there are still this many children in need of a loving family? Should there be only marriage for procreation? What about these kids, do we not care about them? I think we should take care of who is here now before we bring anyone else here. Some say that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to raise children, as they might "gay-ify" them. SEVERAL research studies have been done, and are being conducted, on this topic, and I'll allow you to find and look at them yourselves. Now for a quote that I really like:

"Promoting hatred and bigotry in the name of God is what destroys society, not the marriage of two loving people of the same gender." Raymond Miller, "United Church welcomes 'sinners'," The Toronto Star, letters to the editor, 2005-OCT-04.

"A loving man and woman in a committed relationship can marry. Dogs, no matter what their relationship, are not allowed to marry. How should society treat gays and lesbians in committed relationships? As dogs or as humans?" ~anonymous~

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: "...what two gay men do in the privacy of their bedroom is totally different. Unlike polygamy or incest, no rational person can argue that two men having gay sex is going to undermine the legal institution of marriage. Those that do are probably more interested in attacking gays than protecting marriage." 5 "Homosexuality Is A Religious Sin, Not An Ethical One"

 

I can see what your saying, but their are many Christian gay people, that still believe, respect and pray to a God that hates them, I believe them too be true Christians.
And about forcing Gay marriage onto a religion, I think that the religious leaders should start living in today’s world, they are homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, and whoever else counting in the millions. They need to start incorporating in the now and accept that people from the same sex can love each other and be happy together.

 

Very well said. I like the last saying as well by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. "Homosexuality is a religious sin, not an ethical one." Considering the fact marriage was around long before the three monotheistic religions and will be going on as it is a sign of devotion, commitment and love, we should consider those words. We live in an age where we are supposed to be garnering religious freedom and the right to be of what faith or lack of faith you choose.

I do think that since there are places which are very religious, that gays should not be allowed to marry in those institutions that do see marriage as a sin. That in the end takes away the rights of those churches, synagogues etc. However, I am all for gay marriage because if two people want to actually be loyal, loving, committed and work their lives together, then why shouldn't they be able to? I am sure in time there will be the option as well that some gays perhaps or those tolerant of gay marriage -will- let their churches be used to hold the ceremonies. There are also non-denominational people that may help out for those wanting a sort of religious marriage bonding.

Also, there are many children up for adoption and there is no proof, despite the fears of some, that gays raise children to be gay. I have known quite a few people that knew they had a gay mother or father and they are straight. Being gay or straight is more than just a preference or taught thing. It's just part of how a person is. There are plenty of animals that are also gay or bi. These animals, such as flamingos, have been known to raise young too.

I remember hearing of this and just shook my head. Marriage is not just about reproduction. Some people cannot even have children so why would they be exempt? Right...because they are straight. The most stupid part of this bill is that if it were to pass, gay couples would have to do polygamy to have a kid, wouldn't they? Polygamy seems a worse 'sin' to me than two people who decide to bond and get married. Also, it promotes unwed child raising, and the necessity for child support etc and more court family drama. You can only lose with a bill like this as it promotes more 'sinning' in the religious world, but in the really real world, it promotes more people getting hurt, upset and children being born out of wedlock, polygamy, cheating etc. They should just give it up already and stop playing around. In the states that legalized gay marriage, nothing bad has happened, they aren't harming anything and the only negative thing coming out of it is people who rally to try to make it illegal again. If these people would just go home and have some sex of their own, they'd feel better.

 

Excellant point Bunter and weirdly enough I'm jumping on the fence ready to decide to be gay and I do qualify with a lot of those qualities you mentioned, very few people who are prejudice with anything have those qualities they always have horrible qualities.

 

Well, I'm too some extenet gay as in "Well she looks nice in that colour." But nothing much. I do believe its wrong to make Gay Marriage and being Gay a sin. Its not like you can help it, you should be able to marry whoever you want ANYWHERE in the world. It doesn't really matter to me, it seems to me America's freedom and independence is disappearing, not even marriage rights. ​

 

why are you guys saying that sodom and gomorrah where only destroyed to erase gays?

sodom and gomorrah where the most inhabited place and had so much "darkness" there was actually no turning back , the place had so many dark sexual practices..........no ,im no saying that a gay person's sexual life is dark(it varies in opinion)

they had sexual pratices in the street ,with anyone ,in the bible it says , that when angels visited abraham in human form,the whole place came to "meet" them(if you know what i mean) they were destroyed because of their dark ,and inhumane acts, not because they were gay , they became a threat to other sane human beings and were destroyed for it,

VERY CRUDE , DONT READ IF YOU DONT ARE A MINOR..........

if someone ,straight or homosexual , does it in plain sight,and commits ,necrophilia, and does it with children,animals,women,men , family,in public , cannibal like sex?, without loving eachother,




do you think ,thats right? ,just tell me , more than half of the world's population doing those vile acts (sodom and gomorrah)
as if it was second nature, what example where they setting for the world, they where corrupting their children with all that and more.......if your child had to go with everyday life watching all that............


im talking gay or straight or whatever , sex should be something for the couple that loves eachother be it gay or straight.

god loves everyone, and he doesnt like his "children" to do wrong acts ,but even when we do it ,he still loves us, with his inconditional love .......was that explained right?

 

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

"Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved." (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

This is one thing though that is annoying. The Bible is written in a time when people did not know all that we do today so we cut them some slack. However, denying the thoughts and words are present seems like some people don't read it page to page. These are direct quotes. I never walk into a debate unarmed because what is the point? I can accept that views of modern Christians have changed most certainly because the age has changed and we are different. But the words were there. The Bible now is left to interpretation and people can take what they want from it. Heck, Thomas Jefferson pretty well made his own very abbreviated Bible way back when because he didn't buy much of the New Testament except for some of the morals Jesus taught. However, if he were alive today and we asked him if this was in the Bible, he would say more than likely 'not in mine, but in the original, yes'. I hope you see my point here. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but the proof is there in the very book. If you take it or leave it, it's up to you of course, but it exists.

If you believe that God is all about unconditional love and forgiveness of sins, that's your interpretation. You have every right to think so. Just why keep denying the very words there? Just say you don't feel the same way about it. It's an outdated thing or whatever. If the rock is yellow, it's yellow. Is the rock essential to your core beliefs? Maybe not, so it isn't something you have to focus on. But it -is- still yellow.